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[MageSteff]

Re: A question...

[yanka]

Btw, I completely spaced out on the fact that Lucy does know who killed Robert, and she does know that it wasn't Kerry. Still, I think the Lucy -> Vic's envelope -> Corazon -> Kerry -> Simon connection makes sense.

On the other hand, rose, you're right - since Simon knew Maurice very well, he could have gotten the envelope from his contact at LAPD. And if Nakagawa wasn't the only cop who knew about McPherson's "pocket killer", Simon could have found out about Kerry that way as well.

So, um, I'm all undecided now

[rose]

ideas

[j5]

Re: ideas

[rose]

Yeah - I first thought Corazon sent them. But the way she acted when Lucy appeared at her door, pushing her out and as if she didn't know Lucy or hadn't seen her- made me wonder about whether Corazon seen the pictures at all.

I do remember Philip Kim. I think I mentioned him a few times. The thing about him is, if he had those photos, why send them to Simon without checking up on them himself? It didn't sound like the cops had been out to see Corazon. I don't see Kim handing over a homicide investigation to Simon, no matter how much Maurice had paid him.

And your right, I am over thinking this.

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A new idea I had. Remember Martin/Maria knows where the treasure is hidden? Any takers on the idea that Martin/Maria took those huge"10 karat" diamonds and hid them in the Colt? Not expecting that Johnny would die and Lucky would end up with the Colt...

Just a thought I had about that kid from 1945.

[johnny5]

[Shad0]

Re: SPEC

[konamouse]

Uhm, guys? The diamonds were in possession of the Germans in WWII.

The gun got to the area in the hands of the poor American soldier (who got it from his dad back in Nebraska).

How could the diamonds be associated with the gun pre-WWII?? There must be another secret associated with it (and that probably won't come to light until we go back to Civil War era).

[Arana]

[SuperJerms]

Really quickly, and I'm feeling lazy so I'm not going to go find the links. The photos could only have come to Simon via Phil Kim. How do I know?
- Don had first, it to show the nasty pics to Kerry.
- Don doesn't know Simon, but Simon said he got it from LAPD.
- The only other cops we know of are Harry (dead), Rojas (unrelated as of yet), Corazon (the pics were news to her when Lucy brought them over), and Phil.
- Phil was already Mo's contact.
- Phil had a phone conversation with Don specifically looking for info on the Robert Brown Murder (Lucky's Phone Call, Week One ).

Seems to break down like this, then:

Don shows Kerry the picks (and, incidentally, Kerry still isn't convinced...maybe the pics were of murder or rape and it didn't mesh with Vic's, "All those girls signed waivers," or maybe Kerry is just smarter than a sack of bricks). As already mentioned, Kerry is a safe bet because he can't go to authorities without implicating himself, and everyone else is dead. So what can throw a wrench into Don's works now? Those photos getting into the wrong hands.

Don is on a gang violence task force, not a regular homicide beat. He killed kink and made it look like gang violence so that he could cover it up. Vic's body will never be found. Nobody knows who killed Robert (aside from Lucy, Clay and him), so it can't come back to him. He could justify having the pics because he investigated Kink, but it would only lead to people asking questions that he doesn't want asked.

So Don passes the photos on to Phil, knowing that Kim was going to pass info on to Maurice. No danger there, Don thinks, because Mo is dead. He figures Phil will just admit it into evidence--no more hassle. But Don didn't know about Simon the Butcher. Or (and we're getting a little more wild here), maybe Don wanted info to get back to Corazon or Simon. If Kerry gets whacked by a third party, nobody is left to implicate Don of wrongdoing. Besides, Don's the big hat now...he has plenty of folks to kill for him should Kerry turn up missing.


And what of the GUN's shiny secrets? Sure, Don is into fabulous riches just as much as the next guy, but why is Lothar interested in the GUN? Civil War. Lothar is a rebel sympathizer, thinks the Jews somehow betrayed the south and lost the war, and the Illuminati are somehow involved. Illuminati....light...shiny secrets. Get it?

Now Don's motivation is more obscure. He's obviously either the buyer or working for the buyer. Why? Here's what we know...Lothar firmly believes the Illumanati are involved and says the GUN is proof. Shortly after, Don looks into the gun for whatever reason (mild amusement at Lothar, slight curiosity, or even good detective work trying to get at what's really bugging Lothar). At the very least, he finds a bunch of authentic civil war area stuff at Lothar's house, and he finds a history of the JEB Stuart gun. Fast foreward nine years, Don is willing to kill to get that gun.

Could be that there's more to the Illuminati angle than we know of yet (e.g. Lothar is right about the Illumanti/GUN relationship, and the gun is a key to treasure/power a la "National Treasure"). Seems most likely. Maybe in researching, Don saw that the GUN crossed paths with Nazi treasure, and he decided it could be found somehow, using the gun. Or maybe he just got to thinking, "How much would this gun really be worth, just based on it's historical path and JEB's significance?"


Oh, one other idea with the "shiny secrets." It wouldn't be the first reference to Firefly I've seen in this game

[krystyn]

I reckon that is some good spec there!

[sapagoo]

I wanted to post a short timeline for the 1929 story.

The Telegram from Al Capone to Machinegun was dated Oct 18, 1929. That was a Friday.
Armageddon Jones' speech to Pete was dated on "Saturday Morning."
Everything else was simply dated "Friday". I can't tell from the dialog if the Friday in question was the day after Black Thursday, or the Friday before Black Thursday.
The stock market first dropped on Black Thursday October 24th. It dropped in the morning, and recovered in the afternoon. Black Thursday Oct 24th was followed by Black Monday Oct 28th and Black Tuesday Oct 29th. Thursday was bad, but it was Monday and Tuesday that were the "nails in the coffin."

"oneeyedmickey: Market's been kinda shaky the last couple of days, seems like. "
If the poker game was on the 25th, then the line above is an understatement. But on the other hand, the 25th was supposed to be an optimistic day, with investors confident that the market would recover.
I'm leaning towards the poker game matching the telegram (the market was shaky all of September). But there's almost as much evidence leaning towards it being the 25th.
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From the poker game, they discuss the Feds watching Capone, and it's obvious that Capone is not in Chicago. Between the telegram and U.S. History, Capone was in Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia in September of 1929. Apparently he was in jail for a weapons charge for 8 months spanning 1929 and 1930. He was incarcerated in July or August 1929, released on Mar 17th.

Greasythumbs, oneeyedmickey, and machinegun were lamenting the fact that after Al Capone gets out of jail, he'll probably come back to Chicago and bring the heat back with him. They just wish he would go back to Florida (which is where he went to avoid the feds in Chicago).

[johnny5]

Good timeline sap, thanks for working it up.

I would venture that the timeline is on or around the 18th as opposed to the 2xth.
My primary reasoning is that the dates presented for all other card updates were always on or before the date of the update (month/day, not year obviously)

/me crosses his fingers that "always" is correct as he can't go verify ATM.

[aliendial]

Must be after Black Thursday (at least)

From the news clip on the radio broadcast (again, dictaphone at home) - I recall it said the market fell 40% that day (whatever day it was). So we take this event as having already occurred.

Thursday the 24th or Friday the 25th also would make sense in light of the lost aviator story, because he left Newfoundland on the 22nd and when they didn't hear from him on the 23rd they knew there was a problem with his flight (his date of death is listed as the 23rd), so if there were any radio stories they could have been on the 24th or 25th.

edit - or it means that's what day WE"RE at, but all the character stuff could be from events leading up to Black Thursday. Turning again to internal evidence from the vignettes..hmm, not clear.

[Bethling]