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[Withe Bartbi]

This may be the cold meds talking (yes, Withe is sick and the cold meds are starting to kick in so expect a certain degree of rambling), but maybe we were just looking for the map and book zero at the wrong full moon. The instructions say to be ready on full moon morning, but it doesn't say which full moon morning. Maybe the next phase of Triskabiblios is spending our next lunar month (full moon to full moon) finding the way to Book Zero. We were all just so excited from the meet this weekend, that we thought the ball should be rolling as fast as the gears in our heads.

Personally, I don't think Islington would leave us out in the rain (so to speak) with instructions to a tea party in a part of town we're not familiar with 30 minutes before it begins. I'm sure he has it all planned out, and we'll find out in due time when and where we need to be.

Patience is the key, my friends. Maybe our little dormouse is just taking a nap before he gets to the big story. Of course, let's just hope we don't have to wait at the bottom of a treacle/molasses well until then, because that would be quite unpleasant, wouldn't it? All the stickiness and such... Let's just hope someone hasn't poured some hot tea on his nose and stuck him back in the teapot.

Something to ponder:

[Besot]

I concur with Withe. The over analysis has lead to some pretty cool coincidences but seems to cause more confusion than certainty. I myself am doing some "spiritual" research based on the author list in the notebook. Additionally, I am researching the Ashram idea along with "skill bank".

Currently I am focused on Rudolf Steiner's (surprisingly not listed in the author list) supersensible theories on the spirit world. I think in time there will be a conscious understanding and acceptance of the connection between material (where time is calculated by clocks) and spiritual (where time is infinite). Not that some do not already grasp these concepts of time, tis the spiritual that is missing for most…

Although no one other than myself has mentioned it, I find the connection between the Ashram of the Bill Godden foundation and the 2015 methods of survival portrayed by John Titor rather interesting. Perhaps I have not read enough novels on time travel?

I guess what I am getting at is I am taking this journey at a snails pace as to allow for the maximum absorption of both big picture and the details of the hunt. When we only focus on the little things, we tend to miss the bigger picture. The angels and devil are both in the details you must choose your path.

[Raeden]

Tonight, I had a chat with Toby on Yahoo messenger, and it was very interesting. The important stuff was on Book zero, and I will post parts of the chatlog here that are relevant, and might even prove to be vital to our search.

[draghkar]

ok i see some things here:

[Law of Five]

[awakes from fitful slumber]

Still speechless after reading Toby's comments above. I think they're a clear attempt to mop up after an in-game mini-meltdown. A Puppet-Master's weak attempt at self-justification. My favourite lines are:

Toby Godden:did anyone go to the statue? (ask DeadDude, you saw him there...)
Toby Godden:on Monday? (speechless here...)

Toby Godden: maybe it (Book Zero) was found by someone not involved in unfiction or ll
Toby Godden: like, a real world person

Toby Godden: .. go back over the clues you had and figure it out
Toby Godden: where is that Newton statue?
Toby Godden: It was definitely October Full Moon that it was Found, and if we werent on the ball enough to get it we've got a fair search ahead of us...
Toby Godden: now it's down to research
raedencanthiri: so what are we to do? hack into the police system and check out who picked up anything booklike?
Toby Godden: nonono
Toby Godden: that would be silly
(and we wouldn't want to be silly, would we?)
Toby Godden: you can get information just by asking, if you ask the right person in the right way
Toby Godden: Real World people?
Toby Godden: you know, out there somewhere
raedencanthiri: you mean we should ask around at houses and shops that look out on the statue?
Toby Godden: worth a try
Toby Godden: if the book appeared, someone must have noticed
Toby Godden: what about the security guard who works in the area...

So now we're supposed to wander around London and ask random people in Islington if they found Book Zero on the Full Moon morning. Security guards are especially likely to respond positively to this approach. A word of advice: if you do this for too long in London, you will be sectioned under the Mental Health Act and given some Strong Medicine.

Speechless

Law of Five

PS ThatDeadDude - sincere apologies for wasting your time with the Vine Hill lead. Please DO NOT waste any more of your real-world time on the wild goose chase that Toby describes above. For others - pursue at your own peril.[/i]

[Coelacanth]

Well, I agree with Law, it looks like there's some backpaddling going on here. The book zero page has updated and it appears that the book was found at the british library. Now we just have to hope that it was found by someone involved in the game.

Edit: angel2k10 had a good idea regarding the "bring Solid ID" instruction. It's possible that someone at the British Library is holding bookzero and it can be retrived by someone with an ID card.
ThatDeadDude...are you game to give it another go and check with someone at the library to see if the book is there? Perhaps at a lost and found desk or something?

[Raeden]

[Rogi Ocnorb]

I'm still mystefied by the fact that the search for book zero apparently needed to go no further than the Blake/Newton/Library solve. If that was the plan, why were we subjected to any of the stuff about Angel Islington, at all?

EDIT:
Well, I guess I can allow that it could be the part of the plan where the physical image of the book needed to be revealed and the Key on the Piane statue was "in the vicinity".

[angel2k10]

ok so, story so far

it would appear that we missed the book (2L8) and that the blake staue at the british library is where the book was.
General concensus is "someone" has the book but who is that someone?
orkid, toby, Iz maybe even graeme who has been very quite since sunday(probably a good real world reason for that tho)
So anyway in chat we discussed the possiblity that it has been left with someone, maybe at the british library, and that this could be where the Solid ID aspect comes into play. ie We need to find out who has the book and to get it whoever picks it up needs to have ID to prove that they permitted to have it. One suggestion was that it maybe in the libraries lost and found or that someone in the library is aware that we are looking for the book and could have a list of ppl who may come for it.

wow thats the longest post i've ever written
what did i miss
feel free to correct or add

[draghkar]

and for some recon:

and here is an interactive map for the library:
http://www.bl.uk/about/stpmap/stpancras.html

[Law of Five]

Hey Raeden

No, I quoted you intentionally, as Toby's worth a try answer makes no sense without your preceding houses and shops question.

To other Triskabiblians (and more relevantly, to Toby himself, cos I know you're listening):

Please do not mistake my post above for an attack on Toby, Iz or the spirit of the 13books. Nor do I think we should give up on the quest (as everyone deserves a second chance). After all, without Toby/Iz none of this would be at all, we would have nothing to comment and speculate on, and 13books would not exist.

I only suggest that we all ponder two questions, which follow below. In the last few days and weeks, we have all spent valuable time and effort in the real world trying to decipher the various clues which we have been given. References to various authors, moon phases, times, numbers and bases, map work, locations in London, etc. I have spent countless hours doing homework on Paine, Newton and making maps of London to help us along. All of us have contributed in some way and given of ourselves. Graeme and DeadDude actually gave of their free time and spent money travelling into central London at a time dictated by the site. (Apologies again for your wasted trip this am, DD). We're desparate to discover the mystery, to decode the answer, to reveal the keyword and to find Book Zero and then Books 1-13, and so we give freely in a spirit of collegiality, expecting to be rewarded with the meaning behind the clues.

And so, the questions are these, please ponder them carefully:

1. Has any of the work you did and the time you spent assisted in any way to the finding of Book Zero or to the revelation of the secret you were seeking?
(and the corollary: did the Islington location, the discussion on the Bastille and the key, Lafayette and Washington, Paine, plays at the Red Lion Theatre, the London bridge, the 2005 Paine Lecture, the phases of the moon, and the countless other topics we unearthed have anything at all to do with the Finding at the British Library? You may respond that it's the journey that's important (and I know you will, Withe) but what use is a journey when it leads nowhere?)

2. When you encounter further clues in the future, will the 'Book Zero experience' affect how hard you dig, when you consider that all your effort may go cruelly unrewarded?
(and next time, will DeadDude bother to go, or will he just say: once bitten, twice shy)

Maybe we Triskabiblians were supposed to flood London on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, with 1000s of us asking random strangers about the 13 books at each and every location we had identified (and that was about the only way we could have found Book Zero, it seems). Perhaps Toby was disappointed that only 2 of us (well one-and-a-half of us, as Graeme left early) showed up. But that's how things are here in the Real World.

Earlier today, I said "wake me when you find Book Zero" and, lo, it has been found, but not in the way we expected (or wanted).

It's a lesson for ALL of us in this game as (if?) we go forward. We examine the clues, we interpret them, we search for meaning. But if meaning is there none, then what use is examination...

Law of Five

[shylilembrace]

sounds like a little social engineering is in order. I so wish i could be there.

[Besot]

Well stated as always Law. I have sent an email to the British Library for a lost Notebook.

[Law of Five]

Further thoughts on the Finding:

Toby/Iz doesn't want this to collapse, I'm sure of that, even though he has missed the Full Moon Morning. Book Zero is probably hidden somewhere secure in the Library. There is a suggestion that it was left with a security guard, who would presumably deposit it in Lost Property (any guards I know will not act as drop-off pick-up agents for individual books). More likely it's in the library itself, which may pose a bigger problem. You will need ID (i.e. a library lending card) to get at it. Does the British Library have photo-ID? It seems likely. And maybe Jackalope will be getting a map of the British Library to show us where to look. It all seems needlessly contrived to me (in an effort to atone for past mistakes?), but it is what it is.

Still seeking, but more sadly

Law of Five

[Raeden]

I think most security Guards are up for a joke or a treasure hunt, maybe they'll recquire a tip or something, but they're real people, not static machines that just do what they're hired for and nothing else.