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[Law of Five]

So, you DON't need photo-ID to join the Library according to this. (Was a photo a requirement of the 'solid ID'?)

And our best bet is the Lost and Found desk. But, it's been Found already, right? Hope someone hasn't taken it home with them... If it's at the Lost and Found desk, it's still technically Lost.

Oh, and Raeden, you must know some awfully nice security guards. It's a boring job which includes dealing with a lot of aggressive people with the constant threat of serious violence. In my experience, if you ask one of them to keep a book for you for a mysterious stranger to pick up, they're likely to respond with a curt 'F**k off.' Graeme and DeadDude were just walking up to Paine's statue on Sunday afternoon and the local security guards were already getting ready to treat them as a potential threat. Imagine what would have happened if they'd asked them to hold a package for them... It's London in 2005, remember, not long after the Tube bombs...

Law of Five

[Incog Neato]

Heh, the map linked to above by Draghkar....ends in .stpancras.html

Damned Sweetmeats.

I knew that there was more to the British Library connnections. I just wish I had been more forceful with my opinions about it(go back and look at my comments....I did not have enough follow thru on my thoughts.)

I mean, come on....we are searching for a Book in London. What could be a better place to start than the British Library!! Grrrrr....DOH!!

Still not sweatin' it though....I figure that Islington/Whoever wants us to succeed as well. If, indeed, we continue to misconstrue his 'clues'....he will just place a painfully simple, detailed, definitive time/place to meet on one of the Scribe pages.

So, everyone keep their collective chins up!

Carry on....

[Law of Five]

I knew that there was more to the British Library connnections.
...
I mean, come on....we are searching for a Book in London. What could be a better place to start than the British Library!! Grrrrr....DOH!!
Still not sweatin' it though....I figure that Islington/Whoever wants us to succeed as well. If, indeed, we continue to misconstrue his 'clues'....he will just place a painfully simple, detailed, definitive time/place to meet on one of the Scribe pages.

Fair point on finding a book in a library, Incog, but we were given a lot of other clues that led nowhere without special attention being drawn to the ones related to the Library. If we were only given the 2 maps, then the statue of Isaac Newton at the Library would have been our top location. I certainly pointed it out enough times with my interpretation of the the 'whereisi' clue. But then we were given the Angel location and the Paine/Old Red Lion stuff and then the keyword fiasco. If it was the Library all along, what was the point of the rest?

It's natural to blame ourselves and fall to infighting about who pointed out what when, but you can't blame us for 'misconstruing' the trail of 'clues' that Toby/Iz has laid down for us, when they cannot be logically construed anyway. And what would be the point of 'simple, detailed, definitive' instructions? Isn't this supposed to be a puzzle?

Tsk.

Law of Five

[Incog Neato]

Please do not interpret my above post as an attempt to point fingers or start 'infighting'! I am only coming down on myself....not on anyone else! I may have missed something...but I've not seen anyone pointing fingers about this. Other than at Islington!

It seems to me though....that there were multiple things to be found at the multiple locations.

DeadDude DID find Toby and get some 'stuff' from him....right? And that was not at the Library.

I think that where Islington went awry was, perhaps, trying to accomplish too many things at once.

In other words...I think that all of the clues were valid....just not all pointing to the same thing.

I stand by belief that we will find that which Iz wants us to find. It may just have to be via a different path than he originally intended.

Carry on....



----Oh yeah, if I do have any concerns right now....it would be the one I mentioned yesterday. The idea that perhaps someone who has been following this as a 'lurker' found the book and has no plans on passing the info on. Yesterday I blamed this on my paranoia...now....well....it looks as though it could be a very sane explanation. ----

Edit: I said if we continue to miscontrue his clues. I figure at some point...if we still have not found Book Zero...he will all but place it in our laps so as to move on to Book One. Kinda like turning to the back of a crossword magazine to get that one damn word in order to continue solving the puzzle.

[jillah pie]

dont know if anyones seen this yet, but on yann's page it now says

[Law of Five]

Hey Incog - not my meaning... I'm not pointing fingers (except perhaps as IzNibs, gently) and nor are you, and there's been no infighting to date, which is laudable (long may it remain so).

I think that all of the clues were valid....just not all pointing to the same thing.

Can't disagree more on this point, I'm afraid. A clue that points nowhere is noise, not signal.

I stand by belief that we will find that which Iz wants us to find. It may just have to be via a different path than he originally intended.

And how this is different from 'making it up as you go along'?

The idea that perhaps someone who has been following this as a 'lurker' found the book and has no plans on passing the info on. Yesterday I blamed this on my paranoia...now....well....it looks as though it could be a very sane explanation.

Had a quiet chortle at this. This mysterious lurker would have to be as insane as Iz/Toby seems to be to have managed to find Book Zero from the plethora of clues we were given. Hey, if he's so smart/deranged, he can keep it. See yesterday's posts (search for Occam) for more details on this resourceful lurker.

I said if we continue to miscontrue his clues. I figure at some point...if we still have not found Book Zero...he will all but place it in our laps so as to move on to Book One. Kinda like turning to the back of a crossword magazine to get that one damn word in order to continue solving the puzzle

And how is this different from what actually happened today?

Let's imagine this conversation that I might have had in chat with Toby today (my responses have been replaced with ... except for the last one) :

Toby Godden: Hey, you dumb-asses didn't manage to find Book Zero from all the genius clues I provided you with, so now I'm gonna have to tell you - it's the Full Moon today, so your time is UP!
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: OK... here it is
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: it's at the BRITISH LIBRARY!
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: oh, you didn't guess that, eh?
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: guess I was just too clever for you all
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: best place to hide a book is in a library, you see (i'm sooo clever!)
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: all the clues pointed that way!
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: you couldn't have missed them!
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: oh, they didn't, you say?
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: Paine's monument, well yeah, that's close to the Library
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: well, it's sort of close
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: hmmm.. yeah, Islington, well, that was a good clue to the Library too
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: yeah well technically it's in another part of London, but its close
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden:oh well, Blake, and the Angel of the North, ummmm - yeah, there are books about them at the Library - yeah, that's it!
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: hmmmm, yeah... 1790pm and the Japanese word for Sunday...
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden:yeah, well to be honest, i might have been a bit high when i did that bit - but it's all connected... just can't quite remember at the moment
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: yeah, Wishlington... you needed to have to keyword so that you could ... ummm... well, if you had it you could.... ummm, well, it's kind of a cool word
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: well, shit, I thought it was obvious
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: so, then, NONE of you figured it out
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: yeah, well, except for Lurker, nobody figured it out
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: cos that's gonna be a problem - Lurker's got a few issues... like eating books
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: oh, well, never mind
Law of Five: ...
Toby Godden: hey, anyone got some weed?
Law of Five: before you go, is Graeme's Scribe page still down because he didn't show up for the meet and so somehow let you down?
Toby Godden: ... ... ... ... ...

Talking to myself again

Law of Five

[Coelacanth]

Wow Law! But tell us how you really feel

[Not Logged Besot]

I just snorted water out of my nose! Too funny! I think that's the first Triska enduced laugh!

[Mountain Girl]

*Mountain Girl laughs hysterically!!!!! (and nods in agreement)


I am just as frustrated, Law. I am, however, loving the search. I do so want it to lead somewhere though. The premise is great, the clues (had the last ones been decipherable) are a beautiful journey in and of themselves.

Keep the Faith, Law. Let's keep a good energy flowing and think the best of thoughts our PM's way. Positive vibes and all that.

Blessings Abound!

[Incog Neato]

You missed my point dearie.

A clue that points nowhere is noise, not signal.

I am saying that there were multiple things to be found. The proof in this is that DeadDude DID find Toby(by following some of the clues). If all the clues were leading to only one thing....he either A) would have found Toby AND the book, or B) would have found nothing. I think that all of the clues were meant to lead to a particular point/idea. Please highlight the word 'meant'.


And how this is different from 'making it up as you go along'

There may well be no difference...but....who said that there was a hard and fast rule against that in the first place? Some of the best games I have played were made up as we went along (ask me about 'THE GAME' someday).

Do not get me wrong...I think that Iz has not done the best job about being clear as to what we are supposed to do/what we are supposed to be looking for. However, I still say that if things were totally f'ed....he would have just called Graeme(obviously he has his number) and said "go here NOW".

This was not done.

And how is this different from what actually happened today?

The fact that Toby brought up the British Library the next day is not the same. Using the crossword book analogy....that would be like giving me the word after I had thrown away the book.

I think 2 things can be drawn from Toby's Library divulgence at this point: A) He is saying that, yes indeed, it was at the Library and we missed that chance...and is kinda screwing with us, or B) He is saying that, yes indeed, it was at the Library and someone snagged it and we are all(including Toby) being screwed with.

This mysterious lurker would have to be as insane

I do not think that it takes much of a stretch AT ALL to think that someone(residing in London) reading these threads....and following Triskabiblios in general.....would have thought to look at the British Library. If you go back and read some of the posts....The Library came up more often than any other location(other than Colgate).

All this is neither here nor there. We are where we are. Islington is either going to point us in a new direction or he's not. Will not have any great affect on my life either way. In fact, even if this is as far as it gets, I made some new friends(ones that game on or game off I will keep contact with). I think that many people were introduced to new books/authors/ideas. I received a book in the post that I had not read AND I got to share a book with another. And, I had FUN through it all. So, in my 'book', it is already a success.

I for one, am going to sit back and wait to see what happens next. If that happens to be nothing. So be it.

Carry on....

[Law of Five]

Law of Five: hey, if you're kicking Graeme out as a Scribe, will there be an opening? I mean, you know, if you need someone else... I could volunteer if you like...
Toby Godden: ...
Law of Five: hmmm... oh, OK, I'll suppose I'll take that as a NO, then...

Tee hee

Law of Five

[Atrophied]

I guess he has enough scribes for the moment then?

[Law of Five]

Agreed, Incog, it's been a positive experience for me on the whole thus far and I've made some new friends (and am looking forward to some books) that I would not have got otherwise. So I give thanks for 13books. Do I like everything about it so far? Well, no. But I'm sticking with it for now. I'm still posting aren't I?

Law of Five

PS - Just joshing about Graeme getting kicked, although he does seem to be in the metaphorical doghouse - bring him back, Toby, pleeeez!

[Atrophied]

I knew you were joking I should have added a " " to the end of that post to highlight my sarcasm.

Nice convo by the way.