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ItWasntMeISwear: Just curious, you haven't explicitly stated where you are getting this information? Could you enlighten us?

NB: Being a shill is extremely frowned upon here, if you're somehow behind the scenes, stop posting on this thread IMMEDIATELY. This is not my personal prejudice, it's one of the rules of the forum.
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To "clear the air" I will provide you with the following information:

Sent to Andy on 11/14/05:

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I have heard about you through some friends of mine. Thought that maybe we could have a chat.



AIM: TheSaintCor171 (whenever you find the time)


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Sent to "auto" address on 11/15/05:

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Dreams can be interpreted simply by searching online. My presumption is that there is more to this story then just simply trying to figure out ones dreams. So I must ask "What is it exactly that you want?"

Is there something that you need? Are you in some sort of trouble? Is there someone/something that you are investigating?

Some questions deserve to be answered without even asking. What you expected by creating a blog such as yours is simply one of those questions.


Reply from "auto" (Andy) on 11/15/05:

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Dear Eric,

Thanks for showing an interest. Most of the excess e-mails I have received do not warrant a response but your question is fair.

I was once investigating a case involving a small time crook and his heavy headed ring but it went belly up and now I have 'problems'.

See it went much deeper than I originally planned, I have given up on the law, I followed it up till now and look where it's got me.

Do I make sense Eric?

The truth is what each person makes it in their own right. No single person decides that.

- -Andy


I replied the following on 11/16/05:

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Sounds like you have a decision to make, much like in your dream about the two towers. In fact, one could make the assumption that each tower represents one of those decisions while the other tower represents the other.

The fact that the towers in your dreams appear to be the same means, to me, that you view each course of action (whether to follow the law or not) the same.

Pay close attention to your dreams for the light shall shine brighter in one tower then the other. Then you will know which tower to choose. As that happens, prepare a journal in order to write down your thoughts about the law at the time the dream was occurring. This should give you a better understanding of which tower represents which course of action.

Once you know which tower represents what, try not to think about the law at all, in any form of action. When the dream occurs look for the light to shine. Then you will know the correct course for you.

I hope that this helps you come to some conclusions about your life.

Feel free to contact me whenever if any other questions arise in the near future.


Sent to Micheal Harrison on 11/18/05:

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It looks like you have yourself in quite a bind, Mr. Harrison. You screwed someone over and now they are out to get revenge on you. Funny how life has a way of setting itself straight, isn't it?

As far as I can tell, you have only a few options, none of which are pleasing:

1) You can go underground, never to see your friends or family ever again, constantly looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life (however long that will be),
2) You can turn to Andy and get yourself killed,
3) You can turn on your boss and get yourself killed.

Somehow, I like the first option myself.

But, there is another way. You can set yourself straight, give yourself another chance at life. You just need to turn against your boss without anyone finding out about it. That's where I come in.

You see, Mr. Harrison, I am a man of my word, unlike yourself. But since you have your back against the wall, I am willing to provide you with a way out. And here it is:

Andy obviously needs some questions answered. Like, for instance, why you set him up? You answer the questions that I can get Andy to give to me to give to you and I'll keep you alive for as long as I possibly can.

How? It's simple, really. You see, Andy has become someone that he does not want to be. And he blames you for that unfortunate transformation. All he wants is for his life to get back on track. And he can't do that without knowing the answers to his questions. If he kills you before that, he'll spend the rest of his life wondering what went wrong and how his life ended up so (poopy <-- edited for content). You are the only one who can help him and he knows that. So, you answer the questions, you stay alive.

I will make sure that no one knows how I am getting these answers or who they are coming from, as long as you keep providing them.

If you answer the first question for me, I will relay that information to Andy as proof that I can help him as long as he doesn't kill you. If you don't, then there is nothing that I can do to stop him from getting his revenge.

The choice is yours, Mr. Harrison.


Reply from Mr. Harrison on 11/18/05:

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What?

Who the hell are you? How do you know about me?

Oh damnit, none of this is my fault. You dont understand, Vince is crazy, he'll kill me one way or another, he'll get to me.

How do you know? Youre a friend of Mason?

Ok, (poop <-- edited for content). Alright, You can help me then I'LL CHANCE IT.

Whats your first question?


To which I replied:

Quote:
First question is "Why did you set Andy up?". That one seems to be the most important to him right now.


Sent to "Andy" on 11/19/05:

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Andy;

I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand but you must not kill Mr. Harrison right now. I understand that you blame him for how your life has ended up recently, but you must try and understand that you are in more danger trying to focus on your revenge.

As you know, Vincent is trying to kill you. If that happens before you can get to Mr. Harrison, then your efforts will be futile. I think we need to focus our attention on trying to acquire information about Vincent and stay away from Mr. Harrison for right now.

Besides, Mr. Harrison may have the answers that you may be looking for in order to get yourself out of this little depression that you have recently found yourself in.

Just a thought.

P.S. I may have found a site that Vincents' group uses. I will get back to you if I find anything there. Good luck and I hope that this e-mail changes your mind about your priorities.


NO REPLY TO THAT E-MAIL

Reply to e-mail sent to Mr. Harrison about my first question:

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Why did I set him up??

Because I had to! Vince isn't a nice guy. Ive seen what he does to people. He doesnt play around.

Look, I would have thought the most important question right now is "How are you going to protect Mason?" Because Vince will find him, then thats that. I cant stop it.

So, If you want to play hero you need dirt on Vince, to get him to back off. You'll be playin a dangerous game but I know things.

Here is the site Vince uses to post things his group need to know. He often uses codes and the like to throw people off.

http://www.angelfire.com/in4/infinite_1

He uses that site becuase he cant be traced that way.

He's clever, so dont do anything stupid.


I sent the following to Mr. Harrison on 11/19/05:

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Thanks for the "tip", but "Because I had to" really doesn't answer the question.

And what makes you think that I want to help Andy? Has he given me any reason to try and help him? As far as I can tell, you're in more danger then he is... he's only got one person who could kill him.

The only reason why I am asking you these questions is because I need to keep you alive for as long as possible. You're the "inside guy". You're the only one who can help me bring down Vincent. If Andy is killed, then so much the better. I'm just trying to make sure that he doesn't kill you before the truth about what Vincent is doing can be exposed. So I'm not wanting to play "hero" (as you put it).

Also, the link that you gave me doesn't appear to house anything of importance to me. All I am seeing presently is a black background. Is there anything in particular that I should be looking for? I've viewed the source and didn't spot anything out of the ordinary.


Reply came on 11/19/05:

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Ok, so theres nothing there, look, Vince doesnt just post things for the hell of it. Its only when he needs to.

I'll be meeting him tonight, theres something big goin down. If I dont show it'll look suspicious. I'll let you know as soon as I know the next site drop.

I hope you realize what youre asking of me.


To which I replied:

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I'm asking you for help to save your own ***. I don't that's too much to ask for, do you? You said it yourself, Vince will kill you. So by giving me information that will help Andy out is working double time by helping you out as well.

Let's face it, you need Vincent gone just as much as Andy does because sooner or later, Vincent is going to learn who told Andy about the meeting. In Vincent's eyes, you will look just as guilty for the death of the man that Andy killed as Andy is.

I look forward to hearing from you after the meeting tonight.


Reply came on 11/19/05:

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Yeah, well how exactly will Vincent find this out??

Things are gettin real tense round here, I dont know what this meeting is about, but its going down at Regent Harbour, an old harbour estate full of bunkers and cabins. Its where Vincent holds his goods..

If hes setting up a meeting there, its probably nothing more than fresh stock.

But I don know, something doesnt seem right.


I replied the same day with the following:

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If Vincent gets close enough to Andy to ask him, that's how he'll find out that it was you who tipped him off. Given Andys feelings about you right at this moment, I don't think that he will hesitate to provide Vincent with that sort of information.

You still need to show up. Just act like nothing is going on. Act as normal as you possibly can. At this point in time, Vincent has no reason to suspect you that I can think of. Heck, you may even want to try and set someone else up as the leak by printing up some fake letters to Andy and turning them into Vincent. But it would have to be someone Vincent already doesn't trust. It will be much easier for Vincent to go along with it that way.


I sent Andy the following on 11/19/05:

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No more meetings. Don't set up any meetings. Don't agree to any more meetings.

You are leaving yourself open for another trap. Vincent wants to kill you. Do you not understand that yet? In fact, I'm surprised you came back from this one alive.

If I was you, I'd leave the area immediately until Vincent is taken care of, which the rest of us are working on accomplishing. Once that is done then you will have nothing to worry about and can come back to accomplish your goals, whatever they may be.


Mr. Harrison e-mailed me on 11/20/05:

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Ok, I went, just like I said I would. Only it all turned bitter, Vince was there, so was Don, I could tell it was something huge. They didnt even let me stay! I gathered enough to know they were planning something.

I really dont wanna know what that is.


I replied the same day with:

Quote:
A couple of questions, for my own information:

1) Who's Don?
2) How and why did you contact Andy?

The second one has always been something that I'd wanted to know, sort of a missing piece of the puzzle in my eyes. But the first one may be important as well. I'll find out I'm sure.


Andy's reply to my "no more meetings" e-mail:

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Eric,

You might think that shutting myself away will help the situation but I think Vincent may already know where I live.

If he wants to kill me, he'll just do it.

All I can do is play the game. How do you think you're gonna stop Vincent Kalakov?

- -Andy


I bolded the reason why I have not provided my source for the information that I have received. And, as you can see, I have posted only the information that I felt was the most important.

I hope that this clears everything up for everyone. Sorry if I was being a "shrill", but I had given my word.
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I sent him a pestering letter about what went down at the meeting, as it should of been yesterday evening.

EDIT: Check Vincent's AngelFire. Looks like our dear friend has been kidnapped.

EDIT DEUS: Sent a letter to Harrison.

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Just for completion purposes... the code on the page is a ROT.

Quote:
VG JBHYQ NCCRNE ZL QRYVIREL NEEVIRQ NSGRE NYY

SHEGURE VAFGEHPGVBA NJNVGF

QB ABG NGGRZCG GB OR UREBRF


Which decodes to:

IT WOULD APPEAR MY DELIVERY ARRIVED AFTER ALL

FURTHER INSTRUCTION AWAITS

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BE HEROES


Has anyone attempted to e-mail Mr. Kalakov? If we can reach him we may be able to make a trade of sorts. Andy for us not turning the information into the "DEA"/"FBI".

I've sent e-mails to three seperate addresses:

1) vincent.kalakovSPLAThushmail.com
2) vincent.kalakovSPLATs-mail.com
3) vincent.kalakovSPLAThush.com

The first two bounced right away. Still waiting for a bounce on the third. If I do not get a bounce, then that would tell me that the third one is the one that we should be using.

PM: The download link does not work. Just thought I'd let you know.

EDIT: Sent e-mail to Mr. Harrison:

Quote:
My warnings to Andy were met with deaf ears. Because of this, he has been kidnapped. We are going to need a lot more information in a short period of time. The more forthcoming you are with any and all information you can provide, the better it will be for you.

I am giving you 48 hours to turn over everything that you know.

I have Vincent's e-mail address and I'm not afraid to tell him who has given us all of this information if anything happens to Andy.

Karma's a (female dog)!!!


EDIT2: I have not received a bounce from the highlighted e-mail address. I can only assume that that is the correct e-mail address for Vincent.
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Michael is in a panic:

Quote:

Something I think you should see:

http://www.angelfire.com/in4/infinite_1

Alright this couldnt get any worse. All that talk about how Masons
gonna spill if I cross him?? NOW WHAT THE HELL DO I DO!?

I swear I knew nothing about this!! Shit Im gonna be next I just
know it!!


I think we need to turn him around and make him an informer to us!!! We need to release the pressure on him a little bit and give him a lil room to breath, but not too much!!!

At least we know it is Andy that is apprehended!

Greetz,

D.
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I think we need to turn him around and make him an informer to us!!!


What do you think I've been doing this whole time? Where do you think my information was coming from? I'm starting to think that no one is reading my posts so blah, blah blah blah blah.

And what does he mean "If I cross him"? Hasn't he already set him up once? I've already turned the fact that he was my informant against him, so I don't know if jumping on the train now is going to help matters much. But you all can try if you want to.
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Sorry to give you the wrong impression ItWasntMe.. I have read your posts and I know what you tried, however, he hasnt come forward with all too much info. And the way I read your mails, is that you were an intermediate between michael and Andy.

I was just referring to the fact that he needs to spill info to us.. and us only..

D.
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vincent.kalakovSPLAThush.com does work!

Quote:
Greg,

My dear Greg.. Then you are one who has 'stumbled' upon my little
website yes?

I have warned you I do not play games.

Silly little man, tell me - you will tell the Federal Agents what
exactly?

I am a sincere business man and my affairs are strictly BUSINESS.

Do not attempt to scare a real man with your threats of law and
order.

Please also be warned that this e-mail address is foolproof so do
not attempt to hold this against me. I insist that all of my
associates use a secure untraceable address it is more professional
do you not agree?

I will be in touch, await my response.

Vincent.


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Drak: Dude, it was a joke. Smile If I know one thing it's that everyone reads everyones posts.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
And also that everyone rolls their mouse over all the spoilers... see, there's a joke in there somewhere, too.


This just in:

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Enough of your empty threats my friend. If you wish to see your friend alive, you will obey MY rules.

Do not forget I hold the key to life in this game.

One false move and I destroy it.

I know what I want. I will get it.

Vincent.


My reply:

Quote:
You hold a good hand. But the mere fact that we have found you should be enough to make you wonder what else we know or even how we found you in the first place.

If you release Andy, then you might learn the answers to these questions. If he dies, then we will learn everything and ensure that you go down, along with your brother, Don. Oh? Didn't know that we knew about your family, did you? How is your family, by the way?

But since you are the stubborn type, what RULES would these be exactly?


Just got home to this reply:

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Interesting.

Believe me, my family knows how to take care of themselves.

Ok, you wish to understand my terms?

Very well, I wish firstly to speak with one of your 'group' by messenger, your choice. This will be the only freedom I give you so choose wisely, outside of this I run this game. Agree?

I told your friend, the one who e-mailed me previously these same terms, these are non-negotiable.

Regards,

Vincent.


So, it looks like we pick a "rep". I've put a poll up for us to vote on. You can find it at: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13196
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Has anyone wondered why the link on vinces page points to:

http://www.angelfire.com/in4/infinite_1/forums.unfiction.com/forums

Does this mean its a warning that he monitors the forum? That we should be careful posting what has been said? I know that the PM is not allowed to interfere and so on, but how far can the rules be bent?

What do you guys think?

Greats,

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It is an "unwritten rule" that if you are the PM that you check to see how players feel about your game. And since you really can't ask them without breaking the curtain, the only other way to accomplish that task is by checking the forums in order to get a "feel" for how things are going. Even the "AOTH" PM's admitted to doing this.

I must say that I've never really experienced someone acknowledging the forums "in-game", and there are two stances that can be taken:

1) That if the line between reality and non-reality is to be blurred then one must accept that this forum exists, and thus acknowledge it.

2) That the Puppetmaster choose to ignore this forum and keep the game within their made reality.

If a PM chooses to follow #1, then it would be customary for one to also acknowledge how one has come across the forum "in-game", not just provide acknowledgement through a subtle "hint". For instance, was he or she told? Has he or she planted a bug in our systems which track our movements once his or her site has been compromised?

Personally, I rather enjoy the second one myself. It's just realistic enough to work as a good excuse.

Whatever is chosen, it must make sense. That, my friends, is part of the game.
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ItWasntMeISwear wrote:
It is an "unwritten rule" that if you are the PM that you check to see how players feel about your game. And since you really can't ask them without breaking the curtain, the only other way to accomplish that task is by checking the forums in order to get a "feel" for how things are going. Even the "AOTH" PM's admitted to doing this.

I must say that I've never really experienced someone acknowledging the forums "in-game", and there are two stances that can be taken:

1) That if the line between reality and non-reality is to be blurred then one must accept that this forum exists, and thus acknowledge it.

2) That the Puppetmaster choose to ignore this forum and keep the game within their made reality.

If a PM chooses to follow #1, then it would be customary for one to also acknowledge how one has come across the forum "in-game", not just provide acknowledgement through a subtle "hint". For instance, was he or she told? Has he or she planted a bug in our systems which track our movements once his or her site has been compromised?

Personally, I rather enjoy the second one myself. It's just realistic enough to work as a good excuse.

Whatever is chosen, it must make sense. That, my friends, is part of the game.


Last Call Poker also linked to Unfiction in their Texas Hold 'Em help forum, with a 'Discussion here' disclaimer or something.

Quote:
Greg,

Yes I do believe the FBI would be delighted to indulge in your
vivid accusation. Now tell me, who is your source?

No, I did not think you would discuss that. But perhaps it is worth
your pathetic friends life? An eye for an eye.

Let me tell you now, I leave no trails, I am no idiotic small time
criminal.

I want to talk with a person, I suggest a messenger service, I want
personal.

Let me know.

Vincent


Now who do we want to be our messenger?

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OK, for clarification, the deal with forums is basically this:

1 - The unForums are completely OOG, anything discussed here (and not anywhere else) cannot directly influence the play of the game.

2 - The PMs may read what's happening here, but cannot post (this breaks the IG/OOG barrier (curtain).)
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I don't want to continue this Meta-discussion but I will anyway:
Atrophied wrote:
1 - The unForums cannot directly influence the play of the game.

As this is true........ you did say directly right? ....indirectly you may observe many influences. A PM may (actually you can bet many will. see rule 2) read how people think and adapt to it. Thats a good thing.

But a PM playing the game for you (or pretending to do so) is a bad thing. Thats a major "You kiss your mother with that mouth?"-kinda thing.

That is what that rule is about right?
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Yeah, basically, they can read what's written here, but cannot use that information in-game unless they can obtain it from elsewhere also. However, if they see that the game is going in a direction that they didn't intend, then they can subtly alter the flow (without referencing what has been said here).

It's a fine line, but as long as they don't blatantly say "As I saw at the unfiction forums...", quote from here, or use obvious references to the forums, then it's alright.

Well, that's my interpretation of the rule (having been here for just over a year). I don't know if it is explicitly stated anywhere, if it isn't, maybe it should be.

/me goes looking.

Edit: This covers the second point I made, but I can't find anything directly relating to the first one. Trust me though.. it's the generally accepted rule (having played through 4/5 games myself, it's the way things are done).
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