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draghkar
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By the way Jordan signed the email:

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See Always Clear


I presume he already knows that there is another part to his site. I also presume that he would have found out by now if he has checked his images page, since the new image is there. Telling him or not, might be a test again, and upon the wrong action might either trigger trust or another angry reaction.

I personally think that we should send him a message with a message saying that we found out that someone hacked his site and in such "warning" him that we are on his side. preventing an anger spree of some sort..

What do you guys think?

greetz,

D.
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Behind the curtain information.... (PM Revealed?)

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Just did a search for Claire Byrne and Stephen Byrne and i came to the following website:

http://www.petitiononline.com/xblnow/petition.html

The petitioner is Stephen byrne who happens to be rip2roar

looks to me that our pm is rip2roar eh?



Greetz,

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My english fails me with this one:
(Jordan:) "You seem to know more than you let on before so I will not hesitate in giving you any information anymore." Does that mean "I will give you answers on the right questions as far as I am able to."???

And I also don't know the meaning of this one
(Jordan:) "She is like a woman on the inside." Does he say:"She is inside the server." or does he mean:"I got to know her better and if you take a look inside her, she is not much a serialkiller as everybody else of us is, now."


In our email to Jordan we should catch up with the things he has answered already in his last mail. So it is even unclear, what kind of cooperation he and Anne are up to ((Jordan:) "She helps. I help her"). Is she really killing those others (with the transmitter?), then why does Jordan help her? Or is she helping them to get out of wherever they are? Another thing: If she kills them, why do the others don't mention any dead bodies lying around?


Jordan answers my question about the fool this way: "There are others though that the term has been used for." Who is he referring to? Does that link to Carl also (Take into account that we have got that suspicious message from someone who didn't tell his/her name. The message was: "I don't trust him.")

Draghkar wrote:
... with a message saying that we found out that someone hacked his site and in such "warning" him that we are on his side. preventing an anger spree of some sort..

If my translation (see first quote) is right, then why do we concern about preventing an anger of some sort. Let's just ask him, what we want to know and then we tell him the message, we were told to tell him? Finally we should answer his question (Jordan:) "This is important information.Did this come straight from Anne?
How can this be?Is it a sick joke or are your sources legit."
or question him back on that "What difference does it make if this is not from Anne?"

Maybe we can meet in the chat at a time that everybody feels okay with, so we can talk about all that stuff. In my opinion we should meet before 22h (German time), let's say 21.30h. So we have time to send the mail to Jordan and he may answer it till the next day then. What do you guys think about that?
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PatRol wrote:

My english fails me with this one:
(Jordan:) "You seem to know more than you let on before so I will not hesitate in giving you any information anymore." Does that mean "I will give you answers on the right questions as far as I am able to."???


The way I see it is that he has created a trust bond with you and that he will try to give you the answers to your questions without hesitation. (so long as the trust lasts of course)

PatRol wrote:

And I also don't know the meaning of this one
(Jordan:) "She is like a woman on the inside." Does he say:"She is inside the server." or does he mean:"I got to know her better and if you take a look inside her, she is not much a serialkiller as everybody else of us is, now."

She is the person that infiltrated in the organisation, a spy as you wish. (or at least thats how I do the interpretation) This might lead to the fact that we might trust Anne more than we do now, personally i still have my reservations about trusting Anne

PatRol wrote:

Maybe we can meet in the chat at a time that everybody feels okay with, so we can talk about all that stuff. In my opinion we should meet before 22h (German time), let's say 21.30h. So we have time to send the mail to Jordan and he may answer it till the next day then. What do you guys think about that?


Seems like a great idea to me...

Greetz,

Draghkar
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PatRol wrote:

My english fails me with this one:
(Jordan:) "You seem to know more than you let on before so I will not hesitate in giving you any information anymore." Does that mean "I will give you answers on the right questions as far as I am able to."???
So draghkar wrote:
The way I see it is that he has created a trust bond with you and that he will try to give you the answers to your questions without hesitation. (so long as the trust lasts of course)

Could mean: trust me to leave no question unanswered.... if it will do you any good??.... We don't have to trust everuthing he says but we can sure pump him for every scrap of info (cryptic or not) he's willing to give.

Then PatRol wrote:

And I also don't know the meaning of this one
(Jordan:) "She is like a woman on the inside." Does he say:"She is inside the server." or does he mean:"I got to know her better and if you take a look inside her, she is not much a serialkiller as everybody else of us is, now."
And draghkar wrote:
She is the person that infiltrated in the organisation, a spy as you wish. (or at least thats how I do the interpretation) This might lead to the fact that we might trust Anne more than we do now, personally i still have my reservations about trusting Anne
*Puppy starts singing- She can kill with a smile, she can wound with her eyes. (some more lyrics) But she's always a woman to meeeeeee.
But just because she's been acused of murder and the blood on the transmitter...... Ok this does add up to murder but there is no evidence. Indeed no body (yet) and frankly only conjecture. It does not look good for Anne but lets wait a bit before jumping to conclusions.

PatRol also wrote:

Maybe we can meet in the chat at a time that everybody feels okay with, so we can talk about all that stuff. In my opinion we should meet before 22h (German time), let's say 21.30h. So we have time to send the mail to Jordan and he may answer it till the next day then. What do you guys think about that?
Logically draghkar wrote:
Seems like a great idea to me...
Dunno yet if I can make it but will try.
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Another thing that i have noticed is that Jin supposedly was taken from Paris, however in the list she was taken from tokyo.

The only ones in paris are: NOBODY!

The closest ones in france are:Claire Aural (lyon) and Jean Flouer (nancy)

Does this mean that they really are implanted some memories? My question then is.. what is true and what is false?

Greetz,

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My apologies on earlier.

The email was from Carl Jackson, not Carl Stephenson.

I just remembered it was BoysName-Son, so made an educated guess Razz.

I still don't trust Anne.

Lisa was, for all intents and purposes, a good guy. Anne scared her and possibly killed her with the transmittor.

Questions for Anne/Carl - Is Anne injured in some way? (If it's Anne's blood on the transmittor, then Lisa escaped, or at least, fought back).

Question for Jordan - How did you first come to know Anne?
- Why did you try to convince us she was a murderess?

That's all I can think of for now.

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i can't make it into irc chat-- but i vote to send the link to jordan
and press him harder on his relationship to anne and dr. munchen--
he is sooo not who he says he is.. perhaps pat should be the contact
to jordan.. jordan is more forthcoming with him and gives him
more than one word answers.. go pat Cool
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i doubt i could make it to the chat either, unfortunately.

i have, however, drafted an email for jordan. take a look and tell me what you think.

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Jordan,

Several pieces of information have come to light that have my friends and I confused. I'm hoping that you will be able to clear up some of the questions that we have now that we trust one another. I hope it doesn't overwhelm you, but I have quite a luandry list of questions. In return, please feel free to ask any questions you may have of us and we will try to respond as quickly and completely as possible.

1. You wrote to Patrick: "Yes I have had contact[with Anne].She is like a woman on the inside." Could you elaborate on that? When did you first meet her? What was the extent of your contact? What do you mean by "a woman on the inside"? Recent events have made us question our trust in Anne, so do you have any more information about her that could either calm or corroborate our suspicions?

2. You also wrote to Patrick "[Anne]helps.I help her." What is she up to? What is she helping you with? What are you helping her with? Again, we have reason to question her loyalties, so we are concerned she may be tricking you.

3. Do you know that there is a new page on your site? index2.html? Did you create that or is that the work of someone else?

4. Have you had contact with Carl? If so, can you tell us what he's up to? Is he working with you and Anne?

Now that we trust each other, is there anything you wish to know from us?

Here's my thinking: I'm getting more and more suspicious of Jordan. Something is not right. We need to make Jordan think we trust him, but keep our reserve. I think it is safe to assume he knows about index2.html, so "warning" him about is a good PR move. We know Carl claims authorship of the page, so asking him about it is a good test. I'll send the email shortly if I don't get any responses asking for additions or removals.

@PatRol: Don't blame your knowledge of English. English is my native and only language and I don't know what the heck Jordan is talking about, either! He is being very ambiguous in an already ambiguous language! Rolling Eyes

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just a thought, but shouldnt we ask jordan to post the real page 3 of 92? and tell us more about the book?

there still might be some info in there that we need to have..

just my 2cts

greetz,

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i've asked jordan to upload more of munchen's book
three times and he keeps telling me to be patient
and that he's working on it--
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draghkar wrote:
just a thought, but shouldnt we ask jordan to post the real page 3 of 92? and tell us more about the book?


i agree and will add the following to my email:
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5. Do you intend to post this "page 3 of 92"? I understand you may not have all the time in the world, but scanning a page and posting an image really takes little time.

6. Can you share any more information for us about this book you pruchased?


Anything else? I plan to send the email tonight (about 3-4 hours from now), so if you have any more input, now's the time!

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I'd like to know a bit more about his motivation.

1)Following a 'deadman' isn't a very straightforward thing to come up with. Him being 63 (was it?) and all. How long is he at it and why.. what does he expect to gain?

2) Sure looks like we get more info in a few weeks then he did in all those years(?). Is he happy with our progress and/or annoyed he missed and (I guess) is still missing out on the events as we have contact he only seems to dream about.
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Sorry Puppy_Zwolle, I sent the email before reading your post. I'd say go ahead and ask him those questions in your own email. Probably better that way anyway because mine was getting a bit lengthy it seems and Jordan doesn't really deal well with long letters.

Here's the email I sent, basically just a combination of above posts:

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Jordan,

Several pieces of information have come to light that have my friends and I confused. I'm hoping that you will be able to clear up some of the questions that we have now that we trust one another. I hope it doesn't overwhelm you, but I have quite a laundry list of questions. In return, please feel free to ask any questions you may have of us and we will try to respond as quickly and completely as possible. It is only through a complete exchange of information that we can hope to achieve our goals in this situation.

1. You wrote to Patrick: "Yes I have had contact [with Anne]. She is like a woman on the inside." Could you elaborate on that? When did you first meet her? What was the extent of your contact? What do you mean by "a woman on the inside"? Recent events have made us question our trust in Anne, so do you have any more information about her that could either calm or corroborate our suspicions?

2. You also wrote to Patrick "[Anne] helps.I help her." What is she up to? What is she helping you with? What are you helping her with? Again, we have reason to question her loyalties, so we are concerned she may be tricking you.

3. Do you know that there is a new page on your site? index2.html? Did you create that or is that the work of someone else?

4. Have you had contact with Carl? If so, can you tell us what he's up to? Is he working with you and Anne?

5. Do you intend to post this "page 3 of 92"? I understand you may not have all the time in the world, but scanning a page and posting an image really takes little time.

6. Can you share any more information for us about this book you purchased?

Is there anything you wish to know from us?

Awaiting your reply,
Caspian X


We'll see what happens. In the mean time, has anyone heard from any of our server friends?

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Got a response:

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Hello Again
When I used the phrase "she is like a woman on the inside" I meant that
without
people like her the servers could not be run.If I were to relate it to
something else I would to God and and the Pope in the Catholic religion.God
watches his creation from the outside,tweaking,monitoring,fixing.He needs men
like the Pope and Priests to do the physical not spiritual job.

Believe me, Anne is not tricking me.I would have more reason to believe that I
have tricked her.She does not know the full extent of her existence and
purpose
but I have promised her rewards in the end.

New page?That is far but new.Infact there should be a password on it.Someone
must have hacked it.I will leave it open because I am sure you do not know its
full meaning.

Carl?I have watched him many a times.To sneaky for his own good."Oh the
world is
against me!"Thats how he ended up dead.

I shall scan and post them as soon as I can.I am quite busy with other work

The book.I will scan and post pages from it onto the main site in the next few
days

Thank you for a letter which is far superior to that of your friends
Peace Out
Jordan


Something doesn't make sense here. When we first mentioned Anne, Jordan was extremely skeptical and thought we were making the whole thing up. Now he speaks as if she's been working for him for a while. It also sounds like he is in charge of the servers (making him one of "them" unless I am vastly mistaken).

A few possibilities spring to mind:
- The person communicating to us now as Jordan is an imposter.
- Jordan has drastically changed since we first met him. Perhaps something to do with the "reinsertion" we read about.
- Jordan runs the servers and simply posted the stuff about looking for Dr. Munchen to use us as spies on the matzai people
- Others...?

In any case, I think we need to plot our next steps. Unless I am mistaken, our main goal is to understand what is happening at these servers and most likely free these people, if they are in fact physical people that can be freed.

Am I correct in assuming that if Jordan runs the servers, that makes him our enemy?

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