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[Shane]

Somebody stop me

[Mountain Girl]

I believe the "Constitution" reference is possibly a reference to the "Constitution of Freemasonry" written by John Anderson.

[Mountain Girl]

[Law of Five]

Just a bit more on the idea that something here sparked the new page. Assuming that developments here are driving revelations at the 13books site, I thought it might be useful to gather together some of the posts from around the time of the updates and see if the theory hangs together:

Shylilembrace was first to spot the new page at board time 2:10pm. She had posted just 16 minutes before about the Freemasons, so presumably the new page came up sometime around 2pm (GMT-7, so around 9pm GMT):
Seems to me everyone blames everything on the Masons hehe. They even blame Jack The Ripper on them.. (i have a book on him now ^_^)

No posts for almost an hour before that, when angel2k10 made another reference to the Freemasons:
along the mason line of things the protrator (compass) in the statue is also used by the masons.
http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemason.html
also this website has a description of masonic stuff. about half way down the significance of the number 13 to the free masons is explained.

And 2 minutes before that (12:57pm board time, 7:57pm GMT), Mountain Girl posting as Guest made the first Freemason comment in this sequence:
Oh, Thank GOODNESS! A plane crashed near our town and took out my internet provider and phone company's fiberoptic lines. I've been incommunicado all weekend due to this. I have come across an interesting common thread that keeps appearing during my search for the 1790, 1970, Thomas Paine, and Burke. The link between all of this could be: Freemasons. It appears I keep being brought back to Paine's "The Origin of Freemasonry" and to atheist sites. Now, If all religions are being represented in this game, then shouldn't atheist beliefs be part of it as well? Here's an example:
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/textfiles/famous.html

And yesterday, the first one to make a reference to the Freemasons was Moongazer (11:32pm GMT Sunday):
I don't know if this has any significance, but in 1790 Thomas Paine delivered the KEY from the French Bastille to George Washington, and on 10th August 1790 George Washington wrote to Paine thanking him for it.
Quote:Visitors to Mount Vernon will also see a key to the Bastille. On display in the Museum at Mount Vernon, this key to the Bastille is approximately six inches long and probably weighs less than a pound. Also, it is somewhat different in shape and, obviously, different in size and weight from the key presented to Alexandria–Washington Lodge.
It is most interesting that both of these keys made their way to this country through the Marquis de LaFayette. First, the key which now reposes at Mount Vernon came into George Washington's possession in 1790. In a letter to Washington dated March 17, 1790, LaFayette mentions that he is sending Washington a key to the Bastille. Washington's answer on August 10, 1790, acknowledges receipt of the key. Apparently LaFayette gave this key to Thomas Paine for delivery to Washington, as in a letter to Paine (also dated August 10, 1790), Washington acknowledged receipt of the key and thanked Paine for conveying it to him.
http://www.aw22.com/aw22/bastille.htm
I don't see any connection to The Red Lion, but it does seem to tie in with the business of the keys being delivered to the Cancer Shop, and also to mention of a key on Duckie's page.

So I need to do some more digging about Paine and the Masons now...

Law of Five

[Law of Five]

Warning to seekers after the codeword: it's very possible that the codeword we need will be in rot-13, as that's how the word 'constitution' was presented to us. Just a thought for those of us throwing words at the 'I found the key' box.

Cheers

Law of Five

[Mountain Girl]

Here is a site of "Key Masonic Words"

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1190/keyword.html

[kylegumby]

Has anyone tried a rot-13 of Ixl-Taan yet?

Straight-up Ixl-Taan is no dice, but maybe encoded?

[Law of Five]

Just wondering if this is the right approach... should we try to figure out THE WORD or just throw Masonic-type words at the box until one sticks?

Law of Five

[Law of Five]

naw, no go on 'Vky-Gnna'. Although I might try an encoded 'Islington'. Seems too easy, though...

Law

[Mountain Girl]

I've been searching for words related to "key" in masonese. Also, any direct link between "keyword, paine, burke, constitution, freemason,& symbols"

[Shane]

I tried all my previous guesses, in rot-13, as well as Ixl-taan (plain) ixl-taan (rot 13), and..no good. Sorry guys.

[Mountain Girl]

http://www.masoncode.com/Masonry%20and%20Cabala.htm

Very interesting.....

A
1


B
2


C
3


D
4


E
5

F
6

G
7

H
8

I
9
K
10

L
20

M
30

N
40

O
50

P
60

Q
70

R
80

S
90
T
100

U
200

X
300

Y
400

Z
500

J
600

V
700

Hi*
800

W
900

(* 'Hi' is an obsolete letter)
The Right Key?

How can we be sure that Agrippa's key is the right key? Once again our Masonic writers confirm it for us. "William Stirling" drops a hint like a ripe plum on page 153 of The Canon when he likens the Greek Orpheus to Jesus Christ:

" . . . the name ORFEUS has the value of 1275 . . . in the earliest efforts of Christian Art, it is not uncommon to find Christos depicted playing upon a lyre in the fashion of Orpheus. No reason is known for this singular impersonation, but the number 1275, deduced from the name Orpheus, suggests the reason why the two gods had a similar identity."

The number 1275 in no way suggests any reason why Christos should have a similar identity to Orpheus - at least not until we count the name 'Jesus Christ' by Agrippa's code. If we do, we find the letter values of his name sum as: 600 + 5 + 90 + 200 + 90 + 3 + 8 + 80 + 9 + 90 + 100 = 1275. It is quite clear that "Stirling" is alluding to Agrippa's code, and it is equally clear from the veiled nature of his reference that it must constitute an initiation secret of high degree Freemasonry.

[Law of Five]

I'm not sure that the key we are being shown is the one that Paine sent to Washington...

The one on the page looks like this:



which is pretty clearly the one from the Paine monument in Angel Square which appears to lack the notched parts on the end which turn the cylinders on the lock (there must be a word for these sticky-out bits - tines?):



The key to the Bastille looks a bit different:



From the BBC story about it being stolen and recovered in Australia:

The key is about 10 inches long, weighs more than four pounds and has a distinctive crucifix cut out of its wrought iron work.

There is a photo of a similar key here:



at http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~library/special/marquis/MarquisFindAids/keyenlarged.htm. This one appears to have a + and a * marked on it.

As you can see, it's kind of heavy looking.

The key on the page lacks the whole distinctive crucifix bit... so it brings me back to the idea of a code key being what we are after. I'm wary of going down the route of the Kaballah, as I reckon that way lies madness (everything can be connected to everything else if you try hard enough), but if someone would like to work out the letters which might be spelled out by 1790, that would be worthwhile...

I still have the sinking feeling that we're missing something REALLY obvious. The page is called Find The Key, the image is thekey.jpg, the previous page says 'keyword correct', which suggests the answer is on the page showing Paine... When we do hit upon the answer, I think we'll be kicking ourselves for missing it, rather than going 'yeah, that's clever'. This is really gonna bug me! Hopefully some of my ramblings will spark an original thought in someone else's brain...

Law of Five

[Law of Five]

(Read to end for the PSes)

Hey, That Dead Dude, if you're waking up in London soon: what is featured apart from words on the other sides of the monument to Paine? We can see a picture of Paine and the Key on one side (west) and then on the side adjacent to that there seems to be several ropes (?) bound together with 4 giant V-shapes. You were already kind enough to tell us the inscriptions, but what's the deal with the side we can see, and is there anything else on the other two sides?

Cheers

Law of Five

PS Re: the origin of thekey.jpg image. I'm now sure it's exactly the same key on the monument (the colours and shading are just the same), but the perspective is different and I'm wondering if Iz could have photoshopped it to look this way, or if he's been to Angel Square himself and taken a picture in person...

PPS Just double checking - it's probably nothing, but... where Iz has marked the image 1790, there is a dark bit on the monument, just below the end of the key. Is there a chance that there are any numbers there, even if they are hard to see? It looks like there's something there, as this area appears to break the flow of the waterstain which comes down off the edge of the key. It's a long shot, I know...

[Shane]

Jesus Christ is not the key. None of the numbers MG talked about seem to work,either.