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Mark Twain said :

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"The loud little handful will shout for war. The pulpit will warily and cautiously protest at first…The great mass of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes, and will try to make out why there should be a war, and they will say earnestly and indignantly: 'It is unjust and dishonorable and there is no need for war.' Then the few will shout even louder…Before long you will see a curious thing: anti-war speakers will be stoned from the platform, and free speech will be strangled by hordes of furious men who still agree with the speakers but dare not admit it...Next, statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."

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Thank you, Tanner.
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Apologies to all who were offended or annoyed by this thread-jacking, it was my friend Stella who loves to get side-tracked into late-night political debates, i had only meant to make a sarcastic little point about the notion that if you dont talk about something it goes away, Sorry Rolling Eyes
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Embarassed My goodness. And I was just hoping to get my picture in the paper.

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EDIT: Spankit, have you tried a fulfilling Dominos Cheesy Bread lately? The best way to try this dish is to order some Sprite and ranch dip to go along. When your Cheesy Bread and soda arrive, pour the Sprite slowly into a cold glass. Then sit down in front of your favorite video game or anime, and carefully open the box of Cheesy Bread. Do not sip the soda first. Remove 1/2 stick of left-most bread, and allow its aroma to fill the room. Then pull the plastic tab on the ranch dip -- careful not to spill -- and place the broken end of the bread inside for no more than two seconds. Pull out, eat, and repeat with the rest of the bread. (drink Sprite as needed).

Enjoy! Very Happy

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Letters

Juxta wrote:
...all that is required now is for someone to use the "N*zi" word and ...


Isn't this an invocation of Quirk's Exception to Godwin's Law?

Also, I thought the letters in the current Sentinel were reminiscent of the Daily Mail letters - it shouldn't be allowed Wink

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Number9Dream - I don't think anyone was upset by it, but it was just veering off the PXC topic and into uncharted waters - no worries Smile

Judderman - Can't thank you enough - I *knew* that I'd read that theorem somewhere on the 'net, but just couldn't recall it's name. I wasn't actually invoking Quirk's Exception, as the purpose was not to bring about a premature halt, merely to redirect to a more appropriate location. But thank you again, I now have that linky'd up for future reference and pointing out thereof (but hopefully not to the sensible sorts who inhabit these boards)

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Does your friend Mr Stella know my friend Mres Bombay Sapphire? Wink
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Mokey Fraggle wrote:
Spankit, have you tried a fulfilling Dominos Cheesy Bread lately? The best way to try this dish is to order some Sprite and ranch dip to go along. When your Cheesy Bread and soda arrive, pour the Sprite slowly into a cold glass. Then sit down in front of your favorite video game or anime, and carefully open the box of Cheesy Bread. Do not sip the soda first. Remove 1/2 stick of left-most bread, and allow its aroma to fill the room. Then pull the plastic tab on the ranch dip -- careful not to spill -- and place the broken end of the bread inside for no more than two seconds. Pull out, eat, and repeat with the rest of the bread. (drink Sprite as needed).

Enjoy! Very Happy


Wow. Definitely have not tried that. I usually don't go for such a scientific approach to gorging myself with fatty foods. My theory is, if I just go all willy-nilly on the food (i.e., stuff the food in my face in whatever way feels most natural), eventually after doing it enough times I will find the perfect method and reach a state of "food-gorging nirvana". At that point, the cycle of ordering delivery and throwing out week old boxes will end and I will become one with the junk food. In other words, a massive blob of MSG will clog my heart and I'll die a most delicious death. But your method will most definitely be taken into consideration.
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Ah, the moral majority. Why is this no place to have political discussions? Because this is not the place - there are plenty of others, right? Why is passion frowned apon? Because it stifles "civilized" debate by introducing emotions. You and I Chris are a fading species. BUT, I will never believe that debate over great injustices should be confined to particular places and times. If by barreling this back and forth causes one person to lift their gaze from the sodding Taco Bell balanced on their belly, then the debate has been worthwhile. To whit:
EC wrote:
Yes. everyone stop thinking NOW
That hurt, Chris.
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It's curious you've highlighted the word 'invasion'-yes it was. We also invaded France in 1944. It's not a bad thing to do in some situations.
Wow. I'm not quite sure what to think about that statement. If, however I supress my humanist instinct (and my gag reflex) I'd have to say; maybe, but NOT in this situation. And seriously, if you think Dubya was intent on "rescuing" the Iraqi people, as the allies did in WW2... well perhaps we shouldn't be having this discussion
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For a nation to considered to have lost it's sovereignty (Self-governing; independent) it needs to satisfy some criteria. Here's four:
oh this is good; so it's ok to depose Saddam because Iraq has lost (WTF? According to who?) it's sovereignty because it:
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1) Participates in regular acts of aggression against other states
USA anyone? (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua...)Or Britain? (Congo, India, Australia...)
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2) Violates the letter or spirit of the non proliferation treaty
USA again?
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3) Violates the genocide convention
...sigh USA, Britain (I have a feeling this claim may inflame so...) British military involvement in the colonisation of both India and Australia has been described as Genocide or attempted genocide by amnesty international as has the American bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam war.
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4) Plays hosts to international terrorists
As has been pointed out many times, Iraq did not host any al qaeda cells, until the Coalition forces invaded!
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Iraq did this on many occasions. It's sovereignty was at an end.
So... what, do we start the bombing of America and Britain now? Depose Dubya? Will the Poms greet us with flowers in the ruins of Trafalgar square, do you think?
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And Iraq was a happy kite flying country beforehand, innocents weren't dying? You're right, there are absolutes and you've left your morality at the airport.
jesus Chris, that's harsh. Yes, for fuckload of people it was. Does America deserve that sort of treatment for it's blatant policy of black american subjugation? NO! not everyone in the USA is happy with the way the country is run but it's their country to run how they see fit. Whether you like it or not.
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What's your email address? I'll respond to this but I feel everyone, myself included, is slightly embarrassed by this thread. It's not really the right place for it.

However highlighting pre-war colonialism to combat an argument about a convention written in 1951 strikes me as somewhat odd, making equalities between George Bush and Saddam Hussein and the moral similarity of Iraq and Britain is simply bizarre and any argument that Iraq was actaully a nice place for a 'fuckload of people' (other than for nihalists, imperialists or racists) is horrible.

And no, I doubt the British would respond to Australian troops generously deposing Tony Blair in that way. They had the ability to vote for him and have the ability to vote him out of office. Now, thankfully, these people have the ability to do something similar.



The last time they got to vote the winner got 100%-popular bloke.

And that you had to supress a humanist instinct to come to the conclusion that it may have been a good idea to invade France and fight fascisim speaks volumes.

Read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520245555/qid=1129624451/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-1840429-3469402
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Dogshead: I kind of resent the implication that I'm some sort of fatass moron who doesn't think about anything but "the sodding Taco Bell balanced on [my] belly" (in my defense, I'm actually quite scrawny) while you and Chris are civilized intellectuals who enjoy discussing international politics. The only reason I was being sarcastic and silly about this whole discussion is because it's taking place in an alternate reality gaming forum. There are so many fora on the internet in which you can discuss this topic from now until the Big Crunch. People don't come here to get yet another dose of reality, they come here to escape it (hence the A in ARG). This is not a matter of frowning upon passion and emotions. The real question you should be asking yourself is "why am I posting this information on this particular forum?"

I realize that this has been made a separate topic now for the sole purpose of providing you with an unForums outlet for political debate, but I just wanted to justify my previous rants about the cheesy goodness of crappy pseudo-Mexican food. Sorry if I sound a lot more hostile in this post then in my other ones, it's just that I'm just kind of hungry right now and Bush-bashing (as much as I love it) is not filling my belly.
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Spankit wrote:

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Sorry if I sound a lot more hostile in this post then in my other ones, it's just that I'm just kind of hungry right now and Bush-bashing (as much as I love it) is not filling my belly.


Cheesy Bread, Spankit. Don't forget the ranch. Drown your political sorrows in Domino's, who is always there for you. Very Happy

And, friends, let's all keep in mind the logical fallacy that reminds us to attack the argument rather than the person. Not only is bashing the opposition a fallacy, it's irritating. Wink

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Global apology folks - child on the the way has my stress levels peaking - you're right, I should leave it outside although I am usually fain to do so. I wasn't really referring to you Spanky, I love your dancing too much for that, but weirdly enough, that same day I had someone attempt to repeatedly derail a political discussion i was having with the use of fast food(!) Weird and infuriating. I appologise. I am attack dog at the mo. Crying or Very sad
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No apologies needed. It's a well-known fact that the best way to avoid a political discussion is with fast food (anyone else remember the SNL skit with Bill Clinton in McDonalds discussing the conflict in Somalia?). And congratulations on the child, DogsHead!
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Yes! Very Happy Hooray for your baby! Rock On How much longer until we have a new, little PPC member?

It's never too young... Flaming Nutter

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