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[SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall story
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rose
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 		[SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall story
Maybe we can make one thread for story spec? I can't really keep up with everyone's ideas.

But here are mine. Smile

1. The gun- In LCP, the gun is/was wanted by (i)an unknown buyer - who killed Robert for it, (ii) Maurice - the last person to kill someone with it and who may have been protecting Lucy, (iii) Lucy -it belongs to her, (iv) Clay who took and kept it, and (v) various cops and gang people who were put on the trail by either Maurice or the buyer.

The value of the gun in LCP is based on who it was used to kill. In itself, it isn't rare enough to be valuable. The value may be in part based on its historic value, perhaps being used in the Civil War or Old West, but that is based on earlier parts of the story that don't come from LCP.

So I think the reason the Buyer wants the gun is because of the last person shot with it. That would be whoever Maurice killed with it; most likely a Nazi prisoner of war help by the Americans. (although how he had black powder and whatever shot the gun takes with him in WWII is a mystery to me. Maybe Lucky carried it loaded? That makes no sense to me.)


2. I see two distinct storylines that will intersect more as the game progresses. I call them the Lucy story line and the Cigarette Guy- or Kerry story line.

Lucy involves: The Buyer, her family, Clay, Richard Brunswick and William (who she drives), Shaylee, Maurice, Simon and the cops investigating Robert Brown's death.

Kerry involves: The Buyer, Clay, Paco Cisneros, Victor Aldredge, Corazon, Tony and Matt, fish00k, hikerd00d, Porky and the other various gang members, Vaquero, Shaylee and Spider, the cops.

The points of intersection are important: the Buyer, Clay, the cops and now Spider.

Spider adds a new element. How did she know where Lucy was? Was Lucy put in the cell with Shaylee purposefully? Anyway, it seems that the cops (and probably the Buyer) have spread the "word on the street" to everyone to try to find the gun. And that Lucy was the last person known to have it.

3. Summary of spec - The buyer is from some kind of gang organization, perhaps similar to a Neo-nazi, white supremacy thing. He may be the person who was buying guns from Maurice (with Kruggerands) when Maurice was murdered by Kerry. He wants the gun because of who was killed by it.

Also, Victor made documentaries. My spec is that Victor has something hidden in his safe deposit box or elsewhere that is of value to the buyer. And perhaps Victor has some pictures of people that would have blackmail value. Whatever it is, Victor didn't understand what it was worth, or maybe he didn't want to let Kerry know he had it -- he didn't try to use it to bargain with Kerry.

Kerry is a "soldier" who kills when he is told to,and possibly when he wants to, without remorse. He works for the Buyer who is telling him where people are and who to kill. He is part of the same "gang" as is possibly Spider.

The cops are an outside, independant factor in the story and will become more important as the story progresses.

I know, as xnbomb says, we need more information, it is early days! But this is how the story is shaping up in my mind -so far.
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 		Re: [SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall stor
Good spec so far. Thanks, Rose. Smile Just a few questions/disagreements.

rose wrote:
So I think the reason the Buyer wants the gun is because of the last person shot with it. That would be whoever Maurice killed with it; most likely a Nazi prisoner of war help by the Americans. (although how he had black powder and whatever shot the gun takes with him in WWII is a mystery to me. Maybe Lucky carried it loaded? That makes no sense to me.)


Actually, "Without Rancor" is dated July 12, 1969, so Maurice shot the man, presumably a Nazi, significantly after WWII, and the man does not appear to have been a POW at the time. We do know, from Lucky, that the POWs Maurice was guarding during WWII kept dying prematurely, but I don't think he said they were necessarily shot.

rose wrote:
3. Summary of spec - The buyer is from some kind of gang organization, perhaps similar to a Neo-nazi, white supremacy thing. He may be the person who was buying guns from Maurice (with Kruggerands) when Maurice was murdered by Kelly.


I can only see this working if Maurice didn't know the buyer was a neo-Nazi. After all, Maurice appears to be a Nazi-hunter. I don't think he'd willingly do business with a neo-Nazi.
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 		One other quick thing. Cigarette dude's name is Kerry, not Kelly.
I'm not sure I have a story spec yet. The individual character stories are still too broken up. Maybe once they start fleshing together I might be able to come up with some spec of my own. Until then, your spec sounds good enough rose. Very Happy

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 		oops!

I fixed Kerry - sillly me.

I don't think that the guy Maurice killed in Paraguay was with this gun. I could be wrong about that. But then he would have had to give it back to Lucky -so Lucky could leave it to Lucy. Robert said he had seen the old thing around the house and not paid much attention to it.

I was assuming that Lucky had it after WWII - he took it back from Maurice after Maurice was too trigger happy.

But it could be that the important victom was the person that we know for certain that Maurice shot - the German prisoner in Paraguay. And then he gave Lucky the gun or lost it to him.
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 		I really like the idea of the gun having value because of who was killed with it. Well done!

Perhaps the gun has a history of being used as a tool of vengeance and justice? Maurice could have persuaded Lucky to loan out the gun in '69, knowing that his gun was serving justice to the (SPECed) Nazi war criminal in S. America.
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 		random tidbits:

The gun could have originally belonged to Colton White (GUN Game character). I originally thought Kerry was a descendant, but maybe "the buyer" is instead.

Brown ==> Braun. possible German lineage?

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 		Re: [SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall stor
rose wrote:
Maurice - the last person to kill someone with it[..]

Is that spec or fact? Because I can't remember having read it somewhere. If it's definitely fact, I'd like to know. Thank you. Smile

I don't think Kerry is employed by anyone. I have no idea how The Buyer comes back into play, but somehow I doubt it will be via Kerry. I rather think it turns out that Kerry is his own guy and kills for his twisted sense of justice.
About that:

[I decided to put this reply from the WII spec thread in here, because it was too much off-topic there]

What if Maurice is the same type as Kerry? I mean, back in the day Maurice killed people who he thought deserved it? In the 1969 text about the German he shot, right before he pulls the trigger he says, "Ich bin der Scharfrichter." .
Now, that means that he is an "executioner", but probably it is more than that. He was killing people he thought had to die. No hired gun. Just himself. Just like Kerry (at least I think that Kerry is on his own).
And Simon Bassi seems to be another one of those. He's Pikar's disciple, killing people who "deserve" it. That's why he wonders why Maurice hunts for the gun, "Why do we care about this guy? This guy has nothing to do with us, with what we do." (I'm still not sure what guy they are talking about, btw)
"What are these people to us?"
Doesn't that sound like a different philosophy of killing?

Edit: But I have to add...being a gun-dealer is not exactly in harmony with this lifestyle. You must know that the guns you sell will kill lots of people who don't "deserve" it. Does a killer even think like that? I don't know. Razz

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 		Re: [SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall stor
Abraxas wrote:
What if Maurice is the same type as Kerry? I mean, back in the day Maurice killed people who he thought deserved it? In the 1969 text about the German he shot, right before he pulls the trigger he says, "Ich bin der Scharfrichter."


Hmm, what do you mean by "the same type" as Kerry?

Because I don't think Maurice is a random vigilante.
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 		Re: [SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall stor
Phaedra wrote:

Because I don't think Maurice is a random vigilante.


Right. And I don't think Kerry is one. He seems to have his reasons, however random they seem to you/us.
But I'm not that sure any more...Kerry didn't seem like he wanted to kill Victor. At least not from the way it was acted. Laughing He's probably told who to kill. I just read Vic's entry again. There's this innocent line: "He had the next three days off."
From what? A normal job or killing people? If it's the latter it sounds like he must be employed, clearly.

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Abraxas wrote:
But I'm not that sure any more...Kerry didn't seem like he wanted to kill Victor. At least not from the way it was acted. Laughing He's probably told who to kill. I just read Vic's entry again. There's this innocent line: "He had the next three days off."
From what? A normal job or killing people? If it's the latter it sounds like he must be employed, clearly.


Agreed. But it doesn't seem like Maurice is working for anyone.
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j5 wrote:
random tidbits:

The gun could have originally belonged to Colton White (GUN Game character). I originally thought Kerry was a descendant, but maybe "the buyer" is instead.

Brown ==> Braun. possible German lineage?


I like this spec. Obviously, at a point they will have to intersect ARG with game... this seems like a good way to do it. Likely, the most plausible owner (or victim) of this colt, would be Colton.

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 		Re: [SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall stor
rose wrote:

The value of the gun in LCP is based on who it was used to kill. In itself, it isn't rare enough to be valuable. The value may be in part based on its historic value, perhaps being used in the Civil War or Old West, but that is based on earlier parts of the story that don't come from LCP.

So I think the reason the Buyer wants the gun is because of the last person shot with it. That would be whoever Maurice killed with it; most likely a Nazi prisoner of war help by the Americans. (although how he had black powder and whatever shot the gun takes with him in WWII is a mystery to me. Maybe Lucky carried it loaded? That makes no sense to me.)



Good Spec Rose. I think you're right about who the gun killed. I thought this was an interesting bit of old west history.

Quote:
In the year 1995, Jesse James' body was exhumed and examined to confirm his identity, after more than a century of rumor that someone else was buried in his grave. Modern autopsy found a .36 caliber lead slug lodged in the bones of the dorsal chest, exactly consistent with the wound described by the James family. Forensic examination of the projectiles showed markings consistent with it having been fired from an 1851 Model Navy Colt.

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 		[SPEC] the gun, sethbrown
I am new at the and not sure if anyone else has seen this or if it is as important as I think it might be. Lucys brothers name is seth and he is a lawyer. so I looked him up and found this:

Date of Death: 9/29/1978

Mortography: I was stabbed in the back of the head, and they stole my gun!

Current chip count: 11,000.00

Affiliation: Lawyer

Since you were talking about why the gun was important I thought that maybe the gun stold from seth was the gun givin to lucy.

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Lucys brothers name is seth and he is a lawyer. so I looked him up


What ID did you find this under, Dew?

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 		Re: [SPEC] the gun, sethbrown
Dew wrote:
I am new at the and not sure if anyone else has seen this or if it is as important as I think it might be. Lucys brothers name is seth and he is a lawyer. so I looked him up and found this:

Date of Death: 9/29/1978

Mortography: I was stabbed in the back of the head, and they stole my gun!

Current chip count: 11,000.00

Affiliation: Lawyer

Since you were talking about why the gun was important I thought that maybe the gun stold from seth was the gun givin to lucy.


Hmm. This is someone pretending to be a character, and not an actual character. Actual characters have different profile layouts. And they don't have affiliations. Smile
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