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kimer
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 		Likely Trout or Garbage: Antigone
This just caught me as being much too similar.... andigoes vs antigone.... greek mythology.... see more info here: http://www.classicnote.com/ClassicNotes/Titles/antigone/shortsumm.html

Likely just a "coincidence" but are there any "accidental coicidences"? Rolling Eyes
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 		Re: Likely Trout or Garbage: Antigone
kimer wrote:

Likely just a "coincidence" but are there any "accidental coicidences"? Rolling Eyes


Another 'coincidence' is that if you "take what's left and transmute with care":

1 4 9 7 15 14 5 19
a d i g o n e s

c a r e c a r e
3 1 18 5 3 1 18 5

4 5 1 12 18 15 23 24
d e a l r o w x

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 		SPEC: Found how 1+2+6=10
Yep, It's me again. I found this, but now I don't know what to do with it. Hopefully someone can figure it out.
One thing I noticed about all of our clues is the term "fractal". So I went in search of a fractal cipher. No luck. But than I found something called numeration. Which basically means: "It is imperative to understand that the type of numeration system used to represent numbers has no impact upon the outcome of any arithmetical function (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, roots, powers, or logarithms)." http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/Digital/DIGI_2.html
Then I went in search of numeration systems. I found this site. Under the base of 8, the one "equation" 1+2+6=10 works. So how that helps us for the login, I don't know. When I checked all of the numbers with the + signs, I added them up with the base 8 table. ADIGNOES=UADBMLEP. Which is nothing, so I'm doing this wrong. Unless it anagrams into something else.

I hope this helps someone else. Very Happy
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 		YET another hypothesis... Has anyone tried Hebrew....
Forgive me if I am repeating something already thought about...
Hebrew letters are also numbers...
http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm
about half way down the page

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Because of this system of assigning numerical values to letters, every word has a numerical value. There is an entire discipline of Jewish mysticism known as Gematria that is devoted to finding hidden meanings in the numerical values of words. For example, the number 18 is very significant, because it is the numerical value of the word Chai, meaning life. Donations to Jewish charities are routinely made in denominations of 18 for that reason.


If no one else wnats to tackle figuring out possiblities I'll do it over the next couple of days. But I have work in the morning and so I must sleep now! Rolling Eyes
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 		NEW Info and a possible path to a solve
I plugged the following into google as search terms: Turing Einstein Lorenz

which lead to this:
http://www.turing.org.uk/publications/cambridge1.html
And please keep in mind that Turing was a cryptographer

Quote:

...
The Bombe required a novel synthesis of ideas and engineering; and an ingenuity of logic that few at Bletchley Park understood; it was a miracle that Denniston was persuaded to invest so much in a great gamble. The first Bombe to be delivered was named Agnus by Turing: a joke that atheist Hardy might have made (though Hardy at that moment was making his unapologetic apology, trying to avoid thought of the war). Further irony showed in the names they used: Turingismus as if this ingenious statistical analysis of the Lorenz machine ciphers were some Hegelian philosophy, ROMSing, as if the placing of long paper tapes against each other were the Resources of Modern Science of marxist planners. 'Cillies' were silly German Enigma operators' errors; but also perhaps the silliness of spending scientific talent on the crimes and folly of mankind. (Now, exiles from mathematical physics who enter the ephemera of futures markets, computer operating systems and e-commerce could echo the sentiment.) Newman, at Bletchley after 1942, lamented that it could not have been a pure-mathematical research group.
...



then plugging in lorenz machine ciphers
came up with this
http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/fish.htm
and almost had to get a clean pair of shorts when I saw it...
As it was I yelled out loud and smacked myself on the top of the head...

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The working of modulo-2 addition is exactly the same as the XOR operation in logic.

If A is the plain-text character, and C the obscuring character, then in the table below, F is the cipher-text character. You can also see from this table that the addition of C to F brings you back to A again:


A + C = F F + C = A

x + . = x x + . = x
x + x = . . + x = x
. + x = x x + x = .
. + x = x x + x = .
. + . = . . + . = .


Vernam proposed that the obscuring characters should be completely random and pre-punched on to paper tape to be consumed character by character in synchrony with the input message characters. Such a cipher system (a 'one-time pad system') using purely random obscuring characters is unbreakable.


The difficulty was how to ensure, in a hot war situation, that the same random character tapes were available at each end of a communications link and that they were both set to the same start position. The Lorenz company decided that it would be operationally easier to construct a machine to generate the obscuring character sequence. Because it was a machine it could not generate a completely random sequence of characters. It generated what is known as a pseudo-random sequence. Unfortunately for the German Army it was more "pseudo" than random and that was how it was broken.
....



Now we know where to start to transform adingoes... just look for the obscuring character...
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 		Lorenz machine language cipher
CEMGATE posted may 26 the html pages and the content of each at
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10187#10187

Going with the straingth numbering of the alphabet from a-z, this is what I get for the titles of each page...

(1+6) A+F both equasions equal =10=J? (A is in the puzzle)

(3+4) C+D both equasions equal =5=E? (D is in the puzzle)

(2+13) B+M (spec breaks down here, could use some assistance please)
(5+21) E+U
(9+11) I+K
(8+18) H+R
(10+22) J+V
(14+25) N+Y
(15+20) O+T
(16+19) P+S
(23+24) W+X

ADIGONES = FCKGTYUP which does not work.
Shifting everthing so that A=0 gives AELGUZVQ which also does not work.

I am also looking at the equasions on each page:

A=1+6 = 10 so A+F=J
D=4+3 = 7 so D+C = G
I=9+11= I+K (but no x+x= z in any of the pages, the only 20 is 5+20 html, this spec starts breaking down)
G has no html page involved…
O= 15+20= O+T (breaks the spec)
N=14+25= N+Y (again, doesn't follow in my spec)
E=5+21= E+U (ditto above)
S=16+19= P+S (ditto)

The problem is, I'm missing the last letter in the equasion and the tape to show me which one is obscured...

So I'm starting to get tangled in this, can someone give me a couple of hand to hold stuff in place so I don't end up with a knotted string?

Edit: gotta remember to disable the smilies ....
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Myssfitz
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 		Mage, G does have an html page for it. It's the 7+26 page. And we are not to use the line before the sums as the = sign. I know you're not, but when I looked at cem's page, I got too confused. I posted the screen shots for greywethers here.
Also, the second "equation" on 1+6 html is in base 8. I think somehow that's our key. It has to be that way for a reason. You can find the table for base 8 here. Actually all the table. Just make sure you change the little box at the bottom of the table. I hope this helps you. I've been thinking along the same lines as you, but haven't come up with anything, so I haven't posted. Hurry up and crack this thing. Very Happy
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Myssfitz wrote:
Also, the second "equation" on 1+6 html is in base 8. I think somehow that's our key. It has to be that way for a reason.


I forgot. Thank you for the reminder, Ursulla, I appreciate it.
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 		SPEC: Base 8
OK working from MyzFitz reminder that someone had mentioned using Base 8 as a key.... (numbering the alphabet from 0-7, 10-17,20-27, 30-31)
this is what I get for the html numbers... (using * to represent ther is no number/letter correlation)
1+6 B+G
3+4 D+E
2+13 C+L
5+21 F+R
9+11 *+J
8+18 *+*
10+22 I+S
14+25 M+V
15+20 N+Q
16+19 O+*
23+24 T+U

Using the Lorenz machine cipher code we get the following pattern for obscuring characters

*+J=?
*+*=?
O+*=?

Sooooo..... where am I going with this... I haven't the foggiest, I'm just rambling hopeing it will shake loose something in someone else...

If we have 8 letters A, D, I, G, O, N, E, S... we have only have six letters covered by the pairs, and if I use # to mean transformed letters what we get is #D##O#ES, but I have no idea what the transformed letters are, unless it means we are to ditch them completely... let me check for a second....Nope DOES does not work...

So anyone else have a wild spec to add at this point for us to chase? Right now I'm willing to try just about anything (as long as it is legal) Wink
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 		If the login is Friend, has anyone tried mellon? (as login)

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Cybornut
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 		what about +'s being t's? but wtf does a 1t2t6=10 mean lol?
Sorry... must be a dead end or something... someone freakishly, diabolically simple thing that has been ignored... and CTW is over for crying out loud lol... still can't get it...

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grumpyboy wrote:
I have been spec'ing in chat that the name of the page that the "proceed" link is on ---> wpfd.html is a clue in itself. The latest email from psammead does say "a name can tell you many things". Notice "a name" rather than "names" in the previous email.

My spec is that "wpfd" is encrypted using the same method/key as the password. So what would be a likely 4 letter name for that page? We've been specing poem, name, main, clue and html among others. So figure out wpfd = ???? may give us an insight into ADIGONES = ????????

(ADIGONES is "standing stones" with doubles removed as instructed)

Confused


This thing still eats at me.........

This puzzle was in May........World Press Freedom Day is in May and the hit I got (2nd) takes you to:

http://portal.unesco.org/ci/ev.php?URL_ID=1204&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC

The word "portal" being in the poem.

I know, I know ....lotsa sites use the term, but hey I'm still trying:)

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 		Whoops, that was me.

And I know......for "portal", they probably just needed a word to rhyme with mortal.

*stare*stare*stare*some more*
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 		Thoughts from a last ditch effort.

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Subject: triplet

Maybe this is a disguised Triple It...........but triple what?


Quote:
Revisited: but there's one for each yet two per one

Thought maybe one for each referred to one ROT for each and two for one possibly meant to ROT both letters by the same number.

So tried taking each letter and ROTing it by the number on the same side of the plus sign, and then ROTing both by the total.

Example:

3+4.html
C+D.html

5+0 =5
4+1 =5

C ROT5 + D ROT0 = Both ROT5
H+D = MI

M ROT4 + I ROT1 = Both ROT5
Q+J = VO

Therefore C=V and D=O

No dice though.....actually it was looking sort of promising till I hit the "ES" of ADIGONES. And I wasn't sure how to apply it to the A.

Ended up with ?OYOGAZX........but hey there is a YOGA in there Wink


Quote:
This:
perhaps by counting pages
and writing down names you find
a pattern will grow clear to you
and trigger something in your mind

Obviously suggests there is a pattern and it's a matter of finding it. So tried actually writing down the names as in:

3+4.html
three plus four

But no pattern grew clear and nothing in my mind was triggered.
Crying or Very sad


Anyway, maybe it'll give someone else a thought.

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 		I know this is long, long over.

...but did anyone EVER work out the login for this? I notice it's, like, the ONLY site from the game that's still up...

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