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[KashB]

biochem

[Belogroak]

If we can get a cystallographer on this, could they also look at the dots which are not marked by numbers and see if they map to something. Maybe the "deadly hall of mirrors" is hiding something, be it an image or a molecular structure.

Also thinking on a wild idea of science and differently "lethal" tried:

[sherbet]

poor lilly! *hands lilly an ice pack and some parrotsate-emall* go lie down love, try not to look at the edges of the card, as they may make you vom.

i think i did try booze, but i cant promise, so ill give it a go soon!(got muddled with that other card).

i have to say, if i knew someone that could solve this, i wouldnt be guessing, as id have got em to sort it aaaaaaaaaages ago!! but ure right, someone must know someone who can solve this. guessing however did get me the answer to another card, and as i have no other options at present, ill be an optimist and carry on guessing!

im sure ppl double check their spelling when trying to solve the card, most of us make mistakes on here, with spelling, and grammar, but as long as ppl get the gist its never no mind really, is it? the prob comes when there are diff spellings of the same word, ie we use colour, americans use color, or so my speak and spell would have me believe!

man bel, that was a fab idea tho!

[Gibbet]

I have a few people who might be able to ID this when I go back to uni if no-one has solved it by then.

Also acouple of contacts in the Crystallogrphy department from my job last year as well that I might see if I can get something sent off to.

Not sure if they'll be able to spare the time to look at it, but is worth an ask I reckon.

Certainly the "structure" produced from the coords doesnt ressemble anything i've come across before. Unless is several molecules.

But then could be anything really so might play about with it a bit more.

(Finally found a use for chemistry degree, and still no luck!! )

[uptheblades]

Could we be barking up the wrong tree? there's an article in New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3750 about the use of photonic crystals where:- '..researchers worked out that if a photonic crystal is designed in a certain way, incoming light can get trapped at the shock wave boundary, bouncing back and forth between the compressed part of the crystal and the uncompressed part, in a "hall of mirrors" ' which ties in crystallography and mirrors.. is this an avenue of exploration? I can't test my theory yet as I'm locked out of the card til tomorrow..

[ALISDAIRPARK]

cool article, looks like we'll have photon torpedoes soon enough...

[ramsfan]

This is what I like about this game. Even if it doesn't help solve, you learn something interesting. How sharp is this blade? Like a greasy chip butty, like a night out in Sheffield?

[uptheblades]

strangely enough there could be a football link..
bizarrely enough it appears that the universe is football shaped and the journal physics review indicates that "the universe is like a hall of mirrors, in which multiple images of the same object could show up in different locations in space-time." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5051818/

I can't work out what crystalline structure it could be an xray of so my current thinking is what if its a simulation of x-ray crystallography.. thats what sent me bouncing round the galaxy as I'm still hung up on the 'hall of mirrors' hint..

...like a packet of woodbine,
like a good pinch of snuff...

I'm off for a chip butty now.. and a spot more pondering..

[KashB]

just a thought

[lillyplop]

Silver nitrate did not work....sorry!

[sherbet]

elo! id tried silver nitrate a few days ago, i posted it under a spoiler, a few pages back.

i read that football article a few days ago, interesting stuff. got me thinking about quantum leap, which i loved back in the day! those photonic crystals sound pretty groovy!

anyway, on with todays fails...

[totoro]

I was looking at crystallography books at uni - way over my head by the way - and found that most of the structures have obvious symmetry on 2,3 or 4 axis but the card doesn't look quite right (possibly the hall of mirrors idea the image has been or needs to be reflected) I was in the middle of trying to manipulate in photoshop but photoshop is having issues at the moment.
I tried the previously mentioned demo of single crystal but it doesn't let me create a crystal diffraction because its a demo - or because I suck at diffractions - has any one else tried this program? Also I noticed diffraction pattern change depending on the angle that you view it at which is why I was really hoping to use singlecrystal.
On a spoiler front

[ramsfan]

Failed with permethrin. It breaks my rule of something we've all heard of, but it's a pesticide with differential toxicity to different animals and there are 4 isomers. Trying "relative toxicity", thinking isotopes, feel I'm on the wrong path and it will be another oh god solve. Are the tiny mirror image numbers common to diffraction patterns? Have found patterns which look like this but without the numbers. I was wondering if we're on the wrong track, only because we're not solving it. Oliver suggested something about dilutions of toxins or such like. Could it be something like that?

[timair]

Its not:

[owl]

Mercury