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[13books] Book Zero
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kyameel
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Hold on.

Pratchetty? Libraries?

When Pratchett and Libraries were mentioned in one sentence, something clicked. Has anyone heard of L-space?

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As mentioned in http://www.ie.lspace.org/about/whatis-lspace.html (and also in the Discworld Companion)

Libraries, nature of.

Even big collections of ordinary books distort space and time, as can readily be proved by anyone who has been around a really old-fashioned second-hand bookshop, one of those that has more staircases than storeys and those rows of shelves that end in little doors that are surely too small for a full sized human to enter.

The relevant equation is Knowledge = Power = Energy = Matter = Mass; a good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole that knows how to read. Mass distorts space into polyfractal L-space, in which Everywhere is also Everywhere Else.

All libraries are connected in L-space by the bookwormholes created by the strong space-time distortions found in any large collection of books. Only a very few librarians learn the secret, and there are inflexible rules about making use of the fact - because it amounts to time travel.

The three rules of the Librarians of Time and Space are:
(1) Silence;
(2) Books must be returned no later than the last date shown, and
(3) the nature of causality must not be interfered with.


This may in fact have relation with all these books. But then, it may just be a coincidence. But THEN again, there are no coincidences right?

The Discworld fan in me is now of good use!
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sollune
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Nice Find. Nice sig. XD

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(2) Books must be returned no later than the last date shown,

love that rule. Never seem to be able to follow it. ;P

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kyameel
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^sollune, thanks.

Actually, as far as I've read, rules 1 and 2 get broken every now and then. But rule no. 3 will and must always be followed.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:25 am
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Abraxas
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Matter...this reminds me of something I read:
"The passkey is in matter/place in Time." (taken from Iz' letter (?) to Orkid)

But how would you find a book in L-Space? Razz
Or a passkey, rather.

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Raeden
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My philosophy senses tingled and told me it's IMPOSSIBLE to mess with causality, if it excists at all that is.

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Mountain Girl
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The Triskabiblios site now contains no data? Update? Game Over?
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moongazer
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Well, what a shambles Exclamation I think Law, in his earlier posts, has appraised the situation perfectly, as usual, especially the "hypothetical conversation" - brilliant!

From Raeden's conversation with Toby:-
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Toby Godden: did anyone go to the statue?
Toby Godden: on Monday?

it would appear that Book Zero was supposed to be found at the statue on Monday, (full moon morning), and as the only time we have is 1.30, (am?) - did he seriously intend for someone to go wandering around the streets of London in the middle of the night, meeting strange men or picking up abandoned packages? It beggars belief, particularly in view of what has happened in London recently.

As luck would have it, our two resident London footmen (Graeme and ThatDeadDude) happen to be male - what if there had only been (young) females available? In fact, special thanks should go to Dude, who seems to have done all the legwork on our behalf - visiting the Community Centre, collecting the book from the Station, and a total of FOUR visits to the Paine Memorial - whereas Graeme doesn't seem to have achieved much.

There have aleady been three major debacles along this journey: the early alleged meltdown, the 1970 wrong date, and the botched Meetings/Book Zero/full moon fiasco. It has seemed to me for some time that the PM(s?), far from having a proper gamepath, well-thought-out and prepared in advance, along which to lead us, have been merely reacting and responding to developments on this Forum, and cobbling together the next steps "on the hoof".

In the beginning when discussion was mainly in the Forum threads they were able to follow quite nicely, but since the popularity of the Chatroom has increased and more of the speculation is contained there, they have become more "lost" - hence their attempts to enter the Chat.

Turning to "Book Zero at the British Library", we seem to have made a jump in placing the "Security Guard" there.

All previous references to the Security Guard have been to a guard at the offices/in the courtyard at the Paine Monument. This is where DD has seen the guard several times, and where Graeme mentioned him - Graeme didn't go anywhere else.

Hoping this can get back on track, but I'm doubtful, especially now Vibration 13 appears to have disappeared.

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Abraxas
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Calm down, it's up again. Wink
I know I repeat myself and I'm not that deep in this game/ARG/whatever to form a professional opinion...but perhaps I have the benefit of the outsider: everything might have gone as planned
I especially wonder about the meaning of "2L8" and why it was hidden the whole time in Islington's symbol.

However, my gut should tell me that this won't go beyond Book Zero and I highly doubt it will turn into a search for books around London - not to mention around the world (Iz probably won't leave his area).

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:49 am
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HyperBorea
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moongazer wrote:
Well, what a shambles Exclamation... It has seemed to me for some time that the PM(s?), far from having a proper gamepath, well-thought-out and prepared in advance, along which to lead us, have been merely reacting and responding to developments on this Forum, and cobbling together the next steps "on the hoof".

Now there's an idea. Rolling Eyes I agree, of course.

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All previous references to the Security Guard have been to a guard at the offices/in the courtyard at the Paine Monument. This is where DD has seen the guard several times, and where Graeme mentioned him - Graeme didn't go anywhere else.

I agree the clues seem to have pointed to the monument. Thinking through what we've been given, and especially reading through other peoples' thinking here at the forum, it never occured to me to look at the library. But then I'm not anywhere near London so this mightn't be a connection I'd make.

I see these possibilities:
1) Someone OOG collected the book, leaving it out of reach for "us" and leaving us with an ARG that got off to a great start with a lot of potential having flamed out due to proper lack of planning.
2) Someone OOG collected the book, leaving it out of reach for "us" and leaving us with an ARG that's stalled out until a new Book Zero can be made by the PM and the game jump-started with some contrivance.
3) Someone OOG collected the book, but an accessible someone that would allow a player to retrieve it and allow the game to go on.
4) The book was collected properly and clues have to be followed to figure it out.
5) Regardless of any of the above, the game has flamed out and people don't really care at this point.

I'm thinking if the game is to go on the PM needs to stop dinking around with making everything everyone ever says a potential clue in the game and lay down some structure so folks have a chance to make it go the way it oughtta go. But maybe that's just me. I'd hate to see this one flame out; it was really cool there for a while, and it's clear a lot of work has gone into it.

For whatever it's worth. Lots of other folks here have contributed much more than me and their comments will carry more weight, obviously.
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draghkar
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Ok people,

besides the fact that BookZero is missing at the moment, which is in my humble opinion a personal error of Ix, we as players made some thinking errors as well..

Looking back at the clues we received I see the following:

We failed to see that we were directed into 2 directions: the first direction heading towards the paine monument the other to the library. The one to the paine for retreiving the key, the one to the library to receive bookZero.

As far as the breakdown on the hints:
We can all see the threads leading to the paine monument. the key on the monument, the video feed on the jackal page and so on. The key on the page with thomas paine. The reference to Sunday. all and all references to that what was found. The key.

Then Book Zero. Those hints were more obscured, especially timewise.
Again, I am looking back with this analysis, so it makes it easier on me. On book zero the first hint shows that it will be found in 2005 (found2005) It als has a reference to a lot of writers. (a bit far fetched to point to a library, but hence, it IS a clue that direction.) The following clue was the use of the newton/blake picture being used. and a reference to the blake poem and the bdate death date of newton. Another clue was st Patrick, this one came on the index page of the site (page 2 as you wish). All of these clues are pointing to the library.

Where the 2L8 sign comes in... I think Ix was letting us know that he was too late with something, and trying to make up for it, hence the shortened timeline, making things go wrong.

Where IX might improve is to check progress and make sure that we are going in the right direction. That will lead to a better understanding of the game and what is going on.

I myself have not lost faith in the entire thing, and i hope that BookZero will either be recreated or found. Either or, Ix needs to come with an explanation, or a next hint which needs to be very very clear!

Awll, just my 2 cts

Draghkar

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mj
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I gave the library a ring a few minutes ago (enquiring about my missing red notebook Smile ). The security people said that they hadn't seen anything of that description, but that it would be worth checking at the security desk in the library when next in the area.

Of course, this is assuming that (1) The book is actually red, (2) it hasn't had a new cover put on it, and (3) I didn't get the colour-blind security guard.

Hmm!

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dem
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Can't we just enjoy the game? I mean, it's a free game that someone is hosting for YOUR enjoyment. It hasn't cost you anything, so why is everyone so down on the game?

It feels like a waste of time when you work a solid 4 hours to look for an answer to the clue, announce that you've found the answer, then see nothing come of it - but there IS a possibility that the answer was wrong. Or maybe, like Abraxas said, this is exactly what was supposed to happen.

It also looks like the forest can't be seen for the trees. There were things that came up weeks ago as a clue to the location, but they've been forgotten or pushed aside as a new clue comes in. I thought the London Bridge was the drop...but it changed as a new clue came in. New clues don't invalidate the old clues, though, right?

Besides, I thought Book Zero was found. Didn't Graeme find it under his doorstep?

I'm just watching and doing my own clue-finding, and I've discovered that it's the journey itself that is the most fun. I've learned alot about books Paine and all kinds of stuff. That's MY reward.

Isn't it possible that if everyone keeps bashing the PM he/she might just say, "Well, screw these guys." If I was doing this game and I read Law's
"conversation" I would be really offended. I mean, you're playing a free game. If the PM really is reading this board, please don't stop. If you have to, take it to another forum. There are lots of us still playing that don't feel like it's a shambles. We're along for the ride.

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moongazer
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mj wrote
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I gave the library a ring a few minutes ago (enquiring about my missing red notebook ). The security people said that they hadn't seen anything of that description, but that it would be worth checking at the security desk in the library when next in the area.

Of course, this is assuming that (1) The book is actually red, (2) it hasn't had a new cover put on it, and (3) I didn't get the colour-blind security guard.

Hmm!


I'm sure if such a thing had been handed in, they would know about it. After all, the Library are not in on the game, and would have nothing to hide.

As I said in the Chat, when you think about it, I feel this is now all too vague for words.

To summarise:-

We MAY be looking for a "Book Zero", which may or may not be red, which may or may not be at the British Library, possibly at the Lost & Found, but they seem to know nothing about it; but equally possibly with a Security Guard, (either there or at the Paine Monument site), on the bookshelves concealed amongst the largest collection of books in the U.K., hidden in the toilet, etc., OR it could have been left at the Blake/Newton statue outside (which Toby's hints would indicate), and may or may not have been taken inside, but could just as easily have been taken home by a passerby or put in the nearest bin.

Furthermore, we are supposed to produce someone who is free to give up last Sunday afternoon and/or the middle of the night (full moon), and now another day, to go wandering around London looking for it, approaching strangers, collecting abandoned packages, etc.

And all this, on the offchance that it is leading us somewhere!

If, as seems the case, no further progress can be made until we have this Book Zero, I think Toby should retrieve it himself and find a better way to get it to us.

Dem wrote:
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There were things that came up weeks ago as a clue to the location, but they've been forgotten or pushed aside as a new clue comes in. I thought the London Bridge was the drop...but it changed as a new clue came in. New clues don't invalidate the old clues, though, right?

Yes, we all found out about the British Library and the Blake statue outside, long ago, but there was no indication that this was an endpoint in itself, and was to be held in reserve as a branchline on the route to the Keyword. New clues do not invalidate the old ones, so long as we know where to use the old ones - otherwise we may have felt all the stuff from the beginning was to be used here too. Real Life People are not too good at mindreading!

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Besides, I thought Book Zero was found. Didn't Graeme find it under his doorstep?

No, he found : a book of verse called "My Heart Blown Open Wide" by "Martin J. White".

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Dem said:
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I'm just watching and doing my own clue-finding, and I've discovered that it's the journey itself that is the most fun. I've learned alot about books Paine and all kinds of stuff. That's MY reward.


Right-O, Dem, glad to hear it, and glad to have ya.
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http://london.craigslist.org/laf/105209029.html

hopefully it will yeild something.
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