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[13books] Book Zero
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angel2k10
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 		i honestly don't think Kathy Burke has anything to do with this i mean have u seen Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie the womans mad as a hatter! Not exactly a prominent figure of our time. Unless she counts as an example of extraordinarily bad hair of the 21st century. wayyyyyyyyyyne.

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Law of Five
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 		Excellent work on the Kathy Burke, thing, Brimstoner! But what is the link to 1970?

I was starting to wonder at the sheer number of clues Islington has given us to help identify Thomas Paine.

1. His picture.

2. The arrow pointing right, to the right side of the man (alludes to the Rights of Man)

3. The image is called 'noburke.jpg' (indicating Paine's opposition to Edmund Burke's treatise on the French Revolution)

4. The page is labelled 'constitution' in Rot-13 encryption, indicating Paine's links to the American Revolution.

5. Not sure why this doesn't work on my work PC, but on my home mac, the URL displayed was something like 'notleft.html', which is another clue to the Rights of Man.

So why are we getting so many clues to help us identify Paine? We don't need _all_ of these... Are we being asked to focus on the statue in Islington? Maybe the right side of the statue? Or are some of the clues 'doubles' - like Kathy Burke?

And it seems that the Old Red Lion Theatre in Islington is important. Can anyone find a Tom Paine connection here?

And if Kathy Burke (from Gimme Gimme Gimme) is important, what is her link to 1970? Her first play 'Mr Thomas' was written in 1986 and performed in 1990 (what's your source for this being performed at the Old Red Lion Theatre, Briimstone?). Clearly, the title of the play suggests another link to Tom Paine ('Mr Thomas') but does anyone know what the play was about and if it has anything to do with Paine?

From a brief run at this, I found her page at :

http://www.doollee.com/PlaywrightsB/BurkeKathy.htm#5351

Her agent (Micheline Steinberg Playwrights ) is described, but there are no details on the play, except that there were 4 men and 1 woman in the cast. The hunt goes on...

Law of Five

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 		Have to go to work now, but is anyone else constantly surprised that everything is connected to everything else and that it's all connected to ISLINGTON?

i.e. what are the chances of there being a statue of Paine in Islington, along with a play called 'Mr Thomas' performed at the Old Red Lion Theatre in Islington by Kathy Burke, same name as Paine's nemesis?

Or is Islington just f**king with us? Are we making up connections where none exist?

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 		Job for later: must make a list of all the Islington connections we've come across so far in Book Zero...

Law

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angel2k10
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 		Mr Thomas is apparently about a closet homosexual. but thats all i can find so far
but i still don't think kathy burke is an important link

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 		NO, NO, NO...Brimstoner's Edmund Burke - Thomas Paine connection is the one that makes the most sense. The Rights of Man as a response to Burke about the French Revoloution as if saying "no" to Burke... noburke.

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Sha-Zoobie
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He was a character. He was indeed born in London and was the son of a corset maker (he wasn't very good at making them himself) He wrote the Rights of Man above a pub near the Angel in Islington. He was known for his stuborn refusal to wash (Thomas Jefferson once refused to let him in his office because he smelled so bad), he was given a rather large farm and land track for his service to the American revolution but wasn't able to make a go of it. He was obsessed with building the most advanced bridge of his age but failed at that too. And yet, he was on had for both the American Revolution and the French and was able to sum up the guiding principles of the revolutions better than anyone. It think he might be better remembered as a cosmopolitan in the best sense.


This was all I could find out for Tom Paine. The only things I can get out of this paragraph is that 1.) Tom wrote the Rights of Man in a pub very near the Angel Inn, and 2.)He wanted to build some kind of special bridge.
I'll keep looking though..

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A Nice chatty dimly-lit pub that is actually one of the oldest in London - a tavern of this name has stood here since the 15th century. The likes of Oliver Goldsmith, Tom Paine, Samuel Johnson and that little cockney bloke off Eastenders have all quaffed ale here. The present building is late Victorian, although fairly altered - a nice etched glass panelled screen separating off a smaller section of the single bar and a Corinthian central pillar remain. This place is best known and most visited these days for its small upstairs theatre - still black and white photos of various productions and the minor luvvies who have performed in them line the walls. It does tend to be at its most crowded before/after and at the interval of these productions, but is one place in busy old Islington where you should usually be able to find a seat. It has a large screen TV for sport and a piano by the door.


Oh, here's something, I think. Tom Paine drank there before... Heh. That's really the only connection I can get with Tom and the Old Red Lion.

EDIT: The theatre has a pub. I, um... I totally knew that.

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 		I wonder, is this the "bridge" Shane is supposed to cross?

I'm also getting a whole "breaking barriers & tearing down walls" vibe with this latest clue...Don't ask me why, but it's touching home, all too apparent with me at least...but I just can't quite put my finger on why I am feeling this.
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Abraxas
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Law of Five wrote:

5. Not sure why this doesn't work on my work PC, but on my home mac, the URL displayed was something like 'notleft.html', which is another clue to the Rights of Man.

The URL should be the same, are you sure about that?
Btw, it's "leftor.html", but basically that's the same message. Razz

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 		Law's browser issues are probably just related to Toby's use of frames and how different browsers deal with them.
Most of you can see that when you go to triskabiblios.com and move around, the address doesn't appear to change.. If you open your history pane and set it to view current pages ("Oder visited today", in IE), you'll see the real navigation occurring.
You can break out of frames by opening links in a new page (Right click on them in IE).
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 		The title of the Thomas Paine page is Pbafgvghgvba?

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 		To help satiate Law's Islington addiction and help as a guide should anyon need to "go" there, here's a link to a site that gives a pretty full description of the area. It includes Orwell, Paine, Red Lion, Angel and a host of other "Coincidental" entries.
For those interested in further reading about Thomas Paine, There is a good link to all of his most famous essays.
http://www.bmh54.freeuk.com/places/islington/islington.htm
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shylilembrace
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Law of Five wrote:
Job for later: must make a list of all the Islington connections we've come across so far in Book Zero...

Law
if you do that i'll stick it up on my guide site. which i need to work on and i promise i will as soon and i'm done with QC

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 		The title of the Thomas Paine page is Pbafgvghgvba?

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