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Caterpillar
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labfly wrote:
also did we include the "A" instead of "I" from page 66 in the group of mistakes
Quote:
I ALWAYS FELT THAT IF "A" KEPT A
DIARY THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD


I think that's just a mistake in transcription. The letters we have are:

B E THE AN

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I got the pic from my first download of the zip-file. Most parts of the letters are only 1 pixel wide and color is about 2-5% offset to the background. Resizing or compressing even a little and the letters are 'gone'.

The following is assuming Jordan's account of the why and how of the server is correct:

We must keep in mind that the beach the doc is walking on is not a beach. Hey, he's a 15 year old 90 year old, he's not even totally himself. His body is not even a body just like a body.

Maybe there is a beach like on an island, it is circular and leads to the place you started.

Maybe this 'beach' has no sea as it (like the body) only represents a beach. It could be the outeredge of the server.

Remember the movie:"The Truman Show"? In his case the edge was the sky (made of concrete) Maybe this sea is no sea/water but the outerlimit of the server. Just some leftover space.

To swim or go beneath could be refering to leaving the server at that spot... but what to do? Dig? Swim? "There is no spoon"

Problem: If we are to "free the doc", what are we freeing? His body is dead. And what do we free the doc to? Not our world thats for sure. He'd be something like a ghost here.

This perhaps is a meta-problem, maybe, but could be something in the story.
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Obes
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Beans beans the magical fruit,
The more you eat, the more you toot,
The more you toot, the more the fun,
Beans, Beans for everyone.

This unscheduled musical interlude has been driving me crazy ever since I saw the letters made 'the bean'.

Of course it is nothing but Meta... but fun

Could the word need to be added to the 'submit' box on REAM?

BENEATH doesn't work though.

Obes. Twisted Evil

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Obes wrote:
Beans beans the magical fruit,
The more you eat, the more you toot,
The more you toot, the more the fun,
Beans, Beans for everyone.


Well Canavalia maritima, Canavalia rosea, and Mucuna urens don't work.

(They're Beach Beans)

There's also a Soy Bean Beach and a Butter Bean Beach...but somehow I'm pretty sure I'm barking up the wrong tree with the bean thing.....gah

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Now I have barking caterpillars trying to climb bean trees stuck in my mind.

AHHHHHHHHHHHH the craziness.

Anyone else noticed that the 'contact' has dried up almost entirely? Has Jordan cut the 'line' so to speak?

Obes. Twisted Evil

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and where have the riddlemask contacts gone?
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Caspian
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Hi all,

Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I've been lurking and following these crazy and frustrating updates, though. I am sorry to report that there is no news from Jordan. If we don't figure something out soon, I will attempt to draw some information out of him. I could start asking him about his site since there's no reason for me not to know about any of this. I could also offer him a "spy report" on what all of you are doing. Fake of course, just to get stuff out of him.

For now, I say we keep working with what we have (args aren't fun if the characters just give you all the answers) and wait for more contact from Munchen. Unless of course he's fallen off the beach. Then we're just screwed. Wink

Caspian

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You could tell Jordan we run around loke headless chickens. No lie there, sad to say. Crying or Very sad

Wonder what he thinks of that.
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i would just like to point out that Menace Media made the argn news on Sunday! way to go team!

and i will probably contact jordan sunday when i get some more time to think about something clever and spy-like to say. until then, keep cracking on these crazy puzzles!

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Doctor Munchen has just contacted me. I tried my best to get some info out of him but came away a little more lost. Hope someone can make something of this

Munchen says:
Munchen Brings Word
Dascrow says:
hello doctor
Munchen says:
There is a passage in a wall in the third corridor
Munchen says:
No one was taken through it
Munchen says:
Why is it there?
Munchen says:
That is what I want to find
Dascrow says:
you would like to find the passage, or a way through?
Munchen says:
It is there,I think it is a way out
Dascrow says:
the way out to where?
Munchen says:
The servers,but if it brings me to that beach again,well,I couldn't cope
Dascrow says:
so now you are on a beach?
Munchen says:
No,now I am in a bedroom,room 18
Munchen says:
It was Lisa's
Dascrow says:
and lisa is dead now, correct?
Munchen says:
I hope not,I have seen half way through being taken,I do not know what is at the end of the full mile
Dascrow says:
On The Beach You Must Swim
Dascrow says:
what meaning does this have to you?
Munchen says:
Can I tell you something?
Dascrow says:
yes
Munchen says:
Something personal

Much Delay....


Dascrow says:
of course
Dascrow says:
are you still there?
Munchen says:
When I was young,I had an illness
Dascrow says:
what type of illness>
Munchen says:
Well,its complicated,It was a mental illness
Dascrow says:
yes...
Dascrow says:
and now?
Dascrow says:
are you better?
Munchen says:
Yes,I do not know what these servers are but,they helped me
Dascrow says:
helped your illness?
Munchen says:
Yes,it is gone in these servers
Dascrow says:
but if you leave will the illness return?
Munchen says:
I do not know
Munchen says:
Have you ever heard of schizophrenia?
Dascrow says:
yes, but I dont know that much
Munchen says:
I took antipsychotic medication but it did ot help as much as it should
Munchen says:
I had split personalities
Dascrow says:
do you know how many personalities? do you have contact with them?
Munchen says:
Many,when I was taken I was in an institution
Dascrow says:
do you think it is possible that belief of being taken is just a manifistation of schizophrenia?
Munchen says:
No,this place is real,everything here is real,I can touch it
Dascrow says:
and Dr. Jordan, is he real?
Dascrow says:
he is contact with some of us, but we do not trust him
Munchen says:
Yes,I have never met him but yes,I don't trust him
Dascrow says:
we wish to help but are sometimes lost
Dascrow says:
do you know of a way for us to enter the server?
Munchen says:
He is a cunning man
Munchen says:
No,do you know what the server is?What it is used for?
Munchen says:
I want to know
Dascrow says:
we are trying to understant its function but now are still in the dark
Munchen says:
You know nothing?
Dascrow says:
we were hoping for some more help from you to understand its function
Munchen says:
Am I dead?
Dascrow says:
I believe not
Dascrow says:
do you know there the others have gone
Munchen says:
So you believe that it is possible for me to re-enter the world,earth?
Dascrow says:
do you see anyone else?
Munchen says:
No,I am alone,I saw Anne today but she did not see me
Munchen says:
I am hiding under the bed
Munchen says:
Wait
Dascrow says:
is something happening?

delay.........

Logged off
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Shocked Shocked
oh my word! (big sigh) i am so relieved that we had some contact!!
okay... anybody else on board that munchen and jordan are the same man?
i'd love a little "sybil" twist to this-- dascrow, you did a great job with the questions.

edit: brings new meaning to the question in the source
Quote:
Haven't You Realised?

(this could all be taking place in the mind of the insane dr. munchen)
edit: (in ref. to pat and dascrow's spec on my munchen/jordan spec:
why would he bring up "split personalities" then? it makes sense to me,
the servers as well as the map/symbol cross image could represent the different personalities of dr munchen -- he's all of them. (lisa, ann, jin, etc.)
and the servers are the divisions of his mind. i'll be interested to see what jordan says about this.
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What a strange way to start a conversation: "Munchen Brings Word"? Sounds somehow like a prophet who wants to lead his crowd to some other place. Well finally he wants to lead the other matzai to some other place, doesn't he?

Caspian, can you please ask Jordan, what those "passages" are good for? I think we need some more information on that so we can tell Munchen, whether he should go on with his investigations on the passage of corridor three or not.
I wonder, why he is certain about the passage that nobody has been taken through that one for now.

Why can't he cope, when he is brought back to the beach, if he walks through that passage? Any ideas of what kind of symbolism a beach is good for?
(Via IM) Draghkar wrote:
http://www.myjellybean.com/dream/pageb.html > The beach in your dream symbolizes the meeting between your two states of mind. The sand represents your rational brain, while the water symbolizes your irrational and emotional aspects. To dream that you are on the beach and looking out toward the ocean indicates unknown and major changes that are occurring in your life.
To dream that you are looking toward the beach suggests that you are returning to what is familiar to you. To dream of relaxing on a beach means that the coming weeks will be calm and peaceful for you.
To dream that you are working on the beach represents a project that will take up most of your time.
Any ideas or finds on the symbolism of "swimming on the beach"?

EDIT---->:
Wikipedia about beach: "Beaches and recreation - Beaches have long been a popular attraction for tourism and recreation."
If you take this recreation-part now literally it fits with the plot, too. The beach is the place, where the doctor has been re-created. He re-entered the world at the beach. (I know this sounds a bit far-fetched Wink )
<------

I still don't think that Jordan and the Doc are the same (Yes, I know I may be wrong). The Doc told DasCrow about his mental illnes in his younger days, okay. When I think over all we got to know so far, I think those processes that are in control of the humans and the matzai throughout the viruses, show some kind of error. I don't know why it is only Dr. Munchen who shows that kind of error, but there may be others we have not made contact to yet. So the algorithms of the server-software show some kind of failure. Take also into account, what Jordan has written Caspian about the takings. The virus lets you die at a certain time, then you are taken into the servers and after some time, you are re-entered to the world with your memory wiped away. What so, if the memory of Dr. Munchen was not wiped away and he remembered his former lives. So that could be an explanation to why he was schizophrenic. I wonder if there is any relevance to what the doctor said here: [DOC: "Many,when I was taken I was in an institution"]

If we get any chance to make contact to the Doc again, shall we tell him, what we know so far about the servers, even if we don't know that 100% for sure?

Greets,
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I was wondering if he was in contact with someone else at the same time, which happened the last time we talked, during this session. He seemed to take a very lond time with responding to questions, which I assume were pre-written, or maybe they were typed in word/notepad and cut/pasted into IM since you can usually see when someone is typing.

The schizophrenia angle will always keep us guessing now but I would have to agree that Jordan and Munchen are not the same person.
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PatRol wrote:
(Via IM) Draghkar wrote:
http://www.myjellybean.com/dream/pageb.html > The beach in your dream symbolizes the meeting between your two states of mind. The sand represents your rational brain, while the water symbolizes your irrational and emotional aspects. To dream that you are on the beach and looking out toward the ocean indicates unknown and major changes that are occurring in your life.
To dream that you are looking toward the beach suggests that you are returning to what is familiar to you. To dream of relaxing on a beach means that the coming weeks will be calm and peaceful for you.
To dream that you are working on the beach represents a project that will take up most of your time.
Any ideas or finds on the symbolism of "swimming on the beach"?

ok here I go.
Swimming on the beach is in this light can be: trying to combine 2 things that seem to belong to eachother but will never become one.
Like the beach and the sea. They will always be side by side but never be the same. By definition the beach is where land starts and sea begins or vice versa.

Schizophrenia "shattered mind" is a mentaldisorder where the mind is 'confused' as to what is reality. This can be experienced in all sorts of things: illusions, hearing things, paranoia, in effect practically any nasty stuff you think can of. Depending on in what universe you live, thinking the Matrix is real is one too. If you think I mean you personally with this remark.... you got it. Twisted Evil

The possible multi-personality-disorder is extremely rare (even disputed to exsist even) and only in stories is schizophrenia always (and just) that.

What does this practically mean:


If this Schizophrenia is indeed also a multiple-personality-disorder then this may be a whish to combine his schizoid-counterparts back into 1 core personality.

Dr. Munchen wants to be healed from his distorted view of the world by making his world and Jordans world one again.

btw: "wants to be healed" is subconscious as he still sees this as a very real world. And also his subconscious sees the impossibility of them joining. Whats there to join? If this is a delusion then both worlds dont exsist and only comming back to 'us' remains as a real alternative.
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Something in the parent directory of menace-media.com has been changed yesterday (have a look at the dates here), but I cannot make out yet what that is/was. Does anyone else has found out anything about that? Maybe there are some new and hidden files online and we have to unveil them.
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