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Obes
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 		I doubt it's the whole hospital.

By the sounds of it, Doctor Wisely implies that the server is the fictional world, not the hospital. But can we really destroy all those personalities? Don't they all believe they have lives?

Is.. or is it not... and ethical question?

Obes. Twisted Evil
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 		Am I the only one seeing this punctuation problem they share?
Jordan and the psychiatrickerist have the same problem using a spacebar after a [.]

Probably this is part of the truth but this one is a alternate personality too.
Obes wrote:
Don't they all believe they have lives?


Altenate personalities are people too.

Btw.. where's my credit for spotting Wisely as a name? Twisted Evil
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Puppy_Zwolle wrote:
Am I the only one seeing this punctuation problem they share?
Jordan and the psychiatrickerist have the same problem using a spacebar after a [.]
i noted it but figured it was just the pm's punc. problem and not character related but i could very well be that the doc is jordan.. the story
did go that jordan was trying to find someone (when we first met him) and so is the doc (in a way)
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 		Oh yeah! I didn't even notice his last name. Nice call, Pup.

Too bad the whole mental hospital and multiple personalities thing is probably a lie. It seems Jordan has been playing tricks with us.
Quote:
My friend,my friend,my friend

Did they buy it?Ha,if they did it is going to make my life alot easier.The
plan?Your friends wipe away the ones that are resisting the second taking.I am
a genius,aren't I?Did you like the whole "scrizo-whatever" memory I inserted
into Munchen.I found him in the shape of a little boy thanks to
Anne.Congratulate me my friend and watch my greatness.

Also do not feel bad that I denied the "One Question".I was afraid that you
would "blab".I am sorry and hope that we can still continue this partnership.

Always Yours
Jordan


So I wouldn't worry too much about the other personalities thing. Jordan is just trying to throw you off the track. On the other hand, maybe Gene Wisely is real and telling the truth. Perhaps the "Jordan" personality got wind of of Gene's plan and is trying to prevent us from wiping the other personalities. I doubt it, though. I think the whole Mental Institution was made up by Jordan to trick us into helping him.

This is getting very confusing with the plot twists changes mid game, but I still think our main objective is to somehow bring Jordan down and free the souls in the servers. No idea how we do that.

Anyway, here's my reply to Jordan. It's time to fish or cut bait with this guy.
Quote:
Jordan,

No, I'm afraid they did not buy it completely. At first they believed you, but after discussing it further, they are now starting to believe otherwise. My friends are smart and realize that you control both menace-media.com as well as Munchen's mind. They are leaning towards the assumption that you are fabricating the story about Gene Wisely and the mental hospital. It was a clever plan, but one that I fear will not succeed.

I am a bit taken aback that you thought I would "blab" about the "One Question". Then again, you keep promising rewards, but have failed to deliver anything yet. I am your spy and gave betrayed my friends for you. Yet I have not been given much reason why my loyalty should lie with you as opposed to my other friends. I would like to continue this partnership, but any partnership must be mutually beneficial. At first I was hungry only for the true nature of the servers. That was enough to lure me into a partnership. But a continuing betrayal of my friends for your work must prove beneficial to me to continue.

I await your reply.
Caspian

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 		oh my Shocked
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 		OHHHH cream teas and cupcakes.

There doesn't seem to be a way to defeat Jordan. If we make progress it's all just an 'elaborate lie we followed like sheep'. ARGH

Don't make me pull your server plugs Jordan. I'll just wipe out EVERYONE.


Now, one question interests me. Why. Why does Jordan need the Matzai. Why does the second taking have to take place? Why why why why why.

It doesn't make sense. If Jordan truly needs the matzai, then 'wiping those that are resisting the second taking' is just... ARGH.. pointless, he's shooting himself in the foot.

The whole Jordan situation is seriously flawed. I mean, 40 - 60% of it makes no sense whatsoever. And it doesn't seem my talking with Anne had any impact, she told anyway.

The only thing I can lean towards being truth is Dr Wisely.

BUT...

What if ... AGAIN... the PM is reading these boards, saw the mention that Wisely could be a name, and changed the plot AGAIN to include this as an elaborate deception. If it was planned this way from the start, then it's fantastic. However, ... Gah. I can't trust a single one of the characters now except Munchen, who seems harmless... all the others have some sort of deception, death, violent nature or no contact.

I need sleep and tea. In no particular order.

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Obes wrote:
I need sleep and tea. In no particular order.

Reminds me of a famous dutch comedian:
I woke up, took a leak, got out of bed and thought: "that should have beem the other way around."

I agree with Obes. We got nothing. And as Jordan just pointed out: Even if doc Munchen is harmless, those implanted memories make him unreliable too. If this implanting is true... yes if. The Wislely 'joke' I think was planed but indeed our PM has proved to be very flexable in bringing the story. I however trust (hope) the baseline is fixed we may never get this right.

The whole 'story' has become a layered multiverse in an already alternate reality. Anything could be true or false and the context can be true or false too. How are we to check anything?

However this is what we work with. So we should split the 2 are both could be true but not at the same time.

Psycho-doc-storyline: (Jacobsladder)

I would expect "multi-personalities" to resist being 'not real' They are in a persons protection against the real world. Exposing them as unreal would bring his world crashing down and we and the doc don't want that. (as the way they view the server is the same I doubt that Lisa anne and what have you are other patients but also our doc)

Server-storyline:
Doc. Munchen is a 15 year old 90 year old running around in hallways and on beaches while his memory is being tampered with my an ancient being that needs our help for some reason to catch a man he clearly already controls....... uhm....

Let me point out that if this is all in the docs mind, we need to keep up this world untill we can get him 'out'. Breaking this down will make him run from us. We need to 'build a safe place for him to make him return to 'us' mind, body and soul.

[edit]almost forgot
The us-storyline.
The story of us scheming and trying to make sense of it all. Plotting against somebody we don't know. Maybe even a 1000's of years old person. Trying to save Matzai and /or doc Munchen ... (or not). What are we thinking!!
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caspian X wrote:

jordan wrote:

Did you like the whole "scrizo-whatever" memory I inserted into Munchen.I found him in the shape of a little boy thanks to Anne.


This tells me that munchen has been caught by Jordan and that we might not see him again Confused (unless of course he manages to escape again) Jordan had let us know earlier that he has the power to let a soul disappear completely. If this is the case and he has imprisoned jordan and he has no use for him, than munchen might be gone already.


Dr. Gene Wisely.
I was wondering if that might be some sort of anagram. so i did a quick run:
LEGENDRY WE IS
DIG LEERY NEWS
WE SEND YE GIRL

And many others

Caspian keep up the good work.. I think you are heading in the right direction. putting some pressure on jordan might get us some more information.

As far as the psych.. maybe we should ask him about the several personalities this patient has.. and their behaviour. if he mentiones Anne, then we can send him the newspaper clipping and ask him some sort of detailed reference..

Another thing that is puzzling me:
On the main page, why is " Truth" colored green, while the rest of them are in red???

Well just my 2cts.

Greetz,

Draghkar
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 		I found the error-message on the Ream a bit strange so I did a search
Somebody on the net wrote:
Nortbots:
You should only get the onSubmit="location.href='_derived/nortbots.htm' in
disc based webs or in online webs that have not been
published using FP http mode to a server running the FP SE

FYI
the nortbots stand for NORunTimewebBOTS

If you have set up the form to send to email, it must be configured in the
FP server extensions by the host (Yahoo) and only if they support it.
You'll need to contact them.
--
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Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/of...etid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/fro...fo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/un...ding/frontpage/
===
- meaning the action is not server based as a run time webbot tool
"E-Double" <EDouble@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DC699FB9-94A6-4356-87D5-4CEE60E10ED9@microsoft.com...
| on a form from a site that is hosted by yahoo.com ( they say w/ FPSE 2002
| Extenstions installed and configured ) when submitting a form the
following
| message appears: "Not Found: The requested URL http:// was not found on
this
| server." which oddly enough leads to a URL path of
| 'http://www.somedomain.com/_derived/nortbots.htm' instead of the desired
| results.htm file. this form also tries to send an email and their server
may
| not support smtp transport ( ??-not sure there ). is this a permissions
| issue ? or is the coding wrong ? there seems to be a path to the
_vti_bin
| folder in the code, but after installin the FPSE extensions on an XP
machine
| to test i did not see that subfolder. tia, any help would be greatly
| appreciated...


If I read this right its just a e-mail sender thats malfunctioning and not a password-lock to get to the next piece of info.
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draghkar wrote:
Caspian keep up the good work.. I think you are heading in the right direction. putting some pressure on jordan might get us some more information.

Thanks, drag. Just remember that I told Jordan that you guys didn't quite believe the whole psych story on your own. If he knows I "blabbed" we may be done getting any information form Jordan - although since we don't really know what to believe anymore, maybe that's not such a loss.

Pup, I like the way you lay out the options. I wish I knew whether to believe the psych-storyline or the server-storyline. I'm more inclined to believe that the server-srotyline is the real story and the psych storyline is Jordan's fabrication, but it could very well be the opposite or some combination of the two.

Proposed Strategy:
For now, I suggest we try to follow both storylines. That is, we try to get information out of this "Gene Wisely" (assuming or even pretending that he exists apart from Jordan's trickery) on how to best help this psych patient become sound of sound mind once again. Since, as far as Jordan knows, I am the only one who actually knows the psych storyline to be false, the conctact should remain someone other than me. Since he sent the first email to Wisely, I nominate labfly.

Meanwhile, we need to figure out how to proceed with the server-storyline (assuming or even pretending that this is actually what's going on). If Jordan now has Munchen again, perhaps we can interact with him. We do now know that the passage he was talking to us about earlier (the one that no one was ever taken through) is a direct escape to the outside world. If we can get him to that, maybe he can escape for good to...I dunno...inhabit another body or rest in peace or something.

These two strategies should be in parallel and very much in communication with each other so that we can figure out which is the real story (or how the two relate if it's actually a combination of the two).

META
I have much META to discuss regarding this game. However, I know some people don't like glimpses or even discussion of what's behind the curtain whilst the action is still happening. Therefore, I will be starting a new thread in the ARGs with Potential forum soon. Warnings about that thread: there will be discussion about the PM(s), the direction the game is heading, and the like. If you don't like peeking behind the curtain (or at least speculating and discussing what seems to be behind it), I would stay out.

@PM: If you are watching this forum, I would suggest and request you at least stay out of the META thread. We will gladly discuss our meta ideas with you post-game, but for now, please do not peek behind our side of the curtain.

~Caspian

(PS: I was supremely satisfied and awestruck by the Narnia:LWW movie this weekend!!!)
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 		all of the above sounds good -- love that we will have a meta thread..
thanks, caspian

since i feel that i may be the only sybil fan here -- i will continue to email with the doc as "the believer".. and offer my help to save the mulit-personality whoever

edit: to puppy, yeah i meant that 1970's movie sybil not the theory -- who knows which theory will end up being our story
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labfly wrote:
Since i feel that i may be the only sybil fan here.

If you mean the person I think you are right. If you mean the theory nope I to am on board on that one.

I just pointed out that: We can't check what we believe so we need to keep every option open. Or even if that is all to the story (its all in the mind of a madman) we still need to follow how he thinks to get him 'out'.

Caspian is right in the strategy. Even if we were sure about any of this it would still be the way to go.
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 		Seeking spy. Must be open to confusion.
Follow the bouncing Shocked

Jordan, master of all unnamed rewards wrote:
Hello Again
My friend,I have let you down.For that I am sorry.As I said in my little [PS]
letter there will be rewards.
So they are not that dumb ay?I trust that you are trying to sway their
mind the
other way?

I want you to do something for me.Get the most loyal of your friends,or
the one
who is having most doubt and bring them in on this.We cannot cope with
only one
man.

Jordan
Serving You

I can only assume by "let me down" he is referring to either not telling me what these rewards are yet or he is responding to my "shock" that he thought I would "blab". I mean seriously, as if I would blab. Wink

And, he seems to be denying that the [PM} was an email from the PM of this game and is trying to call it a typo.

:Yells thru curtain:
I thought I asked you to stay out of our META forum, PM? You are coming dangerously close to insulting our collective intelligence!
:walks away from curtain, shaking head:

Anyway, apparently he's not content with just one "man on the inside". I have to wonder why though. So I reply:

caspian_x, double triple quadruple agent super spy wrote:
Hello Friend,

I appreciate your apology. I do hold on to some belief there is a reward awaiting me for helping you; I appreciate the reiteration of that promise. And yet, you still fail to elaborate on what that means for me. Can you give me any idea of the benefits of continuing in this alliance? Do not mistake my intent, I fully intend to remain your ally. And I do not mean to sound selfish or greedy. But you must agree that any alliance must have concrete, foreseeable rewards. You keep promising without description. I have betrayed friends that have placed their trust in me in order to help you. What reward can you possibly offer that will allow me to sleep better with that on my shoulders? What exactly are you offering your trusted spy? Immunity to death? Freedom from the servers? A choice of my next life?

I have not tried to sway their minds to believe the Dr. Wisely story and I do not think it would be wise to do so - at least not just yet. The reason is that I do not want to blow my cover. They remember that you mentioned that you placed your trust in one of us. Since no one has come forward, suspicion is running high. Right now, the general attitude is suspicion and disbelief of this Gene Wisely. If I attempt to sway them otherwise, all suspicion of being the "Trusted One" will land on me and your "man on the inside" will be lost.

I can bring in another contact. But before I do, you must tell me why. You say that you have captured Dr. Munchen. That was your goal, was it not? What is it you require of two of us? Indeed, what is it you further require of me? Now that you have Munchen again, what is your next goal?

Your trusted ally,
Caspian


In other words, I want a signing bonus, 4 endorsement deals, and oh yeah, immortality would be nice. Cool
Jordan, spy recruiter extraordinaire wrote:
My friend
The rewards,the rewards.There will be something beyond immunity to death and
choice of next life.They are yours if you help but I shall reward you in the
end with material goods.

Now why do I ask for an extra hand?Well,simply because I fear that they
are onto
you.They expect one man helping but not two.It will help us keep the majority
under our control through you and another.I know for a fact that the
Matzai are
planning something through the help of Munchen.I have failed to reach contact
with Anne.Everytime I try she does not answer.Also I do not have
Munchen.I know
who he is,what he is but I cannot physicaly press delete on a soul.He
has to be
lured to the taking.Convinced that it is the right thing to do,he will walk
straight into it.

Jordan


So basically, now I need to "bring someone in" to out little spy party while the rest of you play dumb. For now. Anyone in particular want to be the other double agent? You need to be able to lie well and put up with a frustrating employer who will promise you rewards but refuses to describe what they are. Don't email him yet, just let me know if you are interested. I am going to try and pull out of him what he is offering. I mean, how can I recruit with no ideas of what the pay will be? I know, I'm a selfish bastard. Twisted Evil Anyway, let me handle it for now, just let me know if you want to be spy #2.
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 		Since i received some emails from him that he doesnt trust me..

/me sticks up his hand..

/me volunteers


but the rest of you must agree with that.

greetz,

D.
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 		draghkar is a perfect choice. i will play along with dr. wisely.
i wrote and said i actually believe that this is all in the mind of his patient and asked how i could help.
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