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[CHAT] Chat with Seth, Cordelia, and Stevie (1/5)

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[CHAT] Chat with Seth, Cordelia, and Stevie (1/5)

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[19:06] * inquiringmind has joined #inquiringminds
[19:06] <inquiringmind> hello?
[19:07] <C[a]usepoet> Seth?
[19:07] <inquiringmind> yes, it's Seth
[19:07] <inquiringmind> hello Causepoet
[19:07] <C[a]usepoet> Hi.
[19:08] <inquiringmind> Amber? JustLurking?
[19:08] <JustLurking> Hello Seth
[19:08] <inquiringmind> hello!
[19:09] <JustLurking> I don't believe we've met
[19:09] <inquiringmind> I don't believe we have yet, officially
[19:09] <JustLurking> good thing i decided to check in instead of making dinner
Wink

[19:09] <inquiringmind> Smile

[19:09] <JustLurking> How are things on the station?
[19:10] <inquiringmind> I thought I'd stop by to see if anyone had any ideas
about the static puzzle.
[19:10] <inquiringmind> Also, Cordelia and Stevie might stop by for a short
while.
[19:10] <JustLurking> how are they doing?
[19:11] <JustLurking> Any updates from Mr Rasmussen?
[19:11] <inquiringmind> they're upset and starting to lose hope Sad

[19:11] <inquiringmind> There has been a bit of an update on the smell in the
gardens though
[19:11] <JustLurking> what did they find?
[19:12] * Cordelia has joined #inquiringminds
[19:12] <inquiringmind> Martha has identified the problem and hopes to have it
fixed soon. It seems that the smell is coming from a...
[19:12] <inquiringmind> Hello Cordelia!
[19:12] <Cordelia> Hello,
[19:12] <inquiringmind> I see you made it here ok
[19:12] <Cordelia> yes
[19:12] <inquiringmind> Wink

[19:13] <inquiringmind> I was just telling them about the smell from the gardens
[19:13] * enaxor has joined #inquiringminds
[19:13] <Cordelia> Yeah. It is getting pretty ripe around here
[19:13] <inquiringmind> definitely
[19:13] <inquiringmind> Anyway, it looks as if there won't be an evacuation
because of it
[19:14] <Cordelia> Anyone want to send us a bunch of lysol on the next New Dawn
shipment?
[19:14] <JustLurking> A bit far from the Maldives, unfortunately
[19:14] <Cordelia> Ah well.
[19:14] <inquiringmind> It seems the smell is coming from a pipe in the gardens
[19:15] <Cordelia> I'm sure Martha will get it taken care of
[19:15] <inquiringmind> yes, now that the problem has been identified
[19:16] <Cordelia> I just want to let everyone know...
[19:16] <Cordelia> How much
[19:16] <Cordelia> I really, we really Stevie and I
[19:16] <Cordelia> appreciate all the help you are giving us
[19:16] <Cordelia> I ... ah...
[19:17] <Cordelia> got a bit over eager today I am afraid
[19:17] <enaxor> we're glad to help
[19:17] <inquiringmind> it's ok Cordelia, really
[19:17] <enaxor> can you tell us about it?
[19:17] <Cordelia> Do you think Stevie will forgive me, Seth?
[19:17] <inquiringmind> I know she will.
[19:17] * [A]mberSickTV is now known as AmberSick
[19:17] <inquiringmind> The stress of all this has been building up. It's not
your fault.
[19:18] <Cordelia> I just need to find out what Steven left there...
[19:18] * AmberSick waves to Seth and Cordelia
[19:18] * Dionysus has joined #InquiringMinds
[19:18] <inquiringmind> hello AmberSIck and Dionysus
[19:18] <AmberSick> Smile

[19:18] <Cordelia> I've been trying to distract myself with work
[19:18] <Dionysus> Seth, hello
[19:18] <Dionysus> Cordelia!
[19:18] <AmberSick> Glad to finally meet you, Seth, in a way.
[19:19] * Dionysus is now known as Andrew
[19:19] <Cordelia> Hello Dionysus
[19:19] <inquiringmind> Everyone... we really need to find that passcode to
Raidar's compartment
[19:19] <Cordelia> Stevie was so upset when I got the hammer out of the tool box
[19:19] <AmberSick> Well, we were working on some lines of working with
repairshops.gif.
[19:19] <Cordelia> My husband has been missing for so long... I just...
[19:20] * AmberSick hugs Cordelia
[19:20] <Andrew> It'll be ok, Cordelia. We'll find him. I wont rest until this
is over.
[19:20] <AmberSick> Have faith, Cordelia! We have been working on this, night
and day, for weeks.
[19:20] <Cordelia> here was something I could work on with my hands
[19:20] <Cordelia> and Raidar will stand so sitll when you tell him to...
[19:21] <Andrew> I understand Cordelia... You want to be able to do something.
[19:21] <Cordelia> When we couldn't get it to open up... I just had to do ...
something
[19:21] * caspian_x has joined #inquiringminds
[19:22] <AmberSick> Did you actually hit Raidar with the hammer??
[19:22] <Cordelia> Poor Stevie...
[19:22] <inquiringmind> It's ok Cordelia
[19:22] <Cordelia> She thought I was going to kill her doggie
[19:22] * rayna has joined #inquiringminds
[19:22] <Cordelia> No, Seth and Davina stopped me in time
[19:22] * caspian_x is now known as Caspian
[19:22] <AmberSick> oh, phew
[19:22] <Andrew> Cordelia. You're udner alot of stress. Stress that none of us
here can understand. It makes us do crazy things
[19:22] <Cordelia> I ... i guess I will need to make an appointment to see Dr.
Kendra as well.
[19:23] <AmberSick> Poor Stevie has been through so much...she doesn't need
another heartbreak.
[19:23] <Cordelia> I know, she has been trying so hard to solve the puzzles her
daddy left
[19:23] <Andrew> She has been a huge help
[19:23] <Andrew> Invaluable.
[19:23] <inquiringmind> Cordelia, you can't beat yourself up over this.
[19:23] <Caspian> I can vouch for that
[19:23] <AmberSick> And I believe she has made some great friends along the way,
Cordelia.
[19:23] <Cordelia> I know she really appreciates all the work you all have put
into this
[19:24] <Andrew> Please tell her that we wouldn tbe anywhere without her
[19:24] <Cordelia> I'll let you tell her that yourself... I just wanted to say
Thank you in person.
[19:24] <Andrew> Cordelia...
[19:24] <Andrew> Look.. I have a resquest to make.
[19:24] <Cordelia> I need to get back to my patients
[19:24] <inquiringmind> I'll send Stevie over there Cordelia
[19:25] <Cordelia> Yes Andrew?
[19:25] <Andrew> If i may be so bold..It may become nessecary at some point to
access Orbicon's Intranet
[19:26] <Andrew> Should that become nessecary, I woul dhope you'd be willing to
help us.
[19:26] <Cordelia> I don't know if that is possible. Some of it is on a
dedicated server that is not attached to anything else
[19:26] <Andrew> Ah, interesting.
[19:26] <Cordelia> just one room, with a few workstations
[19:27] <Andrew> *Nods* Well thanks anyway
[19:27] <Cordelia> we have a separate server for e-mail and contacting the ground
[19:27] <Cordelia> Professor Bronco is very security conscious
[19:27] <inquiringmind> that's an understatement
[19:27] <Andrew> We can tell
[19:27] <AmberSick> Who would have access to that server?
[19:27] <Andrew> Paranoid, I beleive is the word
[19:28] <Andrew> How someone as ncie as Davina could come from... him.. well.
[19:28] <Andrew> It surprises me
[19:28] <inquiringmind> and don't worry, if we need to access it in order to
find Steven... we'll find a way
[19:28] <Caspian> Seth, do you have access to the secure server?
[19:28] <Cordelia> You must admit that by keeping it separate there is less
chance for virus and hackers to get into it
[19:28] <enaxor> Seth, did you see any other files, other than repairshops that
might help us?
[19:28] <inquiringmind> no Caspian, I don't.
[19:29] <AmberSick> Any progress with the smell from the garden?
[19:29] <inquiringmind> enaxor, I haven't found any other files out of the
ordinary on Raidar
[19:29] <Andrew> I'm jsut glad it wasnt a stereogram. I cant see those darn
things.
[19:29] <Caspian> Would it be possible to convince Prof Bronco to get you access
to furhter your investigation?
[19:29] <inquiringmind> although I'll admit I'm not an SAI pet expert.
[19:29] <Cordelia> Amber, I think Martha has tracked it to a pipe in the garden
[19:29] <Andrew> And we cant trust Kenneth
[19:29] <enaxor> it was just a thought
[19:29] <AmberSick> Has maintenance tried to access that pipe yet?
[19:29] <inquiringmind> and I don't think we can trust the SAI pet rep either
[19:29] <Cordelia> They are working on it now
[19:29] <Cordelia> I really must go...
[19:30] <AmberSick> Hugs to you, Cordelia.
[19:30] <Cordelia> Stevie wants to say hello to everyone
[19:30] <AmberSick> Yay! Stevie!
[19:30] <Cordelia> And thank you again
[19:30] <Andrew> Tell her our thoughts are with her.
[19:30] <enaxor> don't be so hard on yoursef
[19:30] <Caspian> Nice talking to you Cordelia
[19:30] <Andrew> Seth, I had a thought. Someone you might want to look into
[19:30] * Cordelia is now known as Stevie
[19:30] * delusional696 has joined #inquiringminds
[19:30] <Stevie> did I do it right?
[19:30] <inquiringmind> yes Stevie, that's fine
[19:30] <Andrew> You did good, Stevie
[19:31] <Stevie> I did! I did! I got the neame to change!
[19:31] * AmberSick waves at Stevie
[19:31] <Caspian> Greetings, Princess Stevie or the fair country of Aster-Oid Smile

[19:31] <Stevie> Hi Caspian!
[19:31] <Stevie> and Ambersick?
[19:31] <AmberSick> AmberJoy is sick. Sad

[19:31] * AmberSick is Alexandra's mommy
[19:31] <Stevie> I'm sorry you are sick AmberJoy!
[19:31] * Andrew is no ones dad, way too young for that.. is just Andrew Smile

[19:31] <Stevie> How is Alexandra!
[19:32] <AmberSick> Alexandra is great! She is enjoying her new Christmas
presents.
[19:32] <Stevie> can she come on line and talk?
[19:32] <Stevie> I got a bella dancerella for Christmas!
[19:33] <Caspian> Fun!
[19:33] <Caspian> Hey how about that science experiment kit?
[19:33] <Stevie> I think my Mommy will go see Dr. Kendra tomorrow
[19:33] <Stevie> Yeah the Science kita re fun too.
[19:33] <AmberSick> Sure, Stevie...I will let her chat for a bit.
[19:33] <Stevie> I got little dishes to grow things in
[19:33] * AmberSick is now known as Alexandra
[19:34] <Caspian> Did you look into it and find out if anything is missing?
[19:34] <Alexandra> Stevie!!
[19:34] <Stevie> Hi Alexandra!
[19:34] <Alexandra> yeah!!
[19:34] <Stevie> How was your Christmas!
[19:34] <Alexandra> I am so glad to actually talk to you.
[19:34] <Alexandra> Christmas was great.
[19:34] <Alexandra> I am sorry your Christmas wasn't so great. Sad

[19:34] <Stevie> Mommy is letting me talk because she feels guilty
[19:34] <Alexandra> But it sounds like you got some great gifts!
[19:34] <inquiringmind> oh Stevie
[19:34] <Stevie> Yeah I got a bella dancerella
[19:34] <inquiringmind> don't be too hard on your mom
[19:35] <Stevie> and some books
[19:35] <Alexandra> That's awesome!
[19:35] <Alexandra> And you got some science kits?
[19:35] <Andrew> Yeah, your mom loves you Stevie. Loves you alot. She just
misses your daddy and saddness sometimes makes people not think first.
[19:35] <Stevie> Well Mommy shouldn't get the hammer out to break Raidar!
[19:35] <Stevie> Raidar is just following his destructions
[19:35] <inquiringmind> Stevie, she just wanted to find Steven
[19:35] <Alexandra> But she didn't hurt Raidar. Smile

She stopeed.
[19:35] <Alexandra> stopped*
[19:35] <Stevie> YEah, Davi and Uncle Seth stopped her
[19:36] * Caspian is a little behind
[19:36] <Caspian> I didn't hear about the hammer or anything
[19:36] <inquiringmind> Stevie, adults can make mistakes just like kids do. We
don't always do the right thing.
[19:36] <Stevie> Radiar may know lots of stuff, but he is still just a puppy and
learning
[19:36] <Stevie> I know *sigh*
[19:36] <inquiringmind> She was just going to try to pry his belly open
[19:36] <Alexandra> Stevie, can you tell me more about your new science kits,
please?
[19:37] <Stevie> but if she does that how will he be able to keep anything safe
there?
[19:37] <Alexandra> Mommy said one of them was kind of messed up.
[19:37] <Andrew> Im sure Mr. Gulliver copuld have fixed him all up, if that had
happened Stevie
[19:37] <Stevie> Well, the chemistry kit #4 the weights were all out of their
special box, and the test tubes were all loose
[19:38] <Stevie> Yeah, but Mr. Gulliver would have had to take him down to the
ground for stuff
[19:38] <inquiringmind> sounds like you didn't put your toys away... have you
been messing around in my desk too? Wink

[19:38] <Caspian> was anything missinig or did anything looked used?
[19:38] <Alexandra> Was there anything missing from the chemistry kit, Stevie?
[19:38] <Stevie> no, just not in the spaces where it belonged
[19:39] <Stevie> And Uncle Seth, this was BEFORE I played with them
[19:39] * Stevie rolls her eyes
[19:39] <Alexandra> hehe
[19:39] <Alexandra> Mommy tells me not to roll my eyes.
[19:39] <Caspian> ha, you've got the hang of this chat Stevie
[19:39] <Alexandra> She says they might stick that way. Razz

[19:40] <Andrew> They might get stuck that way is what My mom used to tell me
[19:40] <inquiringmind> that's what my mother used to say also
[19:40] <Stevie> Because our faces will stay like that!
[19:40] <Stevie> Razz

[19:40] * Alexandra hugs Stevie
[19:41] <Alexandra> I'm so glad to actually talk to you, Stevie!
[19:41] <Alexandra> I wish you could come over so we could play together.
[19:41] <Stevie> Dr. Martha says that using the internet will at least teach me
to spell stuff correctly if I want to search for it
[19:41] <Stevie> Maybe you could come up to the station for a sleep-over!
[19:41] <Caspian> That's very true
[19:42] <inquiringmind> maybe one day girls, but right now we have some business
to discuss, don't we?
[19:42] <Stevie> We can pretend we are going exploring and put a tent up in the
Garden after Dr. Martha gets rid of the sticky smell!
[19:42] <Alexandra> sticky?
[19:42] <Alexandra> Razz

[19:42] <Stevie> stinky
[19:42] * grumpyboy has joined #inquiringminds
[19:42] <Alexandra> like taffy!!
[19:42] <Caspian> SSeth's right, we have a mystery to solve.
[19:42] <Alexandra> We could eat taffy too.
[19:43] <inquiringmind> it definitely has been "sticking" around
[19:43] <Stevie> We ate the taffy at the holiday party
[19:43] <Stevie> some of it was vanilla, and some was chocolate and some was
[19:43] <Stevie> hopscotched
[19:43] <Alexandra> lol
[19:43] * grumpyboy waves
[19:43] <inquiringmind> grumpyboy!
[19:44] <grumpyboy> hi seth
[19:44] <Stevie> Hi Grumpyboy... why are you grumpy?
[19:44] <Andrew> Our resident genius has arrived
[19:44] <Andrew> He's grumpy because he's too smart
[19:44] <grumpyboy> i'm not really, that's what it's small "g"
[19:44] <grumpyboy> Razz

[19:44] <Stevie> That sounds like Dr. Martha
[19:44] <grumpyboy> hi stevie
[19:44] * Andrew chuckles
[19:45] <Stevie> she knows all about which plants and algee and things to make
the station a better place
[19:45] <Alexandra> Stevie, I think Uncle Seth wants to talk about "business",
so maybe my mommy should come back.
[19:46] <Stevie> Grumpyboy you sure sent Uncle Seth a lot of stuff on the puzzles
[19:46] <Stevie> OK Alexandra!
[19:46] <Stevie> I love you bye bye
[19:46] <grumpyboy> stevie, i try Smile

[19:46] <Alexandra> I love you too, Stevie!! *kisses*
[19:46] <Andrew> grumpyboy is liek that Stevie.. but instead of plants, he knows
puzzles!
[19:47] <Alexandra> Will look for an email from you later.
[19:47] * grumpyboy pats stevie on the head. be good
[19:47] <Andrew> And how to make the rest of us feel inferior
[19:47] * Alexandra is now known as AmberJoy
[19:47] <Stevie> I hope you can find out how to open Raidar's tummy so mommy
doesn't have to hit it with a hammer
[19:47] <inquiringmind> All of the earth investigators have been invaluable.
[19:47] <enaxor> ya I'm grumpyboys muse
[19:47] <Caspian> We're glad we can help, Seth
[19:47] <inquiringmind> We will figure it out Stevie, don't worry.
[19:47] <Stevie> enaxor you make a good one
[19:48] <Stevie> whait, what's a muse
[19:48] <enaxor> hehe
[19:48] <enaxor> his inspiration
[19:48] <AmberJoy> It sounds like the locations of evidence on earth might be
listed in Raidar's compartment, or are hidden in repairshops.gif.
[19:48] <Stevie> ok
[19:48] <inquiringmind> I agree AmberJoy.
[19:48] <enaxor> Smile

[19:48] <Caspian> Right, either repairshops will give us the password
[19:49] <Andrew> I agree Caspian.
[19:49] <Caspian> Or the locations are hidden in repairshops itself
[19:49] <grumpyboy> so, it's NOT a stereogram
[19:49] <Andrew> Thank God
[19:49] <AmberJoy> So, when repairshops.gif is broken up into frames, and worked
on by individual frames...we can come up with a couple of options.
[19:49] <inquiringmind> I don't believe it is a stereogram. It doesn't look
like one to me anyway
[19:50] <Stevie> Davi says it is time for me to go to my on line class. So I got
to go...
[19:50] <Stevie> Sad

[19:50] <AmberJoy> Here is one option: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/classes/AY2003/c
s6262_fall/digital_steganography.pdf
[19:50] <enaxor> bye stevie
[19:50] <grumpyboy> seth, interesting coment u made about the B&W
[19:50] <AmberJoy> Awww, Stevie, it was nice to meet you.
[19:50] <grumpyboy> bye stevie
[19:50] <Stevie> Bye Enaxor
[19:50] * Caspian waves
[19:50] <enaxor> Smile

[19:50] <Caspian> Bye Stevie!
[19:50] <Stevie> bye Alexandra's Mommy
[19:51] <Caspian> Let me know if ou get that dinner we talked about Wink

[19:51] <Stevie> bye Caspian!
[19:51] <inquiringmind> I'll see you later Stevie.
[19:51] <Stevie> ok!
[19:51] <Stevie> bye!!!!!!!
[19:51] * Stevie has left #inquiringminds
[19:51] <inquiringmind> that's an interesting link Amberjoy, I'm reading through
the pdf now...
[19:52] <AmberJoy> *nod* let me know what you think
[19:52] <AmberJoy> We all worked on that earlier.
[19:52] <Andrew> We've tried overlaying semitransaprent variations of the
frames.. or they did. I have no image software.
[19:52] <AmberJoy> Mostly Ofiuco worked on it.
[19:52] <inquiringmind> are those parts you highlighted?
[19:52] <Andrew> But that game up with nothing
[19:52] <AmberJoy> no...they were already highlighted
[19:53] <inquiringmind> ok, I thought perhaps you highlighted the important
parts for me Wink

[19:53] <inquiringmind> oh! I see on page 3...
[19:53] <AmberJoy> Smile

[19:53] <inquiringmind> very interesting
[19:54] <Andrew> hmm I wasnt aroudn fo rthis.. its interestign indeed
[19:54] <Caspian> Seth, have you ever encountered Steganography before?
[19:54] <Andrew> It was used on Elementary
[19:54] <inquiringmind> steganography in general? Yes, I have.
[19:54] <Caspian> Ah that's right
[19:55] <Caspian> I thought Steven had used it already, but I couldn't remember
for certain.
[19:55] <inquiringmind> has anyone tried this method in the pdf on the static
file we have?
[19:55] <grumpyboy> oh dear
[19:55] <inquiringmind> oh dear?
[19:55] <AmberJoy> Ofiuco did.
[19:55] <AmberJoy> It was A LOT of work.
[19:55] <AmberJoy> She came up with pairs of letters and numbers.
[19:55] <inquiringmind> ah, I guess our file is quite a bit larger than the one
in the pdf, isn't it?
[19:55] <grumpyboy> seems very complicated Razz

[19:57] <inquiringmind> ah yes, complicated. I wouldn't put it past Steven to
create something complicated
[19:57] <inquiringmind> As we've seen with some of the other puzzles already...
[19:57] <AmberJoy> The other thing we noticed is that when we opened the frames
in Notepad or Word, the alphabet and numbers showed up in order.
[19:58] * Andrew grumbles about Luck
[19:58] <inquiringmind> what do you mean, Amber?
[19:58] <AmberJoy> ...in sets of 3...
[19:58] <Andrew> Whoa...
[19:58] <AmberJoy> !!!"""###$$$%%%&&&'''((()))***+++,,,---...///00011122233344455
5666777888999:::;;;<<<===>>>???@@@AAABBBCCCDDDEEEFFFGGGHHHIIIJJJKKKLLLMMMNNNOOO
PPPQQQRRRSSSTTTUUUVVVWWWXXXYYYZZZ[[[\\\]]]^^^___```aaabbbcccdddeeefffggghhhiiij
jjkkklllmmmnnnooopppqqqrrrssstttuuuvvvwwwxxxyyyzzz{{{|||}}}~~~
[19:58] <JustLurking> ?
[19:58] <inquiringmind> ah, I've seen things like that before
[19:58] <Andrew> I only tried opening the whole GIF in notepad
[19:58] <Andrew> I never though to try the frames
[19:58] <grumpyboy> i think that's normal
[19:59] <inquiringmind> I just opened a random gif file and got...
��߻��vvv
[19:59] <AmberJoy> okay Smile

it was just an observation
[20:00] <Andrew> Good eyes though, Amber
[20:00] <inquiringmind> sometimes the best way to eliminate a possible solution
is to try to prove that it is the wrong solution Wink

[20:00] <Andrew> And once you eliminate the impossible...
[20:00] <Caspian> what remains is the truth
[20:01] <inquiringmind> correct Smile

[20:01] * Andrew thwaps Caspian
[20:01] <Caspian> or something Sherlocky like that Wink

[20:01] <JustLurking> once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no
matter how improbable, must be the truth
[20:01] <Andrew> Thank yu JL
[20:01] <Andrew> Glad to see someones cultured
[20:02] * Andrew doesnt mentioned he learned it from Data
[20:02] <JustLurking> well, considering that I'm completely lost on the static
[20:02] <AmberJoy> lol
[20:02] <Andrew> Anyway.. I need to focus
[20:02] <Caspian> Perhaps we should table the idea of Stegganography for a while
then?
[20:02] <inquiringmind> ok, well what do we have here.... we have 7 frames of
static...
[20:02] <Caspian> Try another angle?
[20:02] <inquiringmind> we have a possible way to hide data in static....
[20:03] <inquiringmind> or perhaps I'm wrong.
[20:03] <Andrew> The method seems liek its a good one to try.. has Ofiuco been
able to make anythign of her results, Amber?
[20:04] <inquiringmind> the lack of sleep and the continuous staring at the
static for secret images may have dulled my mind.
[20:04] <AmberJoy> I will show them to you... She didn't know what to do with
them.
[20:04] <Andrew> I think it did that to all of us
[20:04] <AmberJoy> This is just a very small portion of one of the frames:
[20:04] <Andrew> I know I had to put eyedrosp in last night, they literally hurt
[20:04] <AmberJoy> 4B 74 00 65 01 73 78 74 EB 74 4C 65 B0 73 99 74 40 74 6C 65
09 73 00 74 21
[20:04] <JustLurking> those look like letters
[20:04] <Andrew> Looks kinda like hex
[20:05] <JustLurking> but the first two translate to Kt
[20:05] <Andrew> It could be hex, then another transformation.. like anagramming
or ROT
[20:05] <inquiringmind> what about the next two?
[20:06] <JustLurking> Kt, then null, then e
[20:06] <enaxor> Ktesxt�tLe�s�t@tle st!
[20:06] <Andrew> Gah!
[20:06] <JustLurking> gah?
[20:06] <Andrew> Its icky
[20:06] <Caspian> We've had gibberish results before, but I don't think this much
[20:06] <Andrew> I dont even know the NAMES for two of those symbols..
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[20:06] <JustLurking> but this isn't even alphanumeric
[20:06] <inquiringmind> are you using an online translator enaxor?
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[20:07] <JustLurking> that's about what I was getting
[20:07] <enaxor> http://nickciske.com/tools/hex.php
[20:07] <inquiringmind> "about" or exactly?
[20:07] <Caspian> that's not quite what i was getting actually
[20:08] <Caspian> it was close
[20:08] <JustLurking> what were you getting, caspian?
[20:08] <Caspian> I get "Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!"
[20:08] <inquiringmind> I get "Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!" using a different
translator
[20:08] <Caspian> looks like what I got
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[20:09] <Andrew> So either its not hex.. or we need to transform THAT somehow
[20:09] <AmberJoy> but that is just a tiny part of one frame.
[20:09] <Caspian> Well, taking the � as just a u and the � as an O...
[20:09] <AmberJoy> Do you think we need to do that with all 7 frames??
[20:10] <Caspian> you might be able to make coherent sense out of it
[20:10] <enaxor> I tried using this one too http://snarkles.net/scripts/sneak/sn
eak.php
[20:10] <Andrew> And you could take @ as a
[20:10] <C[a]usepoet> looks like there are a lot of the same letter repeating
[20:10] <JustLurking> Kt e sxtutke_sotatle s t!
[20:10] <inquiringmind> I just used this one ... http://www.vortex.prodigynet.co.
uk/misc/ascii_conv.html
[20:10] <AmberJoy> Yes, Ofiuco noticed there were a lot of Ts and Es.
[20:10] <Caspian> I'm sorry, but how did we get those numbers from the frames?
[20:10] <C[a]usepoet> and s
[20:10] <inquiringmind> do you think it would help to have a larger sample?
[20:11] * C[a]usepoet is now known as Causepoet
[20:11] <AmberJoy> by using this method: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/classes/AY2003
/cs6262_fall/digital_steganography.pdf
[20:11] <inquiringmind> Sometimes it's hard to see a pattern with so few things
to work with.
[20:11] <Caspian> yes, I think we should do the whole file
[20:11] <AmberJoy> agreed, Seth
[20:11] <Andrew> Indeed
[20:11] <Andrew> Excuse me, my dog wants let out
[20:11] <inquiringmind> we could break up the work and get it done quicker?
[20:12] <inquiringmind> Although I guess it's hard to break up pixels?
[20:12] <Causepoet> Too bad he isn't a robot. he wouldn need to go out
[20:12] <enaxor> lol
[20:13] <Andrew> I'm back
[20:13] <inquiringmind> welcome back Andrew
[20:13] <Causepoet> that was quick
[20:13] <Andrew> Oh shes just outside
[20:13] <Andrew> She'll bark when she wants to come in
[20:13] <Andrew> But anyway.. we could at least split up the frames
[20:14] <Caspian> yes for sure
[20:14] <enaxor> let raidar do it
[20:14] <Caspian> That's a good point
[20:15] <Andrew> It probably require soem programming..
[20:15] <inquiringmind> that's a good idea enaxor... is there a good way to
automate this process?
[20:15] <Andrew> I dunno..
[20:15] <Causepoet> But a robot only knows what it is programmed to lok for
[20:15] <Andrew> I know some C
[20:15] <Causepoet> look
[20:15] <enaxor> his programming seems pretty advanced
[20:15] <enaxor> isn't it?
[20:15] <Andrew> But Im not sure if its enough to program commands liek this
[20:15] <Causepoet> what if it misses the pattern it wasn't programmed for?
[20:16] <Caspian> true, but since he is an AI that can understand human speech,
we should be able to tell him an algorithm in plain English and have him carry
it out.
[20:16] <inquiringmind> well, lets think about this from Steven's point of
view...
[20:16] <inquiringmind> he had to create this somehow, right?
[20:16] <enaxor> right
[20:16] <Andrew> So.. there must be a program to do it
[20:17] <Andrew> He was puttign this together ina hurry right?
[20:17] <inquiringmind> if this is indeed the correct method, I doubt he did it
all by hand
[20:17] <inquiringmind> I'm not sure how long he prepared for this
[20:17] <Caspian> It had to have been a while
[20:17] <Andrew> But I mean.. with his job, theres no way he had time to make
this file by hand
[20:17] <Andrew> the gif, I mean
[20:17] <inquiringmind> I think it would be safe to assume that.
[20:18] <Andrew> and since it was somethign he had related to Raidar
[20:18] <Andrew> It had to be after Raidar was gotten anyway
[20:18] <inquiringmind> Do we really know that?
[20:18] <Andrew> .. hm, I suppose not
[20:19] <Andrew> Getting ahead of myself.
[20:19] <Andrew> Apologies.
[20:19] <inquiringmind> no need to apologize Smile

[20:20] <Andrew> Foudn soemthing...
[20:20] <Andrew> hold on...
[20:20] <enaxor> so we need to find a program to do this for us
[20:20] <Andrew> Wait. no.. wasnt what it seemed
[20:20] * Andrew is looking now
[20:20] <inquiringmind> or I'm assuming we could do this by hand
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[20:22] <Caspian> Alright, so how do we begin this method by hand? I assume we
need to split up the gif into frames
[20:22] <enaxor> did you guys use hex editor to get those numbers?
[20:23] <inquiringmind> I'm looking at the first frame now to see what I come up
with
[20:25] <inquiringmind> we had "Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!" so far. The next few
I believe are "t?e s" making Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s
[20:26] <Andrew> I'll try to start in on frame 2, if I have the proper image
software...
[20:26] <grumpyboy> i think i get this
[20:26] <inquiringmind> Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$
[20:27] <inquiringmind> someone should probably double check my work though
[20:28] <Andrew> As soon as I understand how to do this... I can
[20:28] <Caspian> Alright for those of us catching up
[20:28] <Caspian> To split the GIF yourself use http://www.snapfiles.com/get/gifs
plitter.html
[20:31] <enaxor> so once you have them split up, then what?
[20:31] <enaxor> what program do you load them into?
[20:32] <AmberJoy> I use Paint Shop Pro for graphics.
[20:32] <Andrew> Paint.. I guess. Its all I've got, I just gotta learn how to
find the ASCII value of the color
[20:33] * Andrew does not have such fancy toys for his own computer is in storage
[20:33] * enaxor puts on the dunce cap and goes to the corner
[20:36] <AmberJoy> I can't figure out a way to do it in Paint, but I am not all
that familiar with Paint.
[20:36] <Caspian> There probably isn't a way to do it in Paint
[20:36] <Caspian> Mayby photoshop?
[20:36] <Andrew> Then, Im afraid I'm useless.
[20:36] <Andrew> I dont have photoshop
[20:37] <Andrew> Sorry folks.
[20:37] <inquiringmind> ah, you're not useless Andrew.
[20:37] <Caspian> Seth, you found the next couple characters using the method in
the PDF, yes?
[20:38] <inquiringmind> yes, I did
[20:38] <grumpyboy> hmmmm....
[20:38] <Caspian> Could you tell us how you got the hex value of the pixels once
the GIF was split?
[20:38] <inquiringmind> yes, grumpyboy?
[20:38] <enaxor> hmmm?
[20:38] <grumpyboy> i should be able to get this
[20:40] <AmberJoy> I only know how to get the HTML code for the colors.
[20:40] <Caspian> how do you do that?
[20:42] <AmberJoy> I open the color palette in PSP, then use the dropper on each
pixel.
[20:42] <AmberJoy> So first pixel is #494949
[20:43] <Caspian> we should be able to get the hex code from that
[20:44] <Caspian> wait, that is hex
[20:44] <Caspian> (R,G,B ) = (49, 49, 49)
[20:45] <Causepoet> That is hue not hex
[20:45] <AmberJoy> no
[20:45] <AmberJoy> R=73
[20:45] <AmberJoy> G=73
[20:45] <AmberJoy> B=73
[20:45] <inquiringmind> a bit more... Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$t�ees
[20:45] <inquiringmind> this is definitely time consuming
[20:46] <Caspian> Seth, could you tell us how you got the hex value of the
pixels?
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[20:47] <Andrew> Tell you what.. I'll look again to see if I can find a PROGRAM
that does this..
[20:47] <Causepoet> still a large proprtion of t, s, e,
[20:47] <Andrew> Seth... I dont suppose theres one loaded on Steven's computer?
[20:49] <inquiringmind> I can look for one, but I wouldn't count on it.
[20:49] <inquiringmind> Much of his computer is locked down
[20:49] <Andrew> Dont bother.. it was jsut desperate ramblings
[20:49] <inquiringmind> What I could get to, I've looked at over and over again
Smile

[20:50] <Causepoet> what we don't have any script monkeys here?
[20:50] <AmberJoy> Does it help any if I split each frame into Red/Green/Blue?
[20:50] <rose> hello everyone
[20:50] <rose> hello Seth
[20:52] <Andrew> Sorry no, CP.. I only took one semester of C++.. definitely not
enough to do this
[20:52] <inquiringmind> hello rose Smile

[20:52] <AmberJoy> Frame 1 has 256 unique colors.
[20:53] <Causepoet> grayscale?
[20:53] <AmberJoy> yes
[20:53] <inquiringmind> caspian: you just need to load the frame into a program
like photoshop and use the eye dropper on each pixel
[20:54] <Caspian> ok that's what I thought. I just don't happen to have
Photoshop installed right now
[20:54] <Caspian> thanks
[20:54] <AmberJoy> I have Paint Shop Pro and the dropper gives me RGB and HTML
[20:54] * Caspian smacks forehead
[20:54] <Caspian> yes, yes i do
[20:54] <Causepoet> can't HTML be converted to ascii codes?
[20:55] <JustLurking> you can probably use GIMP, too
[20:55] <inquiringmind> I'm not sure Causepoet
[20:55] <inquiringmind> does anyone know?
[20:56] <inquiringmind> Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$t�ees�t�t
[20:56] <inquiringmind> is anyone still here? Or is everyone staring at pixels?
[20:57] <JustLurking> I'm starting to wonder if that's right.....it's still not
looking like anything
[20:57] <inquiringmind> Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$t�ees�t�t e+
[20:57] <Andrew> Im trying to gbet paint to work
[20:57] <AmberJoy> staring at pixels LOL
[20:57] <Caspian> staring at pixels
[20:57] <AmberJoy> and I still don't know how to make my program give me ascii
codes
[20:57] <Andrew> I can eyedrop... but I dont know how to find the values for the
colors
[20:57] <Caspian> Paint won't do it Andrew
[20:57] <grumpyboy> quite a test, i must say
[20:58] <JustLurking> besides, seems like an awful lot of work for Steven go
through....why bother with the symbols?
[20:58] <inquiringmind> a test?
[20:58] <inquiringmind> oh!
[20:58] <JustLurking> oh?
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[20:58] <Andrew> oh?
[20:59] <Sherlock_Holmes> hey ya'll
[20:59] <Causepoet> a test?
[20:59] <Causepoet> Hi Sherlock!
[20:59] <Sherlock_Holmes> sorry i'm late
[20:59] <Sherlock_Holmes> yoga
[20:59] <inquiringmind> it appears that we've all been staring at quite a test
[20:59] <grumpyboy> heh
[21:00] <rose> so - is that the answer?
[21:00] <rose> and hi gb Very Happy

[21:00] * Sherlock_Holmes raises his eyebrows
[21:00] <inquiringmind> it's hard to say. This is only a small portion of one
of the frames...
[21:00] <Causepoet> testing testing?
[21:01] <inquiringmind> we'd either have to continue on this manual route,
splitting up the work... or find an automatic way to do this
[21:01] <Caspian> there has to be an automated way
[21:01] <Caspian> I tried looking at the bmp in a hex editor, but i'm not
getting anything like the characters you are getting
[21:01] <Andrew> There MUST be
[21:02] <Andrew> But I have found any such programs with google
[21:02] * Sherlock_Holmes snarls at the lack of automation
[21:02] <Andrew> I foudn a few essays on the subject of creating such a program
[21:02] <Andrew> But no program itself
[21:02] <Sherlock_Holmes> d'arvit!
[21:04] <inquiringmind> surely, there has to be someone on your team who knows a
bit about programming?
[21:04] <inquiringmind> I could ask one of the computer people here, but that
would be quite a great risk to take
[21:04] <Sherlock_Holmes> i know how to make c++ talk to you, but not much else
[21:04] <Sherlock_Holmes> oh!
[21:04] <AmberJoy> Would this help? http://centricle.com/tools/ascii-hex/
[21:04] <JustLurking> hmm
[21:04] <Caspian> I could generate something in perl, but not tonight
[21:04] <Caspian> I found this tool
[21:04] <Caspian> http://www.softforall.com/WebAuthoring/WebDesignUtilities/Colou
r_Detector10070084_download.htm
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[21:05] <rose> what are we trying to do exactly?
[21:05] <Caspian> Gives you the HEX, RGB, HTML, and LONG code for each color
[21:05] * rose knows a few programmers Smile

[21:05] <AmberJoy> ROSE: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/classes/AY2003/cs6262_fall/dig
ital_steganography.pdf
[21:05] <Andrew> of each pixel, Caspian?
[21:05] <AmberJoy> page 3
[21:05] <Caspian> any color you point to
[21:06] <Caspian> it's basically like the eyedropper in photoshop
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[21:06] <Sherlock_Holmes> what do we need to know...porgrammingwise
[21:06] <JustLurking> hmmm
[21:06] <rose> hi Ikkarus
[21:06] <Ikkarus> evening
[21:06] <Andrew> If you can program this Caspian.. how soon could you do it? Not
tonight you said, but when?
[21:07] <Caspian> eh...i dunno i'm not that good
[21:07] <Sherlock_Holmes> guys, i'm talking to people on mozilla's server. what
do we need?
[21:07] <Caspian> we need to take a bit map
[21:07] <Caspian> and convert the pixel color values into ascii
[21:08] <inquiringmind> we need to have a program that will find the pixel color
values and then convert them to ascii
[21:08] <JustLurking> this sounds like a job for Java
[21:09] <AmberJoy> http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/decimal_converter
_info/
[21:09] <inquiringmind> or at least a program that would load the images and
find the pixel color values for us
[21:10] <rose> sometimes I feel that Steven is very annoying with these puzzles
Smile

[21:10] <Causepoet> That he has been.
[21:10] <rose> but that is because I am impatient
[21:11] <inquiringmind> I've been frustrated with him also Smile

I'll make sure I
pass that on when we find him.
[21:11] <rose> heh
[21:11] <AmberJoy> lol
[21:11] <Rowan> has anyone tried using the program gifshuffle to see if it was
done with that?
[21:11] <rose> yeah - tell him next time he goes missing to make the trail
easier to follow Smile

[21:12] <Andrew> Or at least to make some puzzles involving rocket egines.
[21:12] <Andrew> I coul dbe good at those
[21:13] <JustLurking> I'll look into what C++ has
[21:13] <rose> any word on what is causing the smell in the garden?
[21:14] <inquiringmind> yes rose, it seems that the smell is being caused by a
pipe
[21:14] <Causepoet> They traced it to a pipe rose
[21:14] <rose> oh I missed that
[21:14] <rose> sorry
[21:14] <inquiringmind> Martha and her team are working on it now to find out
the exact problem
[21:14] <inquiringmind> no problem Smile

[21:15] <Causepoet> I think we just learned that tonight Smile

[21:15] <Sherlock_Holmes> hey guys!
[21:15] <Sherlock_Holmes> i think i have something
[21:15] <Causepoet> yeah Sherlock?
[21:15] <inquiringmind> I went through and did a few more and the pattern is
still the same... Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$t�ees�t�t e+s�_t
[21:15] <inquiringmind> you do, Sherlock?
[21:15] <Sherlock_Holmes> https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=2
71&application=firefox
[21:16] <Sherlock_Holmes> if you want to thank someone, go to the server
irc.mozilla.org, and channel #bugs. thank a guy named ryan
[21:17] <JustLurking> not bad
[21:17] <JustLurking> but not automated
[21:18] <Sherlock_Holmes> true
[21:18] <Causepoet> but firefox is opensource
[21:18] <Caspian> yeah this point and click thing will never get us thru all 7
bmps
[21:18] <Causepoet> isn't it?
[21:18] <Rowan> so did anyone answer my question and i just missed it?
[21:18] <Caspian> yes, i believe it is
[21:18] <Sherlock_Holmes> hmmmm...
[21:18] <Caspian> no, i've never actually heard of gif shuffler Rowan, link?
[21:18] <rose> I dont think that it was answered Rowan
[21:18] <inquiringmind> oh, sorry rowan. I missed your question...
[21:18] <inquiringmind> I had my head in pixels
[21:19] <Rowan> http://www.darkside.com.au/gifshuffle/
[21:19] <Rowan> it was linked below on the pdf amber was talking about
[21:19] <Caspian> ah
[21:20] <Causepoet> Thanks Rowan
[21:20] <inquiringmind> I'll download it and see exactly what it does.
[21:20] <Rowan> i just cant imagine steven taking the time to encode every pixel
on 7 gifs seperatly by hand - especially if he was in a hurry
[21:21] <Caspian> agreed
[21:21] <inquiringmind> even if he wasn't in a hurry.
[21:21] <Andrew> I have it.
[21:21] <Andrew> But I cant make it do anything
[21:21] <Rowan> well, i ran it on the animated gif, but didnt really get anything
[21:21] <inquiringmind> If a program could be made to do it, he would make it.
[21:22] <Caspian> well, and i'm guessing steven could write a program, even a
script, to do it for him fairly quickly
[21:22] <JustLurking> well, what about the individual images?
[21:22] <Rowan> i dont know if it does them on .bmp
[21:22] <inquiringmind> and anything that can be made with a script should be
able to be unmade with a script?
[21:22] <Caspian> theoretically
[21:22] <Rowan> well Seth - do you have the ability to script something like
that?
[21:22] <Rowan> because this was meant for you after all
[21:22] <Caspian> but you need to follow the exact same algorithm that was used
to create it
[21:23] <Rowan> would Steven give you something you couldnt solve on your own?
[21:23] <inquiringmind> As an investigator you have to know when you can't do
something yourself and find others who can help you.
[21:23] <Rowan> so where would you go?
[21:23] <Rowan> without looking at us
[21:23] <Rowan> because Steven had no idea we would be helping you
[21:24] <Caspian> Steven is a very smart man, they have a tendency to think
things are simpler than they actually are
[21:24] <inquiringmind> I would search for a programmer.... but it would have to
be one on Earth.
[21:24] <Andrew> I've put out a call for programmers
[21:24] <rose> Steven seems to think that people can solve really hard puzzles
without the assistance of grumpyboy
[21:24] <Rowan> well, what programmers do you know?
[21:24] <Andrew> I'll also send an email back to some CE/CS peopel from college
[21:24] <rose> are we sure that this is the way to solve this puzzle?
[21:24] <Andrew> HJopefully they'll help me
[21:25] <Andrew> ...
[21:25] <inquiringmind> and since I don't trust any of the programmers here, I
would normally ask contacts I already have on Earth for people they knew with
programming skills.
[21:25] <Andrew> Oh my god
[21:25] <Andrew> Of course
[21:25] <Andrew> 1) Take a bitmap
[21:25] <rose> because Mapmaker should be able to do this
[21:25] <Andrew> 2) Look at each pixel
[21:25] <Andrew> 3) Gives us the ASCII value of that color.
[21:25] <Andrew> NM that!
[21:25] <Andrew> JOHNATHAN!
[21:25] <Andrew> Johnathan Reinhardt!
[21:25] <Sherlock_Holmes> ..?
[21:25] <inquiringmind> Since I have already have made contact with you, it
makes my job simpler now doesn't it?
[21:25] <Andrew> Former IT guru for Orbicon.
[21:25] <inquiringmind> Johnathan Reinhardt?
[21:25] <Rowan> except that none of us are programmers
[21:25] <Andrew> "quit"
[21:25] <Andrew> aroudn the time that Orbicon was hacked
[21:25] <Sherlock_Holmes> !!
[21:25] * Andrew falls over
[21:25] <inquiringmind> I don't know him though. Why would I trust him?
[21:25] <rose> what does that mean?
[21:26] <Rowan> you dont know us either
[21:26] <Rowan> so dont play the trust card
[21:26] <Caspian> kinda risky asking someone with ties to orbicon, isn't it?
[21:26] <Causepoet> I would have thougth it was a case of "you can quit or we
can fire you"
[21:26] <Andrew> True...
[21:26] <Andrew> Sorry.
[21:26] <inquiringmind> ah, I didn't trust you in the beginning did I?
[21:26] <Andrew> I got a littl overexcited there
[21:26] <Rowan> i still dont know why you trust us now
[21:26] <Caspian> We helped solve Steven's puzzle trail, Rowan. We earned his
trust.
[21:26] <Andrew> Well, regardless as to whether we go to him over this.. indeed
we may be able to find a unrelate dprogrammer
[21:27] <inquiringmind> sometimes you have to give a little trust in order to
move forward
[21:27] <Andrew> Which woul dbe better
[21:27] <Rowan> so why not contact Reinhardt?
[21:27] <Rowan> what do you have to lose?
[21:27] <Caspian> I don't think it's such a great idea, actually
[21:27] <rose> oh I think that xnbomb might help us
[21:27] <Andrew> But, when you have time, Seth.. try to find out what happened
with Reainhardt.. he's been in the back of my mind since the day he 'quit'
[21:27] <inquiringmind> what do I have to lose? The life of a friend!
[21:27] <Andrew> xnbomb?
[21:27] <rose> he is brilliant at this stuff
[21:27] <Causepoet> They same thing he could lose by contacting you Rowan ...lol
[21:28] <rose> a friend of mine
[21:28] <Andrew> Go for it
[21:28] <Rowan> yet you let perfect strangers (any of whom could be on Orbicon's
staff) run rampant through your research
[21:28] <Causepoet> Rowan are you on Orbicon's staff?
[21:28] <Rowan> maybe
[21:28] <Andrew> I'll email snivesguy, a friend of mine.. but I havent spoken to
him in long time so Im not sure.
[21:28] <rose> so maybe this is why Steven made the puzzles so hard
[21:29] <inquiringmind> I believe so rose.
[21:29] <Rowan> why? so Seth couldnt finish them on his own?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:39 am

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[21:29] <Caspian> Actually yes
[21:29] <Rowan> when he wanted Seth (and only seth) to get the info?
[21:29] <Rowan> sorry - dont buy it
[21:29] <inquiringmind> that's where you are wrong rowan
[21:29] <Caspian> In the letter in the puzzle trait he tols Seth he knew Seth
would need Stevie's help
[21:29] <inquiringmind> Steven wanted to get this information out. That's why I
came up here in the first place.
[21:29] <Rowan> then why not send it to the media?
[21:30] <Causepoet> Rowan, given that ther eare lots of "smart" people on the
station, Steven also wouldn't want the average joe there to be ablre to find
out the info either
[21:30] <Andrew> As soon as we can secure Steven's safetly...
[21:30] <inquiringmind> while he is on Igor's space station?
[21:30] <Andrew> you bet your ass we will contact the media.
[21:30] <Causepoet> I can't see Bronco looking for people to help him decode
stuff
[21:30] <Rowan> there are PLENTY of ways that Steven could have made it so that
only Seth, with the help of Stevie and/or Cordelia, could access the info
[21:30] <Rowan> I'm sure they have their own secrets
[21:31] <Rowan> Like Seth not being afraid of heights
[21:31] <Caspian> Alright Rowan, you make good points, but the fact is Steven
didn't make it easy enough for Seth to solve on his own
[21:31] <Rowan> but no, steven has to go and make it so hard that Seth has to
get outside help - and he goes and uses people he doesnt even know
[21:31] <inquiringmind> Anyway, back to this puzzle we have in front of us.
[21:31] <Andrew> Indeed.
[21:31] <Andrew> Rose, contact that friend of yours if you could
[21:31] <Caspian> And frankly I don't really see what complaining about how
Steven should have made his puzzles different will help
[21:31] <inquiringmind> Every minute we waste talking about Steven's decisions,
is a minute we're not spending on this puzzle.
[21:31] <rose> I did
[21:32] <Caspian> agreed
[21:32] <Rowan> hahahahhahaha
[21:32] <Rowan> thats rich
[21:32] <Andrew> ROwan. Lose the attitude.
[21:32] <Causepoet> Rowan why do you sound like you are crying "sour grapes"?
[21:33] <Rowan> because for a smart person, Steven is an idiot
[21:33] <Rowan> I'm sorry.
[21:33] <Causepoet> we should be consentrating on the puzzle and not why Steven
did this
[21:33] <Causepoet> Yeah, Smart people are usually clueless ones
[21:33] <Causepoet> they lack common sence
[21:33] <Causepoet> sense
[21:33] <Causepoet> I saw it a lot in my college professors
[21:34] * Andrew has no common sense
[21:34] <Causepoet> I worked in a labe that they had a lot of contamination of
samples
[21:34] <Causepoet> because they forgot that bulk non-sterile plastic still had
a bioload on it
[21:35] <Causepoet> and you know what happends if you get bacteria in a sample
jar containing sugar and set on a warm HPLC machine?
[21:35] <Sherlock_Holmes> well, i must be off for a few minutes. bbl
[21:35] <Sherlock_Holmes> @poet-no
[21:35] <Sherlock_Holmes> what
[21:35] <Causepoet> an organism that doubles every frickin' 40 minutes
[21:36] <Causepoet> in a one ml container
[21:36] <Sherlock_Holmes> dang
[21:36] <Causepoet> in 17 hours run time you get a container full of crap
[21:36] <Causepoet> I showed them they could do bulk autoclaving and completely
solved the contamination problem
[21:37] <Causepoet> and a Masters candidate and a full professor couldn't figure
that out
[21:37] <inquiringmind> sounds like you should chat with Cordelia Smile

[21:37] <AmberJoy> Very Happy

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[21:37] <Causepoet> SO yeah, Steven is smart, but he is clueless Rowan
[21:38] <Causepoet> so can we get back to graysacle ascii codes. Please?
[21:38] <inquiringmind> I wouldn't say clueless causepoet. He's working with
what he has. He's on a space station controlled by Bronco. In a lot of ways
his hands were tied.
[21:38] <Causepoet> ^shrug^
[21:38] <rose> Seth: do you think there is any real hope that Steven is still
alive?
[21:38] <Causepoet> that is immaterial at this point Seth.
[21:39] <Causepoet> the point is we have a dilemma in front of us
[21:39] <inquiringmind> If I think like an investigator, I'm worried...
[21:39] * Andrew needs a drink
[21:39] <Causepoet> how to convert this grayscale into ascii codes...right?
[21:39] <inquiringmind> It is quite unusual for someone to be missing for this
long and be found alive
[21:39] <Andrew> Yep. Pizel by pizel
[21:40] <Causepoet> I'm no code programmer.
[21:40] <Causepoet> I wish I was
[21:41] <inquiringmind> neither am I. I can surely start a search for one on
Earth, but I'm not sure how long it will take. I'll also look into what
Raidar's capabilities are.
[21:41] <rose> I think that Mapmaker can help with this one too
[21:42] <rose> my friend xnbomb is brilliant at solving this sort of puzzle
[21:42] <AmberJoy> he is online
[21:42] <AmberJoy> is he at the computer?
[21:43] <rose> yes he is
[21:43] <JustLurking> where's the gif decompiler?
[21:43] <inquiringmind> well I hope that one of them can help.
[21:43] <JustLurking> I'm working on it myself, Setf
[21:43] <JustLurking> Seth ;P
[21:43] <inquiringmind> I will continue to try to work on these by hand in the
meantime...
[21:44] <inquiringmind> I wonder if all of the frames are going to use the same
pattern like the first?
[21:44] <Caspian> Are you doing every third pixel or every pixel?
[21:44] <inquiringmind> the first one was every other pixel
[21:44] <grumpyboy> heh
[21:45] <inquiringmind> 04 01Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$t�ees�t�t e+
[21:45] <Andrew> Well, in coding the program, depending on how much time/skill I
had...
[21:46] <Causepoet> I'm sorry Seth, for being counter productive.
[21:46] <Andrew> I think we need to in the MINIMAL version of a program it shoul
dhit EVERY pixel
[21:46] * Causepoet is now known as C[a]usepoet
[21:46] <Caspian> agreed, let's not skip pixels
[21:46] <inquiringmind> it's ok causepoet. I know I'm stressed out over this. I
thought we'd find him by now.
[21:46] <Andrew> We can always cut out stuff by hand later
[21:46] <Caspian> exactly
[21:46] <inquiringmind> and I don't know what else to do but follow what we've
been given.
[21:46] <Andrew> If we get a programmer whos willing to put in the effort
[21:47] <Caspian> i could but not until next week
[21:47] <Caspian> i have a big presentation tomorrow i should have started hours
ago ;
[21:47] <C[a]usepoet> It's just ... regardless of how I feel about Steven...
that kid of his...
[21:47] <Caspian> Wink

[21:47] <C[a]usepoet> that Kid just has my heart
[21:47] <inquiringmind> I mean, I know he made these puzzles before he
disappeared so.... I don't know. They may not even lead to him, just his
evidence.
[21:47] <Caspian> Ditto. I never even spoke to Steven. I just want to find him
so Stevie will be happy.
[21:48] <Andrew> They could create it, using a visual interface - liek VB -
that'll let us pick the skippign pattern.. but coding that woul dbe craziness
[21:48] * Andrew nods
[21:48] <Andrew> Stevie is adorable..
[21:48] <Andrew> I dont really talk to her.. not like alot of you
[21:48] <Andrew> Pretty much I only email you, Seth
[21:48] <Andrew> I'm not always that goo dwith kids.
[21:49] <Andrew> But from what Ive seen... she's a sweet kid. Deserves a father
[21:49] <inquiringmind> every kid does
[21:49] <Caspian> So Seth, I've been busy searching for programs and haven't
really tried this for myself... Once you have the color code from photoshop or
whathaveyou
[21:49] <inquiringmind> I know what it's like to grow up without one. No kid
deserves that.
[21:49] <Caspian> For example the first pixel gives us a capital K, which value
from the eyedropper gave you that?
[21:50] <inquiringmind> 4B
[21:51] <inquiringmind> I'm using photoshop, btw.
[21:51] <Andrew> Photoshop is what Id imagine Steven would intend us to use
[21:51] <Caspian> Just 4B? I thought colors were always 6 characters
[21:51] <Andrew> Its one of, if not the, most common such tool
[21:53] <AmberJoy> Yeah, Caspian, that is HTML, which is what I have too. I
don't know how to get the Hex.
[21:53] <Caspian> well each set of two in those 6 character HTML codes is Hex
[21:54] <Caspian> Ahh I see
[21:54] <inquiringmind> caspian: if you use photoshop you'll see that the full
answer is 4B4B4B
[21:54] <Caspian> I'm using Paint to blow up the image
[21:54] <Caspian> and then colordetector
[21:54] <Caspian> which gives me 4B4B4B
[21:55] <inquiringmind> right. now just use the 4B and put it in one of the
online translators like http://www.vortex.prodigynet.co.uk/misc/ascii_conv.html
[21:55] <inquiringmind> and it will give you K Smile

[21:55] <AmberJoy> it gave me 494949
[21:55] <Caspian> Right, that much I got earlier Wink

I just didn't know where the
4B was coming from
[21:55] <Caspian> If you put the BMP in paint and zoom to 8x the pixels are
really well defined
[21:56] <Caspian> Colour Detector works really well in conjunction with it
[21:56] <inquiringmind> I've got mine zoomed to 1100%, but my eyes aren't so
good anymore Smile

[21:56] <C[a]usepoet> Ascii/hex/octal/character chart: http://www.lookuptables.co
m/
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[21:57] * AmberJoy is now known as [A]mberJoy
[21:57] * Andrew digs aroudn to see if he can find an old phtoshop CD form one
of his old computers lyign around
[21:57] * Andrew is sick of not being able to help.. at all
[21:57] <[A]mberJoy> Seth, it was good to meet you. I must sleep now. I am
sick.
[21:57] <rose> hi Ehsan!
[21:57] <Ehsan> morning
[21:57] <rose> Ehsan is a good programmer
[21:57] <rose> even brilliant
[21:57] <C[a]usepoet> ascii/html codes: http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm
[21:58] <Caspian> you'd think you'd be able to get the color code from the hex
in the file
[21:58] <rose> what are we trying to do again?
[21:58] <Caspian> go thru a bitmap and print out the HEX color code for each
pixel
[21:58] <inquiringmind> good morning Ehsan Smile

[21:58] <Caspian> preferably converted to ASCII
[21:58] <inquiringmind> although it's feeling quite late to me
[21:59] <Andrew> Indeed. Its 1am here on the east coast
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[21:59] <Andrew> Lord knwos what time you station people use
[21:59] <Caspian> I'm guessing GMT?
[21:59] <Caspian> or Maldives time?
[21:59] <inquiringmind> depends on who you ask Wink

[21:59] * Andrew finds an old AOL cd during his search.. sets it aside to pu tin
the microwave
[22:00] <grumpyboy> can someone post the individual frames of the gif
[22:00] <C[a]usepoet> Andrew what a waste of a perfectly good microwave
[22:00] <Ikkarus> well, what time is it to YOU?
[22:00] <rose> they are there I think
[22:00] <inquiringmind> activities are going on at all hours around here Smile

[22:00] <grumpyboy> i'm meaning to ask what files r people working from
[22:00] <rose> one sec gb
[22:00] <inquiringmind> I can post the individual frames to my research journal
if it would help
[22:00] <grumpyboy> oh yeah that would help a lot seth, not sure if i split my
frams correctly
[22:01] <inquiringmind> ok, I'll do that now...
[22:01] <grumpyboy> awsome
[22:01] <Caspian> ok i may have found something
[22:02] <rose> they are posted on the forums in a pdf file
[22:02] <rose> is that what people are using?
[22:02] <Caspian> Seth does the above match what you are getting so far, except
in triplicate?
[22:02] <rose> sorry Seth - it is a message board that we use sometimes to share
info
[22:03] <inquiringmind> the above?
[22:03] <Caspian> Did that huge line not come thru?
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[22:03] <Caspian> oy
[22:03] * [A]mberJoy is now known as AmberJoy
[22:03] * AmberJoy has left #inquiringminds
[22:03] * AmberJoy has joined #inquiringminds
[22:03] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao AmberJoy AmberJoy
[22:03] * AmberJoy is now known as [A]mberJoy
[22:03] <Caspian> KKKttt eee sssxxxttt��tttLLLeee___sss��ttt@@@tttllleee
sss ttt!!!ttt???eee sss��ttt$$$ttt��eeeeeesss��ttt��ttt
eee+++sss��ttt___ttt��eee��sss��ttt ttt��eee---sssjjjttt��---��
�� SSS %%%TTT$$$eee___---��
[22:04] <Caspian> 222��FFF===LLL&&&��𷷷---��ZZZ"""RRR>>>��fff��ȥ��
�� LLLppp---��ZZZ DDD��aaakkkjjj\\\777ZZZ��
��---ttt<<<��[[[MMM��lll��???kkk___SSS___vvv�� UUU<<<
�� 777��+++��===��YYY��FFF��CCC iii+++FFFiii��
[22:04] <Caspian> and so forth
[22:05] <Andrew> Yep.. looks liek a triplicate version
[22:05] <Caspian> Alright, all you need to do
[22:05] <inquiringmind> I'm comparing it now
[22:05] <JustLurking> so, if you can just get every 3rd one then
[22:05] <Caspian> right
[22:06] <Caspian> You open the BMP in a Hex editor
[22:06] <Caspian> Use the point and click method to find the codes for a handful
of pixels
[22:06] <Caspian> Use the enitre 6-character code
[22:06] <JustLurking> but is there an automated method to that?
[22:06] <Caspian> search for that string in the hex editor
[22:07] <Caspian> It doesn't take that long
[22:07] <inquiringmind> at first glance it looks the same though
[22:07] <JustLurking> darn....can't believe I don't have the java compiler on my
computer
[22:08] <inquiringmind> Kt e sxt�tLe_s�t@tle s t!t?e s�t$t�ees�t�t e+
[22:08] <Caspian> good, I should be able to throw it into Excel and get rid of
everything but every third set
[22:08] <Andrew> Caspian
[22:08] <Andrew> You rule
[22:08] <rose> where did that come from again Seth?
[22:08] <Caspian> Smile

[22:08] <Caspian> Don't sing my praises just yet
[22:09] <inquiringmind> where di the string I have so far come from?
[22:09] <rose> yes
[22:09] <inquiringmind> sorry, did
[22:09] <rose> I get lost a bit in the convo
[22:09] <inquiringmind> they were the first half of the first line or so of the
first frame.
[22:09] <inquiringmind> wow, that was a lot of firsts
[22:10] <Andrew> Heh. Indeed
[22:10] <rose> is there some obvious thing we could be over looking here?
[22:10] <rose> meaning simpler..
[22:10] <rose> repairshops means nothing to anyone?
[22:11] <inquiringmind> it doesn't immediately bring up anything for me.
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[22:11] <Andrew> I instantly think of the Machine Shop back at FIT.. and feel
some strange and vaguely distrubing longings...
[22:12] <Andrew> ah, the lathe....
[22:13] <Sherlock_Holmes> hi
[22:13] <Sherlock_Holmes> i'm back
[22:14] <Sherlock_Holmes> from the land of coffee
[22:14] * enaxor is now known as en[a]xor
[22:14] <Andrew> Oh that sounds good.. but Id never sleep
[22:14] <inquiringmind> the frames are uploading now...
[22:15] * Sherlock_Holmes drums his fingers on the table
[22:15] <rose> where did we find this repairshops.gif? from Raidar?
[22:15] <Sherlock_Holmes> it was in his maintenance folder
[22:16] <Sherlock_Holmes> that's another thing that I worry about
[22:16] <inquiringmind> yes, that last page from Steven said to look in the
maintenance folder
[22:16] <Sherlock_Holmes> perhaps whatshisface...
[22:16] <Caspian> Ok here's the first set
[22:16] <rose> but not password protected? or did we find it before the password
changed?
[22:16] <Caspian> in Non-triplicate this time Smile

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[22:16] <inquiringmind> Raidar can't be accessed by just anyone
[22:16] <JustLurking> well, that sure doesn't help
[22:16] <JustLurking> Smile

[22:16] <Sherlock_Holmes> who can access him
[22:16] <inquiringmind> In a way he himself is password protected
[22:17] <Ehsan> I can't wait to solve him
[22:17] <Caspian> No, I'd say it's a bunch of crap
[22:17] <JustLurking> can you easily do it on the other frames?
[22:17] <Caspian> But it beats doing it by hand
[22:17] <JustLurking> just for completeness?
[22:17] <Rowan> inside will be a glass of ovaltine
[22:17] <Caspian> That's not the whole first frame, I don't think
[22:17] <inquiringmind> you can set an SAIPet to only allow access from specific
people.
[22:17] <Sherlock_Holmes> aha
[22:17] <rose> wasn't there something about the password being changed?
[22:17] <JustLurking> lol
[22:17] <JustLurking> ok
[22:17] * Sherlock_Holmes tosses his theory out the window
[22:18] <inquiringmind> yes, there is a compartment on his belly (much like a
safe) that has a passcode entry
[22:18] <Caspian> That's just the first 320 pixels
[22:18] <Sherlock_Holmes> oh joy
[22:18] <Caspian> So basically, the first line
[22:18] <rose> dude - this must be one long document
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[22:18] <inquiringmind> Cordelia, Steven, Stevie, Davina and myself can access
Raidar because we're on his trust list
[22:19] <Andrew> But you still cant acces shis belly compartment
[22:19] <Sherlock_Holmes> nobody else? Not even from saipets?
[22:19] <Andrew> Seth.. what if someone who WANST on his trust list had the
password?
[22:19] <Andrew> I mean... that Rasmussen guy...
[22:20] <rose> or a SAIpets guy
[22:21] <inquiringmind> The compartment password is seperate from his trust
list, but Raidar wouldn't let a stranger turn him over and try to open his
belly
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[22:21] <en[a]xor> he just turns over for people he knows, like cordellia with a
hammer Smile

[22:21] <rose> I wondered that it seems that people noticed the changed password
after the large Christmas party, but you think it was changed before that?
[22:22] <inquiringmind> poor Cordelia, she's not usually like that... really
she's not
[22:22] <Caspian> I've got the second line of Frame #1 if anyone is still
interested
[22:22] <en[a]xor> I know
[22:22] <Caspian> I really doubt this is the way to solve it
[22:23] <inquiringmind> Stevie only noticed after the Christmas party, but since
only Raidar's owners can change that passcode it had to be done by either
Steven, Cordelia or Stevie.
[22:23] <Caspian> But I've got a method to getting the characters quickly
[22:23] <Rowan> isn't it conceivable that each frame is a clue to one place
where a backup copy of the info is stored?
[22:23] <inquiringmind> it's definitely possible
[22:24] <Caspian> That or multiple locations per frame
[22:24] <inquiringmind> from what we see so far, it seems like a large amount of
info can be placed in a frame.
[22:24] <rose> so it could be one document?
[22:24] <grumpyboy> seth, do u have those frames posted on ur site yet?
[22:24] <rose> or seven documents?
[22:24] <Andrew> Or a small amount, surrounded by a LOT of gibberish
[22:25] <inquiringmind> sorry, grumpy I'm writing the post now...
[22:25] <Rowan> so he hid that many copies of his research on earth?
[22:25] <Rowan> he must have travelled a lot
[22:25] <Andrew> Like... we're gonan see five or 10 lines of gibberesh.. then
mesages suddenly
[22:25] <Caspian> Well if you figure one character per pixel
[22:25] <rose> only one copy I thought?
[22:25] <Rowan> I've stashed copies of the rest of my evidence in several places
down on Earth.
[22:25] <rose> oh damn
[22:25] <Andrew> Well, when it comes to it.. you have us to move around earth
for you Seth
[22:25] <Rowan> copies & several places
[22:25] <Andrew> Sicne your station bound
[22:25] <rose> well he was in New York
[22:26] <Caspian> One char per pixel, 320x240 pixels per frame, 7 frames =
537600 characters
[22:26] <rose> or am I thinking of that girl Davina
[22:26] <rose> she was here for a wedding
[22:26] <grumpyboy> thanks seth
[22:26] <rose> so Rowan - you think that means seven locations?
[22:27] <Rowan> i dont think its going to be a couple hundred
[22:27] <inquiringmind> I certainly hope it wouldn't be a couple of hundred.
[22:28] <rose> <Rowan> isn't it conceivable that each frame is a clue to one
place where a backup copy of the info is stored?
[22:28] <inquiringmind> the static frames are up. I'm double checking them now
[22:28] <Andrew> OH Seth.,. any info on that cleaning woman?
[22:28] <Rowan> there are 7 frames to the gif
[22:28] <Rowan> the repairshops.gif is supposed to hold the clue as to where the
copies are
[22:28] <rose> so that was why I asked if you thought it means 7 locations
[22:28] <Rowan> but then seth was saying each gif can hold a ton of information
[22:29] <Rowan> so either the gif has multiple locations per frame, extremely
detailed instructions per frame, or just a very simple address per frame
[22:29] <Ehsan> thanks for clearing that up rowan
[22:30] <Rowan> want me to draw a flowchart as well?
[22:30] <rose> could it be an image?
[22:30] <Andrew> Interesting idea, rose
[22:30] <rose> I mean could each gif be a picture of a place or a map?
[22:31] <Ehsan> it could be anything rose
[22:31] <Andrew> I've seen images down with 1s and 0s, but never this many
characters
[22:31] <Rowan> but i would hate to think we've spent so much time deciphering
each pixel color for naught
[22:31] <Rowan> so we should probably keep at that
[22:32] <Rogi> Sorry for missing the earlier discussion. Are we looking at
recreating a binary file or getting ascii text out of this?
[22:32] <Andrew> ascii
[22:33] <Andrew> Ugh. My eyes hurt
[22:33] <Ehsan> ohh
[22:33] <Andrew> o.O
[22:33] <Andrew> oh?
[22:33] <rose> the colors don't make a picture?
[22:33] <Rowan> hit yourself in the head again ehsan?
[22:33] <Rogi> So Somebody "could" remove the stuff that isn't in the "ASCII"
range leaving just the characters. That could save a lot of time.
[22:34] <Ehsan> It's all in the ascii range!
[22:34] <Rogi> Printable ASCII characters.
[22:34] <Andrew> I think Rogi meant the nonstandard characters
[22:34] <Andrew> Leaving only letters.. a, b, c and numbers... correct?
[22:34] <Ehsan> yeah that was my ohh
[22:35] <Rogi> Yes.
[22:35] <Ehsan> the 32's fit word patters
[22:35] <Ehsan> 32 = space
[22:35] <Rogi> Although, a programmatic means must exist to do this.
[22:35] <Andrew> As soon as Caspian finishes a page I'll start working on
cleanign it in that way
[22:35] <Sherlock_Holmes> byebye
[22:35] <Andrew> Thats just Word work.. I *can* do that
[22:36] <Sherlock_Holmes> gonnago sleep
[22:36] <Sherlock_Holmes> ciao
[22:36] * Sherlock_Holmes has quit IRC (Quit: Sherlock_Holmes)
[22:36] <Caspian> Wait, what am I working on??
[22:36] <Andrew> I thought you were translating lines
[22:36] <Andrew> ... Arent you?
[22:36] <Andrew> ...
[22:36] <Andrew> Per frame?
[22:36] <Caspian> I'm actually writing up my method to getting the lines
[22:36] <Caspian> per frame
[22:36] <Andrew> ..
[22:36] * Andrew looks at his tea
[22:37] * Andrew considers adding some whiskey
[22:37] <Andrew> ooook then.
[22:37] <Caspian> Yeah, I have a presentation tomorrow I haven't started
[22:37] <Ehsan> hold on I'll post all the ascii now
[22:37] <Caspian> You got all the ascii?
[22:37] <Andrew> WHAT?
[22:37] <Andrew> You translated the whole frame?
[22:37] <Ehsan> yeah
[22:37] <Caspian> nice
[22:37] <Ehsan> 7 frames
[22:37] <Ehsan> not me, xnbomb
[22:37] <Andrew> ...
[22:37] <inquiringmind> nice, Ehsan
[22:37] <C[a]usepoet> WTG EHSAN!
[22:37] <inquiringmind> well tell xnbomb thank you
[22:37] * Andrew faints
[22:37] <Caspian> Then I'll stop trying to post my ridiculously complicated
method
[22:37] <C[a]usepoet> and XNBOMB
[22:38] <Caspian> because it involeved downloading 3 programs and making a MS
Word Macro
[22:38] * Andrew reluctantly puts away the whiskey
[22:38] <inquiringmind> can someone email the ASCII to me?
[22:39] <Andrew> I'll sned it to you ass soon as its up
[22:39] <inquiringmind> I need to go see if Cordelia can give me something for
this problem headache I have
[22:39] <C[a]usepoet> Andrew, alcohol reacts with too many medications anyway
[22:39] <Andrew> Heh. See if she has anythign for mine as well Smile

[22:39] <rose> just be careful about what you take
[22:39] * Andrew isnt on any medications. SHoul dbe cause he's sick.. but has no
insurance
[22:40] <inquiringmind> I'll post the findings as soon as I get back. Thanks
for all the hard work!
[22:40] <C[a]usepoet> Andrew, many companies have need based programs. Your
Doctor's office should be able to put you in touch with them
[22:40] <Andrew> ...
[22:41] <Andrew> what the..?
[22:41] * Andrew is confused
[22:41] <C[a]usepoet> if you need medications
[22:41] <Andrew> Why.. do I need medications?
[22:41] <C[a]usepoet> pharma compnaies have need based programs
[22:41] <Caspian> you know what, I'm going to post my method anyway, becuase I
worked hard on it Wink

[22:41] <C[a]usepoet> 06] * Andrew isnt on any medications. SHoul dbe cause he's
sick.. but has no insurance01
[22:41] <Andrew> Oh..
[22:41] <Andrew> yes.
[22:41] <Andrew> Bah
[22:42] <Andrew> I refuse to do soemthign liek that
[22:42] <inquiringmind> good night everyone
[22:42] * inquiringmind has left #inquiringminds

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