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[SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall story
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sapagoo
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[SPEC] General Friday Spec

I love abraxas's spec and rose's spec above.

I'm very curious where Lucky got all his money after the War.
As near as I can tell, thunderclap8 has the $100,000 in gold. Since Lucky doesn't seem the type to doublecross thunderclap, and I can't see thunderclap getting into a poker game with all that money, my spec is as follows:

Otto knocks out thunderclap, steals the gold. Otto knows Lucky has the Gun, and Otto knows the origin of the Gun. Otto wants the gun. Otto and Lucky play a game of poker w/ the Gun and the gold as stakes. Lucky wins, and thunderclap dies (someone always dies when the Gun is brought to the poker table). Later, thunderclap is found in the river.

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I don't see why the money couldn't have been a family stash that Lucky inherited and invested wisely at a poker table years later Wink

Nothing in the story so far (afaik) that Lucky was dirt poor or that he couldn't have come into it any other way than through the recent refugee poker game. Maybe he was going to sell the gun, took it to a poker game, got the money from the dude while playing poker, gave the dude the gun, and, since the gun is cursed, shortly after touching it (and since the dude who bought it suffered from Deep Vein Thrombosis) the dude had a stroke and died.

Thus, Lucky has a crap load of money AND the gun.

And this all happened last year. In Atlantic City. At a strip club.

Where Spider worked as a bouncer.

Ta da!
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Re: yes, I was up all night and my brain is making curliques

rose wrote:

I think that the Buyer may truly hate Lucky and want to harm his family. No idea why or what happened between them. And no idea why the Buyer didn't try to get it from Lucky before Lucky died.


Do we know how long the buyer has been after the gun?
Maybe it just took him this long to track it down.

Maybe the buyer is Martina (The gun killed her(his) aggressor as well as the priest, and who knows who else)
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Re: yes, I was up all night and my brain is making curliques

johnny5 wrote:
Maybe the buyer is Martina (The gun killed her(his) aggressor as well as the priest, and who knows who else)


Don't forget our Civil War freak-boy addict, Lothar Barbel. If anyone wants a piece of the South, he would be up there on the list.
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ScarpeGrosse wrote:
I don't see why the money couldn't have been a family stash that Lucky inherited and invested wisely at a poker table years later Wink

Nothing in the story so far (afaik) that Lucky was dirt poor or that he couldn't have come into it any other way than through the recent refugee poker game.


Heh.

From the press release:

Press Release wrote:
Brown, upon his death, willed five million dollars of his fortune to the creation of LastCallPoker.com to facilitate the development and maintenance of this online game site. Lucky Brown always said that a hand of poker he won at the end of the War gave him the seed money for his fortune.


Razz

So he didn't win it in the refugee game (since he didn't play in that game) but it wasn't a stash or a family fortune.
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Phaedra wrote:
ScarpeGrosse wrote:
I don't see why the money couldn't have been a family stash that Lucky inherited and invested wisely at a poker table years later Wink

Nothing in the story so far (afaik) that Lucky was dirt poor or that he couldn't have come into it any other way than through the recent refugee poker game.


Heh.

From the press release:

Press Release wrote:
Brown, upon his death, willed five million dollars of his fortune to the creation of LastCallPoker.com to facilitate the development and maintenance of this online game site. Lucky Brown always said that a hand of poker he won at the end of the War gave him the seed money for his fortune.


Razz

So he didn't win it in the refugee game (since he didn't play in that game) but it wasn't a stash or a family fortune.


Unless Lucky lied about the source of his fortune, there is at least one more poker game to be played. So far as I can tell, none of the characters we know actually have the money, they just have hints about its existence. I spec that once it is found (perhaps WE will have to find it as a puzzle?) it will be the subject of another poker game that Lucky plays in and wins.

Alternative spec - Lucky gets it through more shady means and uses the poker game as a story to hide his malfeasance. (I favor the additional poker game though - this is a poker site, the game is likely to drive the story at multiple points).

The "alive" status of Whitecloud and Mueller that I noted last night and that may have gotten Abraxas started on his complex spec has not changed as of this morning. Hmmmm...
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"Seed money" is markedly vague, to me. Perhaps he was still granted the money, by way of poker, but not specifically because that hand won him chips/chits?

It could be as obvious as it is written - he won a poker game, and the pot was the massive amount of cash he then poured, post-mortem, into LCP.com ... but somehow his being evasive and winky to Thunderclap indicates there's a LOT more going on than just that.
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Re: yes, I was up all night and my brain is making curliques

rose wrote:
3. Johnny Deuces took the Colt but that doesn't mean Lucy is safe from harm. Because Johnny Deuces is hiding the Colt, the rest of the world will assume that Lucy-- or Clay (there are pictures that show him on the scene, the ones that Victor took and probably has copies of in the safety deposit box) --still has the Colt. So who will show up next?


Hmm.. if Don did know that Clay was at the cemetery, and tells Kerry to kill him, that could be interesting. Don is probably the safest present time character right now, with only Kerry being much of a threat to him. If he says clay did something, Kerry would be the wiser, and it might finally make him decide that Don is playing him.
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Re: yes, I was up all night and my brain is making curliques

SuperJerms wrote:
rose wrote:
3. Johnny Deuces took the Colt but that doesn't mean Lucy is safe from harm. Because Johnny Deuces is hiding the Colt, the rest of the world will assume that Lucy-- or Clay (there are pictures that show him on the scene, the ones that Victor took and probably has copies of in the safety deposit box) --still has the Colt. So who will show up next?


Hmm.. if Don did know that Clay was at the cemetery, and tells Kerry to kill him, that could be interesting. Don is probably the safest present time character right now, with only Kerry being much of a threat to him. If he says clay did something, Kerry would be the wiser, and it might finally make him decide that Don is playing him.


I think Kerry is suddenly finding out that his boss may be lying to him about how bad some people are. Kerry discovered that Vic wasn't as bad as painted, per Kerry's conversation with Clay
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Potpourri

1. I think most of us would agree that Clay mistrusts Don. They haven't had their meeting yet, as far as I know, unless Clay is in the video of Don hanging Tony - which I confess I couldn't watch all the way through. Don was going to show Clay some criminal pornographic photos and claim that Victor took them.

Now that Clay knows about Corazon being a pre-op transexual, will that affect his views about Victor and Victor's innoncence?

2. When in the story did Mitzi kill Ernst? I think the audio on Geraldmonteverde (anicergirl.wav) was to have been the phone call to us on Wednesday. Because we weren't far enough into the story, they didn't send the phone call, but posted it as an audio file.

When did this shooting happen? Does the Kid tell Johnny Whitecloud that Ernst is dead? I thought I remembered that but I can't find it?

3. Who is Dutch? On thedealer card "a deck of nearly 52 cards" Dutch, an American soldier, talks about the censors with Lucky. Who is this soldier?

4. As for the "seed money" in the poker game, maybe Lucky meant a game of tombstone poker. He hasn't invented that yet in the story line. Maybe he wins some money from a rich soldier, who was at the notorious game. It does seem that all the soldiers know he is great at poker, he was the one ringer that Reed wanted and "Dutch" doesn't even want to play if Lucky was there. So maybe he wins the money from someone from a different group?

(being much slower than all of you, I just understood that the problem Polaris was talking about needing Lucky to solve in the first poker game, was the need to find "ringers" for the second poker game. Maybe if we had been up to speed we would have had only one game with Polaris. Or we would have been smart enough to volunteer right away. I)
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rose wrote:
1. I think most of us would agree that Clay mistrusts Don. They haven't had their meeting yet, as far as I know, unless Clay is in the video of Don hanging Tony - which I confess I couldn't watch all the way through. Don was going to show Clay some criminal pornographic photos and claim that Victor took them.

Now that Clay knows about Corazon being a pre-op transexual, will that affect his views about Victor and Victor's innoncence?



You mean Kerry?

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Mitzi shot Ernst while Reed and Whitecloud were trying to steal the train. Then the two get back to the bar, Reed comes in from the bathroom talking about Jerry crying in there, and Martin tells Johnny about the treasure and the three go over to the Soviet Hotel (Hot coffee dialogue).

I think tombstone poker is invented at John Whitecloud's burial. They'd already be in a graveyard and Jerry would still be bummed about Mitzi.
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Lothar's updates

On Lotharbarbel in Felicitous or iognorant:

"The gun and its shiny secrets". I think the GUN has information about the location of a treasure - "shiny secrets" =diamonds?
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Diamonds

Diamonds confirmed in the "they're so damn smart" text on McPherson's page.

Really, I hadn't seen that before my last post.

Also we finally see how Don found out about the gun!
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A question...

How did Simon find Kerry?

Did Phillip Kim give Simon the lead to Kerry?

So far, the only people we know who know that Kerry killed Maurice are:
Don McPherson

Ok that is one person. I can't connect Kerry killing Maurice to Victor (or Corazon or the LADP- Philip Kim- or Lucy) or to Matt Viet (Matt is the almost witness to Sam's murder.)

I must have missed what evidence led Simon to find Kerry.
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