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JTony
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Tony, not so good

I didnt see anyone mention the update on Tony Viet's page.

Saw it coming.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:49 pm
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Speaker
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So in Comic07 we find out how Lucky got the gun...


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Mueller shot Whitecloud for Svetlana.
Maurice witnessed it (after being serviced)...
He grabbed the colt off whitecloud and shot Mueller
Lucky came out, took the rap for the shooting and also took the gun


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Also, Maria is definitely M. Halder's name but there's no card under Martin or Maria. Yet anyway.


As a result of the poker game, two refugees (Henryk Halder and Pia Koch) died... 5 survived. And someone won the Nazi gold.

Lucky's final comments say Martin Halder lost his/her life... but the game was for Henryk Halder. So, not sure if this means M. Halder is dead or wot.
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As it pertains to the text at the bottom of the picture at http://www.lastcallpoker.com/user/svetlanayugrina/gra_nuanced/ (Nuanced @ Svetlana's profile), here is what I've got so far:

Russian Text: Васильев, подумала она. - Сволочь.
Возможно, пришло время задуматься об зтом как следует.

Babelfish translation: Vasil'yev, it thought. - bastard. Possibly, arrived time to think about by ztom as it follows.

systransoft.com translation: Vasil'yev, it thought. - it dragged. Possibly, arrived time it thought about by ztom as it follows.

Another translation: Vasilev, it has thought. - the Swine.
Probably, time about ztom has come to reflect as follows.
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blifaloo
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Speaker wrote:


Lucky's final comments say Martin Halder lost his/her life... but the game was for Henryk Halder. So, not sure if this means M. Halder is dead or wot.


Lucky's comments seem to have been corrected to say Henryk died.

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Oddities and Parallels

Oddities and parallels

Tony Hanging... the random SD hanging...

Anyone else noticed that at the 2:28 marker on the Tony hanging, the outdoor shot has a bit of a security fence (not to mention the inside has an "institutional" feel with cinderblock walls, cement floors and shower rooms)...

And Svetlana's [url=javascript: MM_openBrWindow('svetlanayugrina/gra_nuanced/','Details','scrollbars=yes,width=515,height=400')]Nuanced[/url] photo?

If the current timeline is parallel to the WWII time line then... Lucy is going to need to be at a poker game as a ringer. And Clay Sizemore (preacher/priest) may be killed the night before that game.

Does that make Matt Viet a parallel for Martin? With Tony as his parent figure?
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Omnie
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jamesi wrote:
As it pertains to the text at the bottom of the picture at http://www.lastcallpoker.com/user/svetlanayugrina/gra_nuanced/ (Nuanced @ Svetlana's profile)...


Courtesy of my mom:

Vasilyev, - she thought - son of a bitch.
Maybe it's time to think about this properly (or, to take proper measures).

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Re: Oddities and Parallels

Magesteff wrote:

Does that make Matt Viet a parallel for Martin? With Tony as his parent figure?


Wouldn't Corazon be Martin's parallel, considering the whole she-male thing?

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Omnie
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jamesi wrote:
асильевутчкзтиофицерыконтактировалисиностранцамитчкимнеобходи
моследоватьспоездомтчконидолжныосознатькаконизаблуждалисьтчкк
рыленковвюгринасд


my mom wrote:
To Vasilyev:

Those officers had contacts with foreigners. They had to follow by train. They have to understand that they are wrong.

Krilenko VV Yugrina SD


(I think the VV, SD are initials, perhaps?)

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Re: Oddities and Parallels

j5 wrote:
Magesteff wrote:

Does that make Matt Viet a parallel for Martin? With Tony as his parent figure?


Wouldn't Corazon be Martin's parallel, considering the whole she-male thing?


Hmmmm... could be. With Kerry as the parent.
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Re: Oddities and Parallels

j5 wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
Does that make Matt Viet a parallel for Martin? With Tony as his parent figure?

Wouldn't Corazon be Martin's parallel, considering the whole she-male thing?

I don't think so. I think "the Kid" is Matt in 2005, and Maria in 1945. (And yes, I think Martin is a girl disguised as a boy, and not the other way around.) Polaris was very specific about "the Kid" in his first poker game today -- he corrected some folks who (like me) thought that Jerry Monteverde was "the Kid," responding, "Jerry is A kid," but not THE Kid. THE Kid is the one who was with the German Priest, Father Mueller -- i.e., Martin/Maria.

Personally, I'm leaning towards the conclusion that Corazon is intended to represent "the Half-breed." Thoughts?
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I suppose one could take either conclusion for who the kid was. Reading through it, it seemed to me that Polaris was saying that Jerry M. was the kid (as in Lucky's story metaphore), but Polaris was referring to the actual kid who was with the priest (Martin/Maria). He clarifies this point by saying, "He's 11." Polaris' goal there was to get us to uncover the Priest's card, after all.
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rose
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regarding the messages:
from previous update we know about the treasure(from Otto Griff) and about the train (message to polaris from Ludwig Stern aka ursa minor)

so today we find that


1. Father Mueller sends a Morse Code message about the location of the treasure to Svetlana Yugrina. (or is it information about the train... with his brother on it?) Note: Father Mueller does not know where the treasure is, but Martin does know the location.

2. Svetlana extends her retirement based on information she received about the train. (really, I think it was because of the rumour of treasure she hears) (from where? Mueller?) Svetlana goes to meet Mueller in the Metropole. Instead she runs into polaris who she knew from earlier in the war. She plays cards with him.

3. Polaris tells Johnny about the train in Nurenburg filled with Germans being sent to the Eastern sector. They attempt to steal the train with fake orders. Vasiley wakes up Svetlana to check a confirmation of the orders.

3. The attempt to steal the train fails. Vasiley gets a message from someone listing the Russian officers that had contact with American officers. Father Mueller intercepts it and tells Svetlana.

These officers are to be put on the train? Or follow the train? Svetlana is one of the two officers mentioned-- probably because of her contacts with Polaris or possibly because of the attempted train heist.

4. Johnny and Martin tell Polaris about the treasure. Svetlana agrees to play cards for the gold and the refugees. She prepares to deal with the threat from Vasiley (under the nuance picture) by escaping.

5. Otto tells Svetlana he knows about the game. ( how did he find out?) She refuses his help, but realizes that he may have made a deal with Reed or Johnny. She forces Father Mueller to shot Johnny. Seeing this, Maurice pulls Johnny's Colt and kills Mueller. Lucky agrees to cover for Maurice and goes to the stockade for him. So Lucky can't play in the game but he gets the Colt.


does this make sense? i am not sure about the Russian messages, even with the excellent translations. Smile
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Re: Oddities and Parallels

Shad0 wrote:
j5 wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
Does that make Matt Viet a parallel for Martin? With Tony as his parent figure?

Wouldn't Corazon be Martin's parallel, considering the whole she-male thing?

I don't think so. I think "the Kid" is Matt in 2005, and Maria in 1945. (And yes, I think Martin is a girl disguised as a boy, and not the other way around.) Polaris was very specific about "the Kid" in his first poker game today -- he corrected some folks who (like me) thought that Jerry Monteverde was "the Kid," responding, "Jerry is A kid," but not THE Kid. THE Kid is the one who was with the German Priest, Father Mueller -- i.e., Martin/Maria.

Personally, I'm leaning towards the conclusion that Corazon is intended to represent "the Half-breed." Thoughts?


Yeah, I was just joking around. I agree that Maria is being disguised as a boy (note the distinct lack of interest in the B-girl?). It may be the case that we haven't seen "the kid" circa 2005 yet.

And as far as parallels go, what do you think about Don --> Otto.
huh? huh? How 'bout that then? Yeah, I thought so.
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rose
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boy or girl

About the Kid's gender:

rose: which priest?
polaris: The German guy.

Shadow: Forgive me, I'm new here. Who's the Priest, Captain?
polaris: With the kid
rose: you mean the daughter? the one you needed to find?
......
polaris: nah, boy.
.....
rose: the boy that ottos friends followed?
Shadow: The one that Otto sent Ernst after.
polaris: yeah

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Polaris is adamant that it is a boy. Even after I asked if he meant the daughter. It turns out they are the same person. He would know as he knows the parents.

Anyway that is a minor detail at this point. But I do think part of the Corazon story was to get us in the frame of mind to see that this "daughter" could also be a boy.

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About who is which archetype:

1945:

Sheriff - Svetlana
Killer - Maurice
Banker - Otto?
Kid - Martin
Half-Breed - John Whitecloud
Gambler - Lucky
Drunk - Reed
Preacher - Father Mueller


2005

Sheriff - Don McPherson
Killer - Kerry
Banker - Maurice
Kid - Matt Viet
Gambler - Lucy
Drunk - William Shiner
Preacher - Clay
Half-Breed - Spider or Corazon or Tony Viet

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A historical note

I was confused by the use of the train and the forced movement of people. The people on the train are not prisoners or concentration camp survivors ( though some of them may be.) The people on the train are German refugees being moved from Czechoslovokia, which was being occupied by the Soviets, to the Eastern sector of Germany. The history is based more on geography than anything else. The point is that the Soviets were clearing the Germans out of Sudentland, now a part of Soviet controlled Czechoslovakia, with the intent of killing any prominent Germans that were anti-communisit/ socialist. And any spies that had contact with Western agents.

[Gross oversimplification follows:]
Mueller's brother is an economist. He advocated two leading economists who are famous for their proofs that socialism can not succeed as an economic force because the central planners can never have enough information to allocate efficiently - Von Mises and Hayek. His being anti-collectivism and totalitarianism made him a threat to the Soviet system. That is why he was asked for by name and put on the train to the Eastern sector of Germany.

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So, where is Jerry in all of that? If he's not one of the eight, why are they following his story with Mitzi? Most bit characters don't have more than one or two updates, even if they're probably going to come up again (like spider, vaquero and devon). And, Jerry seems pretty upset about Mitzi...desperate men do desperate things.
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