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sandman

[KermieD]

I don't think Maurice's inclusion was an accident and I think we're far better served by getting someone in the tournament. There were a dozen real questions to be asked, particularly with Maurice's sudden inclusion, most of which were in the "20 questions" thread here, but we got stuck with kludgy "tell me a story about the gun" questions repeatedly, even though we know this revolves around a game called "GUN" and that is obviously the endgame question we're not going to get an easy answer to.

Again, if this was intended to be a poker site, it would warn other players when someone else at the table gets "pinged" by another player at the same table. It was said before that the "updates Wed and Sat" meant the tourney was about poker and it's been shown that's not true. They may decide to find another way to let us know....or they may have just a bit of patience and make us wait until we ask the right questions in the tourney. In most cases we've gotten clues from 2 different sources and in many, the 2nd source has been playing poker with in-game characters. The importance of doing so shouldn't be ignored, particularly after watching the tourney as a spectator when Lucky and Maurice were practically begging us to ask the right questions.

[krystyn]

This game is not meant for just Unfiction players, though.

I totally understand what people want to happen, and that we're generally trying to keep on top of the story over here at these forums, but 'making sure' we're in on everything does not necessarily serve the -game itself-, you know?

I'm not trying to be harsh. The Unfiction peeps playing this game certainly dominate everything but the chip leaders, so I guess what I am saying is, the game should be the game, and it's not as though we're being kept in the dark. There's plenty of evidence indicating that we're doing a nice job of keeping the story rolling with what's been accomplished so far.

But there's so many other people out there playing, and I think they all deserve just as much of a chance of getting into a tournament and getting it right as we do.

[KermieD]

I think we're looking at this from 2 different perspectives. You're thinking of this as a poker site that happens to support an ARG. I think we have an ARG that happens to support a poker game. Again, the designers of the site have purposely built a "cheating" system into the game and I cannot think of another reason for them doing so if not to encourage us to finagle a way into the winner's circle.

I agree: The Game should be the game. We just differ on what The Game is. I think -the game itself- to borrow your words is the ARG, not the poker game. I've brought the site up to guys at work who play online for real and fake money and they all said they wouldn't even sign onto a site that made it this easy to collaborate.

[krystyn]

It's true that no one appears to be getting any real cash incentive from this game. But let's say that you're Joe Schmoe, and you were just some guy that liked to play online poker, and found lastcallpoker.com.

It was kinda laaaame, you know, to find out your winnings aren't really actually worth anything, but then you click around one day, and you see that hot chick with the tie, and those keyboards with the story bits, and you think, "heh, that was fun to read."

You get a little invested in the story, actually clicking on the cards listed at Top Players, meanwhile playing your best internet poker (going all-in before the flush, psyching out your opponents with, "haha i no u dun hav deuces leik me"). You rise through the ranks. You plan on being there Saturday when the chips reset, because you think you might have a couple of good questions to ask, but you're still not sure what this is all about. You just kinda wanna unlock something.

Saturday arrives. You're in 7th place, about to grab sixth, when suddenly, the board twitches, and 2 people squeeze in ahead of you. Dang.

No invitation email. You show up to the game to watch, anyway. Ah, they all know each other. These guys rigged it to get into the tournament. You decide to muck your interest in the game, and walk away. It was just some weird story website, anyway. Eff that, man.

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FWIW, I don't think there's any black and white about this, and my hypothetical is not a definite case, were we to try and work the system. I am just honestly concerned that even though there's an enthusiastic and positive desire to know everything that's going on, that desire is still not allowing the game to come first. There's a whole community out there, of which the denizens of this forum are a (sizeable) subset. I don't think it's particularly sporting to unwittingly deny someone new to ARGs, or someone outside our group the opportunity to play this game.

[KermieD]

Except for the fact that LCP points people here on their forums.

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[Phaedra]

Re: cheating

[MageSteff]

Poker is being use as a metaphor for Lucy's troubles and the solutions.

Bluffing, calling, cheating, beting (such as against Spider in the cat fight), going All In...

The two are inextricably linked together.

Props to the PM's for blurring the lines by allowing ordinary Poker players to be able to participate without needing to play the ARG to have fun. If nothing else it has exposed ARGs to a wider audience yet again.

Besides, as has been mentioned at the Tables it's "fake" money anyway. For once there is no limit to your bets if you want to just play poker and lose your shirt without losing your home (as Lucy did).


Can't we all just have a fun time?

[krystyn]

I like string!

[weephun]

meow .....

[riemanns]

aka: sandman. Glad everyone enjoyed the tourny. this is just a quick note about Private Messages. the first time I got booted was because 5 PM boxes tried to open at once. All of them contained helpful advice and questions I should have been asking. I was unable to reply to any PM while the game was on, presumably an anti-cheating mechanism. People then started sending messages asking why I was ignoring the questions they wanted asked and ignoring them. That was not helpful.
In future I'd recommend that audience members just put anything you want said in the main chat box and hope a player goes for it.

[Kjartan]

Isn't rigging it so we get in a lot like brute forcing our way in?

Just another though.

[RPGgame]

fine agreed let the poker players play in the tournament and use the main chat box to let the poker players know what to say. I am much happier with this solution to things.

[Arana]

The next tourney will certainly have a different makeup. For example, fast starter J_dot_J appears to have gone all-in one too many times this week as he now has a zero balance.

Ah, luck is so fleeting!