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Juxta
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I disagree. I think we should send Kurt. Even if it is a Third Power trap, the fact that a person on the cube-retrieval team at the academy may be helping people find the cube is hardly a big shocker now is it? Also, if they wanted to kill our contact, Mind Candy can hardly kill off one of the puzzle designers, it would mess up the entire card thing!
If it's a trap, we should spring it anyway, purely to advance the story.



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Juxta
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So. Who do we have as options to send on this mission? Who do we know in Perplex City who would undertake such a potentially dangerous, crackpot spying extravaganza, based upon potentially spurious "evidence" - final proviso, who fulfills all of those requirements, who we don't *already* have running around Tanraga, being eaten by lions and tigers and bears? (possibly ligers too, but that is an unconfirmed report)

Violet or Kurt essentially leap to mind. Sylvia is not in any fit mental state to contend with this kind of situation, the poor woman has been through enough. "Expendable"...*rolls eyes*. Too bad we don't have a method of transporting some of the more expendable members of our "team" from Earth to PxC in order to go and play "dodge the bullets" in my opinion.

Sente is out, there are far too many suspicions about his motives floating about, and Scarlett is being re-fitted for her tinfoil hat in Viendenbourg.

Aside from either Violet or Kurt (or perhaps both, for safety in numbers again, a la the Recon infiltration - Perplex City's answer to Dempsey and Makepeace?), how about if we were to engage another member of the CRT in assisting us? We have a few names to throw into the melting pot, and some potentially very useful allies....

Aiko - unlikely to be open to suggestions from us, unless we can allay her suspicions...y'know, the ones prompted because, um, we couldn't keep our mouths shut, and er, kinda...ran to Sente with the information that she was a Recon...and...uh...she sorta got...arrested. A little. That said, if we *could* get her back onside, she strikes me as being a very strong ally.

Von - seems (from what we've intercepted upon email at least) to be easily lead and a wee bit on the young side for the dangerous side of all this Cloak and Dagger business - I want no part of sending a child into a lethal situation, I barely want to send in an adult as it is...

Tippy - Hmm...I'm very torn on Tippy. On the surface, she seems a vain airhead, with few, if any redeeming qualities. That said...I'm not sure...I think that "Tipper" might be hiding something from us. (and not just the red stapler) I wouldn't put it beyond the realms of possibility that she had something to do with the message in the first place, now that she is dating Hesh. However, I don't think, based upon what we know about her, that we'd want to approach her about this matter.

Anna - Well, Anna is slightly mysterious...we don't know a whole lot about her (aside from her flair for languages and three children) Unsure, and as such, untrustworthy at this point for such a task.

...which leaves us with...

Caine - Our rock n'roll hardman. Or not, as the case may very well be. From our latest exchange of email interceptions, he has failed to keep pace with our final candidate on a drinking session, but has redeemed his image somewhat with the discovery that he was responsible for painting all of the statues of the founders yellow. I'm certain that he would also jump at the opportunity to infiltrate some ancient secret society, in the guise of "Sticking it to The Man!". However, his name *is* Tristan.

...and finally...

Garnet - At once, he leaps out as a potential ally for several reasons. He is ex-military, no nonsense and widely regarded as having been something of a "hero" in his time. We also know that he's not easily swayed (turned down Tippy's advances), but has a strong sense of moral values and loyalty to his friends (his actions during Aiko's arrest and subsequent "trial by media") We also know that he was heavily involved in the investigation into the Djinn Worm (#243 "Shuffled") Military training probably wouldn't go amiss when dealing with these Third Power lunatics too - they might have been able to physically overpower poor Monica, but would they want to take a similar chance with Garnet?

I'm still a little concerned on Garnet's links to the City Council and the military, but so far, based upon what we know of Garnet, I'd back him as a good one to have on our side.


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GasparLewis
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Caine willowe us to keep his mouth shut, but, like everyone is saying, we're not sure about how we want this to all go down.

Perhaps Kurt, rather than going, would be a suitable source to ask an opinion of. We don't want to risk anybody who we've made a strong connection with, specifically Kurt or Violet. And I'm not so sure how willing anybody else would be to go meet some strange private detective secreted on a non-Perplexian music release (you know what I mean).

I say we make this a two-person affair.
1. The Body: who actually meets this person at the location
2. The Mind: a more reliabel person situated a distance away, but still fully aware of what's going on, via a wire, camera, etc.

Time to start organizing 2+ teams on the Perplex end, no?

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GasparLewis
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Caine will owe us to keep his mouth shut, but, like everyone is saying, we're not sure about how we want this to all go down.

Perhaps Kurt, rather than going, would be a suitable source to ask an opinion of. We don't want to risk anybody who we've made a strong connection with, specifically Kurt or Violet. And I'm not so sure how willing anybody else would be to go meet some strange private detective secreted on a non-Perplexian music release (you know what I mean).

Personally, I say we make this a two-person affair.
1. The Body: who actually meets this person at the location
2. The Mind: a more reliabel person situated a distance away, but still fully aware of what's going on, via a wire, camera, etc.

Time to start organizing 2+ teams on the Perplex end, no?

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Too bad we don't have a method of transporting some of the more expendable members of our "team" from Earth to PxC in order to go and play "dodge the bullets" in my opinion.

As I count myself among the named category( Embarassed ), I would volunteer, were it not that I am in possession of a certain notable and hinderous lack sufficient knowledge regarding the method or methods by which one would transfer one's self to Perplex City.
Operating under GasparLewis' plan, it might be best to utilise Garnet for this particular operation, as, among other points that must be taken into consideration, some of which have been mentioned before, the entity whom we are to send to the locale in question must have a means by which a defence against possible harm might be attempted in the event of an ambush; the operation of a key to send a message may be too noticeable to escape detection, and he would likely have access to surveillance equipment of some variety; and, as he has mentioned, he has been trained to withstand torture, so if capture and interrogation fall to his part, we will feel few, if any, repercussions, as he has not been a vital link in the Cube Retrieval Team [read: is expendable], to the best of my knowledge. Though it would be rendered something less of a challenge to reach him were we in the possession of a means by which we could communicate with him in a direct fashion, it is possible that we may be able to send a message through Violet, Kurt, or Sente, and, if one elects to accept the arguments made above in their entirety, it necessarily falls to one's part to determine which of the above one would select for the task of bearing the message. The extantiality of a not insubstantial quantity of debate on the subject, and the conclusions reached as a whole, may be swiftly determined by a brief examination of the previous entries in the section aptly titled "General/Updates." I will not recapitulate the finer points of the argument, but it would appear that, of the two relevant Kiteways and the redoubtable Kurt, the latter engenders the greatest quantity of trust on the part of most of those polled. As such, then, and as an expert in technology, he seems best equipped for the role of monitoring the status of the metaphorical mad cow sent out into a minefield, as it were, and should be considered a viable option for a link to said bovine: Garnet.
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chichiri
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Well I vote garnet=body
kurt=mind

if we're sending one of the other members of the CRT, then we will have to fill someone else in on the plan anyway, because as far as I'm aware, we do not have any method of contact with any of the others.

Also on the note of sending an earthling, I volunteer myself, I consider myself very dispensible, I am related to neo, I can't seem to contribute anything to the team, I know how to get to pxc, and I'm already dead Twisted Evil

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Dysper
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Maybe I should resurrect you specifically for the task - hmmmm?

It seems like as if you have plenty of chutspa, maybe you could share your idea with the viewers and turn the tide of history...

It's over to the people's vote! Laughing
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Nightingale
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Kurt and Garnet do seem like a good combination for this task. Kurt, however, may have different ideas of who he'd take.

Why don't we consult him to find out?

I've never written to him and for something like this it'd probably be better for someone who he already knows to email him with the details (in case he's as paranoid as I am! Laughing )

Or am I jumping the, er hopefully not going to be used/needed, gun?

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Jakeo
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I disagree. I think we should send Kurt. Even if it is a Third Power trap, the fact that a person on the cube-retrieval team at the academy may be helping people find the cube is hardly a big shocker now is it? Also, if they wanted to kill our contact, Mind Candy can hardly kill off one of the puzzle designers, it would mess up the entire card thing!
If it's a trap, we should spring it anyway, purely to advance the story.


I can see the point of view here. But, aside from Juxta's point elsewhere that we should think as if This Is Not A Game, there is still going to come a point where we need to apply some intelligence.

If we always view potential traps with a view of 'lets spring it to advance the story' then we are only ever going to get the most basic story out of it. Eventually we're going to have to start pushing back.

Given that the 3P have already dumped on us for being disorganised (and a bit stupid) (see the last live event for details) I can only imagine them laughing at us for blindly walking into every little trap they set.

If this 'game' is going to be nothing more than a story that is revealed over time, then I'll be a little disappointed. What I would love is to see the game (and outcomes) change as a result of what we do. I'm not a puppet for Mind Candy to pull the strings damnit! I want to be puppet-master Smile

My point: Sometimes 'not' springing the trap will advance the story too.[/quote]

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I can see Jakeo's point of view here as well but I do feel we should probably still send someone. Look at it this way, sending a member of the cube retrieval team is probably the best bet simply because they are high profile. Killing off a member of the team is likely to bring more preasure to bear on 3P than they are willing to take. (Especially if someone tips off the Sentinel that the 3P were behind any murder that happened.)

This is not to say that this is a suicide mission by any stretch and there is every chance that the outcome will be of benefit to those of us who stand against the Third Power. However as you cannot make an omlette without breaking a few eggs I am happy to say we should take the risk.
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sledgecallier wrote:
(Especially if someone tips off the Sentinel that the 3P were behind any murder that happened.)
tip off who about what? a murder? to the police? to helena fFrye? dont plan on it. If they were concerned with pressure fFrom the academy, they wouldn't have stolen the cube. Remember fFran Mendling.

Anyway. Why do people want to send kurt? He's a geek, not an action hero. Caine could kick his ass any day.
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Jakeo
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I can see Jakeo's point of view here as well but I do feel we should probably still send someone.


Apologies. I wasn't trying to offer an opinion either way on whether we should send someone and if so who should we send.

What I was trying to say was:

  • If we approach every plot device with a 'lets trigger it to advance the story' we aren't going to get much of a story out of it.

  • Sometimes not responding advances the plot just the same.


forgetting that TINAG, its perfectly reasonable to suggest that if MC offer us this as a way to advance the game, and we don't take the bait, they can easily have 'Citizen X happened to be walking past Gillit Road and saw suspicious stuff as follows....' if they *really* want the story to advance that way.

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I can't believe that, having identified this as a probable trap, we then wish to take our most reliable contacts in PC and send them into it. Sure, they *could* have information handed to them to prove that Helena is a traitor, or they may just get killed. After all the 3P must know by now that we have communicated news of their involvement to our PC contacts, this may just be a way to expose them and ge their hands on them!

I would go with one of two possibilites. (1) Someone will come to the meeting, but that they will be planning a trap (2) No one will come to the meeting. Of these (1) seems a lot more likely.

Given this, isn't the best idea, in classic spy style, not to atend the meeting, but to send people (definitly plural) to stake the place out in advance, wait for the person to arrive, follow them, learn about them, and possibly 'nab' them later? If the person really is genuine, and wants to hand over evidence, then he or she can do it as well later as at the meeting. On the other hand if they are just there to spring a trap then this would avoid the trap *and* spring it on him or her in turn!

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Turning the problem over in my (strange) mind, I'm a bit confused.

How do we know that the voice message isn't a set-up from the 3P to 'frame' Helena Frye? As a dectective, she could be innocent and gathering evidence that'll rumble the 3P. Perhaps the 3P knew that we'd get the voice message (it was rather obvious after all) but didn't think we'd get the coded message.

If the 3P have fabricated some evidence against Helena Frye (she is after all known as being a bit of a maverick) and we send in some one (i.e. a member of the cube retreival team) who could perhaps be classed as above suspision in the eyes of PC residents - we could lose a valuable asset in Helena Frye - like we did with Monica Grand.

It looks like Helena did have something to do with Monica's murder. We informed her that Monica was the Advisor and Helena sent someone round to kill her (as it was, if I remember correctly, a brutal murder so possibly it couldn't have been Helena herself or even by a woman - if we think in terms of body strengh ect {but that's assumption on my part - as we don't know enough about the way she died ect} and Helena was assigned to the case. Covered up any possible evidence and skipped away home, pleased with her day's work.

However, perhaps something else happened. Perhaps our email was intercepted by the 3P who sorted out Monica before Helena could do anything about it. Perhaps there's a mole in the Police Dept (not Helena) who informed the 3P.

Yes, I know, that's a lot of perhapses but it seems a bit daft that we tell Helena that Monica is the Advisor, Monica is immediately killed, and we don't suspect that Helena had someting to do with it.

What I'm trying to say is perhaps we're being used by the 3P, to set someone up.

Do you see where I'm going with this? (And does it involve padded walls ) Laughing

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A few observations:

1) If and when we get hold of any information about Helena, hopefully whoever we send to get it will let us decide what to do with it (and we can always convince them with a very persuasive email). It may not be in our best interest to go straight to the authorities/Sentinel, we could contact her and see what she has to say about it. Considering what seems to be happening to compromised 3P agents, she may want to bargain for her life, which is a little cruel on our part but it is her fault for getting involved with 3P in the first place. If instead she says that they are trying to set her up, she can share any information she has on them with us and we win again (although we would immediately distrust that information and need some pretty convincing proof). The more information we have the better.

2) Garnet would be an excellent choice, but have we ever had any luck contacting anyone from the CRT except Kurt? The only people that I'm aware that we can send are those with blogs and Sylvia (who is most likely not responding to her email atm).

3) If we try to organise a larger operation (stake out etc) then we risk 3P finding out. We got Monica killed because we told one too many people. At the end of the day, Kurt (or insert your favourite character's name here) will decide whether it's too dangerous to go, only the Kiteway girls so far seem to think they are invincible. If Kurt is willing to go despite the extremely obvious possibility that it's a trap then it's his risk. That is, unless we mysteriously say 'go to Gillit Rd, we'll tell you why later', but that isn't an option with Kurt, he's already been sent one email that we know of.

4) Who would we go to if we did want to organise a larger operation? I think it's fair to say that the police are unreliable.

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