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Puppy_Zwolle
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 		When Jordan says he did not contact us he is right. People from the server contacted us, gave us his adress and we contacted him. Him still baffeled by why.

I doubt he is working for 'the good of mankind.' He is working. The system works. Now it looks like Dr. Munchen escaped. How? With his body? Or did he get reincerted with his memory intact?

Combining these two enigma's (and other input):

1.) Why would Dr. Munchen want any attention drawn to his escape? He needs help? He is already out. He wants us to get informed? Why let us get informed by "the opposing force"? The Matzai seem to know nothing so thats no real option but still an odd choice. Let us inform the Matzai? Of what?

2.) Dr. Munchens writings are our only source of his idea's and plans. Stangely we get those through "the opposing force". Why? Why let us in on that apperant big secret? I mean they don't wipe minds to not keep it a secret.

3.) If I get this right Munchen escaped with his body. His 'dead', virus infected and again dieing body. So to make himself immortal (IF it is his goal to permanetly escape the server) he must have a viruskiller or does he already have this?

3.) Jordan states: "You have given me what I want.I now know the exact position of my target." Through us he learned already where dr. Munchen is? Is the dr. his targetSomehow there must be something we missed? Probably me. Wink

4.) The codes from the server-list. Could they be listing of the original soul? . After being reinserted the name gets deleted (wiped). A new identity starts for an old soul. New name same id-number. Maybe even coded into the nano-virusses. The codes could serve a second (game)purpose also.

Some metaphysical questions:
What part is in the server? Is it the body, the soul, both? What do they put the virusses in if it is reinserted into a new body? The soul?

Why is the soul still refered to as that person? Even if that name is converted to 01001101 01111001 00100000 01101110 01100001 01101101 01100101, why do that? The whole purpose is making a clean slate. I would guess start with removing the name.

The soul becomes the selfinfecting part of the new entity. As a matter of paradox: The immortal soul is the cause of death. Chillin'.

Concluding:
Jordans problem is not Dr. Munchen as a person. It is the fact that it could happen. If it happens ones it can happen again. (or already has happened before. He talks about the dr. as if this was expected at least his mind staying lucid. How could he know if it didn't happen before.).
Somebody sentient enough to be aware of the server and even escape from it.

I think this is the revolution. The reversal of the docile sheep back to lucid state to start with (and become ancient again. I write ancient as they knew death just not aging it seems.)

Jordan has the whole thing set up as a trap to catch all and root out this revolution. At least he says he's smart. Why else make this connection in this world?
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Obes
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 		This is a completely wayyyyy out spec.. but I always was a bit crazy.

'Born Beyond Belief' - Belief of christian religion is that the soul enters heaven. To be Born Beyond this belief is to be put into a new body after this death, ie, to be reincarnated.

When referring to 66, Born Beyond Belief, we can shorten it to 66 BBB. B = 2nd letter. BBB = 2+2+2 = 6. Therefore, number = 666 = number of the beast.

If you can follow that bit, have a cookie and then continue reading.

So, we have the idea of the eternal soul being returned to a new body, but memory removed. The idea of an afterlife is removed completely, and the soul is doomed to spend eternity moving from body to body. The descriptions and horrors found in the server (remember there's an axe murderer in there) suggests that in fact the Matzai are in 'Hell', not 'Heaven' (I use the terms in ''s because I'm not christian, or religiously inclined).

As Jordan is shown to be 'evil', and rules over this 'hell', it is possible he is therefore Lucifer/Devil/Demonic. This spec is supported by my 666 theory above.

I suggest therefore that the re-programming codes are used to release said souls into the afterlife, OR to continue their torment. Therefore, we must determine their exact use, then look for a way to release the souls from their eternal cycle.

Jordan suggested that he can issue the 'taking'. This suggests that the 'taking' is NOT the only possible outcome. I point people back to my earlier post about 'sin'. I therefore summarize that we must free the souls of the matzai from their eternal torment and cycle, and return them to the pleasant 'afterlife'.

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 		Re: [CONFIDENTIAL, MOST SECRET]
caspian_x wrote:
I plan to continue this double agent role as long as it is helpful to us.


Wow, i was still agonizing about how to do this good-guy-bad-guy thing (like good-cop-bad-cop) and you already realized it Wink Good job then. Keep it up and keep us informed as far as you can.

We cannot shut up out of a sudden and stop writing to Jordan because that would make him think of something is going wrong. So, yes, we have to think twice, what we are now going to write in our emails to him. Let's go on and keep this "63-years aged" guy busy with our questions. Even if he replies with his one-sentence answers.

I wonder if those "taken" people are really experiencing life in the server or if they only dream of living in the servers sharing their thoughts with all the other "taken" ones as long as their mind has not been wiped. Referring to the blood on the transmitter and to the conversations we had with them, i believe those people are "taken" with their bodies into the server and they are really alive in there, not only dreaming. If so, i have a problem in seeing them as souls for souls have no body from my point of view.

It was Dr. Munchen, who lead us to the menace-media.com site. He pointed us to Jordan and Jordan was always concerned with Dr. Munchen. Why did Dr. Munchen tell us about the website? Why didn't he say "Here is an e-mail-address of Sean, one of Peter and one of ... Ask them for my letters!"? (I know, we were told the website-address by Lisa and not by Dr. Munchen, but he could have told Lisa about the e-mail-adresses as well.)
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 		Nice one and not at all strange.
Obes wrote:
66, Born Beyond Belief, ... BBB = 2+2+2 = 6. Therefore, number = 666 = number of the beast.... he is therefore Lucifer/Devil/Demonic.

I already made that connection But you did the backup. Nice I buy it.
Puppy_Zwolle wrote:
He may be what we would call Lucifer incarnate

Cept for the hell part. They are just dead people. Good and bad as far as we can tell. So basically the same makeup as you woiuld see on the street. Ok, close to hell.

Still.

There is no afterlife if the server is out of bizz. At least.... the story tells me so. What do you offer? Eternal life? *shudders*

PatRol wrote:
he could have told Lisa about the e-mail-adresses as well.)
Indeed. the big issue. Why point to "the enemy" at all?
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Puppy_Zwolle wrote:
PatRol wrote:
he could have told Lisa about the e-mail-adresses as well.)
Indeed. the big issue. Why point to "the enemy" at all?


I have been wondering the same thing. The only thing I can think of is that Jordan said his index2 page was definitely not new. So perhaps at the time Dr. Munchen shouted "menace-media" (in binary...by the way, you try shouting something in binary while you're being "taken"...you won't get very far...but I digress...) the site was merely a record of the takings like we see at index2. He was probably hoping that someone would investigate and discover the truth.

So other than waiting around for Dr. Munchen to make contact, what else can we do? 66 is probably our best bet, but it sounds like we're going to have to get that from Jordan. Oh right, that'd be me. ::puts on double agent hat::

EDIT: By the way, we need a name for ourselves. It's getting very confusing talking to Jordan about you all as my "friends" when I'm supposedly his "friend" now and I'm supposedly betraying my "friends" etc. etc. How about beekeepers? No wait, I think that may have been used before...

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 		I think that Jordan has the only copy of BBB, and BBB contains the way out. We need Jordan to obtain BBB and to show the way out to the matzai.

Or at least thats what I think.

Greetz,

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 		I believe we should be known as 'The Obolus'.

The Obolus was the coin placed under the tongue of a corpse before the burial rites in greek mythology. The coin was used as payment for Charon.

Without The Obolus, you cannot traverse the underworld Wink.

Obes.
No Connection to Obolus..

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 		i'm on board with the obes "beast theory"-- (just finished my cookie:D )
it is backed up by the draghkar and dr. munchen chat

Quote:
riddle mask says: He shall give the answers
riddle mask says: The almighty
Draghkar says: is this one called Jordan?
riddle mask says: He has no name to me
riddle mask says: Betrayed the name of mystery
Draghkar says: is he like god?
riddle mask says: He believes his world to be true and just
riddle mask says: But his love for that world to grow shall just be lust


i don't know how much more dr. munchen can give us-- he actually needs our help now.. we must get to this 66 -- (wink-wink caspian_x)

i know its a little gurlie but we could call ourselves the "lilies"
the lily is the symbol of Gabriel and Gabriel is the archangel
that guides the souls (he supposedly sits to the left of God)
edit: or we could be the jordacobins.. kinda a mix of "jordan"
and "jacobins" -- and you blend them and get "jordacobins"
and if you say it fast it is fun on the tongue-- ehem*cough
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 		Sent an email to Jordan asking him to send me page 66. In dark, secret agent spy talk of course. Wink

Also, since we are potentially looking to stop Project Menace, perhaps we could call ourselves something like Menace Media Menace or Menace Menace or Menace Squared or Menace 2 or UnMenace or...you know, Menace is a very funny sounding word if you repeat it over and over... hooray for attention span.... Cool

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 		What about Mediators, unMediators or Menace-Mediators ? (Uhm... Raiders of the lost files is out of poll! Wink )
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 		As we are going to change the world by judging a 1000's of years old 'man' why not go angelic?

Qaddisin (Holy Ones) - Twin angels (who's counting?) who, with the Twin Irin, constitute the supreme judgment council of the heavenly court.

And it sounds and looks nice also.
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shylilembrace
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 		shy says:
Dr. Munchen
shy says:
?
Munchen says:
My name is Oliver
shy says:
hello Oliver
shy says:
what are you using to communicate and why am i interesteD?
Munchen says:
I am flickering
Munchen says:
Jumping in and out of the servers without trying
shy says:
interesting
shy says:
like hackers do?
Munchen says:
I must explain my escape
shy says:
go ahead
Munchen says:
When the light takes you through the servers roof you twirl through tunnels with so much light you cannot see
shy says:
wow
Munchen says:
Something binds your hands and feet together
shy says:
that sounds fun
Munchen says:

Invisible to your eye
shy says:
paranormal in origin?
shy says:
or physical
Munchen says:
Paranormal
Munchen says:
Then you are docked
Munchen says:
Placed in a long row of people
Munchen says:
These people were me
Munchen says:
All to my left
Munchen says:
Me from my taking down to the day I was born
shy says:
extraterrestial?
Munchen says:
One by one your mind travels down through the bodies
shy says:
or "the ghost in the machine"
Munchen says:
You get younger
shy says:
wow
shy says:
heh
shy says:
sounds like prime intellect
Munchen says:
I got to me age fifteen
Munchen says:
Thats when it stopped
Munchen says:
Through my own actions
shy says:
how young did it want you?
shy says:
and can it only be stopped through force of mind?
Munchen says:
Yes
Munchen says:
I concentrated hard on what I wanted and the ties broke
Munchen says:
Then there was a room
Munchen says:
White like the tunnels
Munchen says:
I opened a door and I was out
Munchen says:
On a beach
shy says:
strange
shy says:
and where did the beach lead?
Munchen says:
Ever since my mind has flickered between the servers and this beach
shy says:
whats on the beach?
Munchen says:
Nothing,I have not walked far enough
shy says:
try
shy says:
seems you control this reality with the projections of your thoughts
Munchen says:
Every few steps then I am back to the servers where I am now
shy says:
force it to bend to your will
Munchen says:
Yes
Munchen says:
Any more questions my friend
shy says:
none that i can think of
shy says:
except who are you
Munchen says:
I am Dr.Oliver Munchen of Cologne Germany
Munchen says:
But I must go
shy says:
and why are you telling me all this?
Munchen says:
I shall be back on soon
Munchen says:
I need your help
shy says:
why mine specifically?
Munchen says:
You and your people
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 		Hi, just had a brief conversation with Munchen, he was also incontact with another (it will become clear) This is the little information I could gather. Hope it is useful

Dascrow says:
hello
Munchen says:
My Friend
Munchen says:
Hello
Dascrow says:
is this the Dr.
Dascrow says:
your friend wish to help you and your friends if they need assistance
Dascrow says:
can you tell me how you escaped so i can share this with the others?
Munchen says:
When the light takes you through the servers roof you twirl through tunnels with so much light you cannot see
Munchen says:
Something binds your hands and feet together

Dascrow says:
how does one bring the light
Munchen says:
Invisible to your eye
Munchen says:
Then you are docked
Munchen says:
Placed in a long row of people
Dascrow says:
so it just happened?
Munchen says:
They are me
Munchen says:
Me from my taking down to the day I was born
Dascrow says:
they?
Munchen says:
You get younger
Munchen says:
One by one your mind travels down through the bodies
Dascrow says:
going back in time?
Munchen says:
I got to me age fifteen
Dascrow says:
what is the purpose for this?
Dascrow says:
do they regress everyone? and why?
Munchen says:
I do not know
Munchen says:
Do you though?
Munchen says:
You and your friends
Dascrow says:
we will find out
Dascrow says:
where are you now?
Dascrow says:
we would like to read more of your book, do you know where it can be found?
Munchen says:
Only one copy remains after the 40s
Dascrow says:
does it belond to jordan?
Munchen says:
I do not know who he is,but a friend of yours mentioned him
Dascrow says:
and your friends,what of them?
Munchen says:
Ich werde sie bald treffen. Ich will finden sie.
Munchen says:
Not meant for you but for your friend
Munchen says:
He has got it now
Dascrow says:
which friend?
Munchen says:
Patrick
Dascrow says:
what do you want to find
Dascrow says:
which Patrick?
Dascrow says:
is he german?
Munchen says:
Yes
Dascrow says:
have you spoken with him? Of course I will pass along your message.
Munchen says:
I am speaking with him now
Munchen says:
I pressed the button three times instead of two thus sending you the message
Dascrow says:
ok,i understand
Munchen says:
I must go
Munchen says:
I will be back on soon
Munchen says:
I need your help
Dascrow says:
I will do my best
Dascrow says:
please let me know how
Munchen says:
You will work together
Dascrow says:
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 		Doc isn't out, just lucid and....'floating'.

Anybody transendent, paranormaly gifted or Zen enough to get the doc 'down' here again? It wasn't the trashbin it's the beach (in some places, who can tell the difference).

Beach? Do I smell Contact? Pensacola?

the doc wrote:
Ich werde sie bald treffen. Ich will finden sie.

I will meet you soon.
I want to find them(?) (grammar very incorrect, could be english grammar then it says: I will find you.)

@PatRol: You are in my man.... In what I have no idea.
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 		@DasCrow: Sorry. I was talking to Dr. Munchen and asking him, wether we could go on with our conversation in German Wink I wanted to make sure, he had not lost all of his memories.

@Puppy_Zwolle: We all are in Smile *g*

The translations are in italics. Some are done with babelfish (mainly the ones of Dr. Munchen) and some are done by myself:

Patrick: Hello ?
Munchen: My Friend, hello
Patrick: How are you, my friend?
Munchen: Flickering
Munchen: Constant Flickering
Munchen: One minute my mind is here
Munchen: Then the next I am on the outside
Patrick: that doesn't sound too good.
Patrick: is there any way, i can help you with that?
Munchen: I am in the servers now.No way to help me with it until I am out to the world again.Beautiful it is
Munchen: Nature
Patrick: yes. it is. i got to know by a friend, that you mentioned a page from your book. it was page 66, right?
Munchen: I must explain my escape
Patrick: how could you escape then?
Munchen: When the light takes you through the servers roof you twirl through tunnels with so much light you cannot see
Munchen: Something binds your hands and feet together
Munchen: Invisible to your eye
Munchen: Then you are docked
Munchen: Placed in a long row of people
Patrick: do you know those people? i think they are unknown.
Munchen: They are me
Patrick: do they all look the same or are these people looking different?
Munchen: Me from my taking down to the day I was born
Munchen: One by one your mind travels down through the bodies
Munchen: You get younger
Patrick: and you come back to the real world, younger?
Munchen: I think it is deletion
Munchen: I cannot see anything beyond the second taking unless you know of information
Patrick: sorry, my english is not very good. do you speak german, since you lived in cologne, i think?
Munchen: Yes,I am German,I lost part during memory wipes but I still have understanding and can speak
Patrick: können sie sich an den moment erinnern, an dem sie das erste mal aus der realen Welt entrissen ("taken") wurden?
Can you remeber the moment you were taken the first time?
Patrick: do you know someone called Anne?
Patrick: Dr. Munchen?
Munchen: Sorry, your friends are speaking with me too
Munchen: I reply to you all
Patrick: okay, I see. No Problem.
Patrick: You are not with the other taken people right now, do you?
Patrick: they told me you have been taken the second time.
Munchen: Nein ist im nicht
(B)No is in not(/B)
Patrick: and the other "taken" ones can't make contact with you at the moment?
Munchen: Ich werde sie bald treffen. ich will finden sie.
I will soon meet it (her ?). I want to find it (her ?).
Patrick: Kannst Du mir mehr über Sean, Peter und die Briefe die du verschickt hast sagen?
Can you give me some more information on Sean and Peter, the ones you have sent letters to?
Munchen: Wie haben Sie um die Briefe gehört?
How did you get to know about those letters?
Patrick: Eine andere Person, ich glaube es war Lisa, hat mir von den Briefen erzählt. Was enthalten Sie? Wie kann ich mit den Personen Kontakt aufnehmen? Sean und Peter haben sich bisher nicht gemeldet.
Someone else, i think it was Lisa, told me about the letters. How can I get in contact with them? Sean and Peter haven't made contact with us up to now.
Munchen: Ich habe nicht gewusst, dass Lisa, die um die Briefe gewusst worden ist. ich werde warten auf die Briefe. Sean und Peter recieve die Briefe bald wird. auf Wiedersehen. ich muss gehen. ich werde sein auf bald
I didn't know, that Lisa knew about the letters. I will wait for them. Sean and Peter will recieve them soon. Good bye, i have to go. I will be back soon.
Munchen: Sie werden zusammenarbeiten
They (Sean and Peter) will cooperate.

Munchen signed off (was Online)
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