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oliverkeers13
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Centipede wrote:
Which leads the question, why don't the cops in England carry guns?
Because people die
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:45 pm
WolverineFan
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No no. It's not the GUNS that kill people. It's the BULLETS.
That reminds me of a Chris Rock routine I saw. He suggested making the bullets cost $500 each. Then you'd have people saying things like "I'd shoot you, but I can't afford it".
As was already said, a debate over firearms is just asking for trouble.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:54 pm
Jotacon
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sledgecallier wrote:
It strikes me as odd that the police themselves were armed, but that may be because I'm British and the idea of an armed police force is still a fairly foreign one? It may be usual in Perplex City??
I bet their guns have puzzle safeties
I think Frye is 3P as well, and I agree with the team if 3P agents theory. Makes the most sense to me.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:58 pm
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GUNS!...Fuck Yeah
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:02 pm
Spankit
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Oh dear. Have we learned nothing , my good friends? Let's move away from this debate ASAP before I start getting a hankering for Taco Bell and cheesy bread.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:06 pm
oliverkeers13
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There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate. Argument is the best way to learn and progress.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:09 pm
Spankit
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oliverkeers13 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate. Argument is the best way to learn and progress.
Obviously, you've never seen a legislative body in session. Take our Congress for example: 230 years of healthy debate and arguement, zero progress and not a damned thing learned.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:20 pm
Mokey Fraggle
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May I just say -- at the risk of getting in trouble for being off-topic -- because I've been wanting to mention it for a while, that I totally dig Lord Wimsey?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:44 am
jojojojo
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For everyones information:
Gun crime is alot lower in Britain because no one is allowed to have a gun without special license. Farmers can have a shotguns, and gun club member can have guns, but thy're generally quite low spec. Revolvers and other small hand guns aren't generally common place. They are not readily available to buy, you have to prove your a responsible citizen with a true purpose for owning one. Our local police have even siezed BB guns from some people. BB guns seem to be a real problem with teenagers around here.
Same with knives, a few years ago, all knives (obviously not general kitchen knives) and lethal blades were siezed. Some people voluntarily handed their knives etc to the police to be destroyed.
I'm not saying that they don't exist in Britain, its just there not as common place as they are in America.
The only police I've seen carrying guns are military police, ones protecting the Queen and "Riot Police". (The ones who turn up at protests, and who barge their way into places.)
Worth bearing in mind, MC are a British company after all.
And back to the thread. [SPEC] Perhaps they wern't even the police, perhaps they were the 3P. The police station he visited wasn't one he recognised.
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The doors opened onto a concrete loading bay. Apart from a single Perplex City Police Department logo at the top of a door, there were no other signs of where we were. It clearly wasn't a building open to the public.
It was talked about in #syzygy last night that the police logo could easily be faked, I believe it was Ollie who suggested this.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:38 am
oliverkeers13
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jojojojo wrote:
Same with knives, a few years ago, all knives (obviously not general kitchen knives) and lethal blades were siezed.
Actually, there's now a large campaign trying to ban kitchen knives with pointy ends. This is because a stab is more likely to kill than a slash. However, this is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, as the points are highly useful. The proposed solution is to place a ball of metal on the end, making it far more difficult to cut many things. Better education is required, and better social situations; not restricting what they can use in their own kitchens.
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It was talked about in #syzygy last night that the police logo could easily be faked, I believe it was Ollie who suggested this.
Yes, this was me. The badges on the uniform of the armed people were not the same as the police force's badges. Kurt was only told that the people he was with were the police when he said he wasn't with the 3rd power. IMO, it's equally feasible that they were 3rd power agents, tracking down the people in the tunnel in a sort of mafia way. Helena wanted to know where the message came from so she could eliminate the leak.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:48 am
European Chris
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oliverkeers13 wrote:
Better education is required, and better social situations;
Or we could send all the peasants to Lanzerote and subsidise Carlsberg-they'll like that.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:15 am
oliverkeers13
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European Chris wrote:
oliverkeers13 wrote:
Better education is required, and better social situations;
Or we could send all the peasants to Lanzerote and subsidise Carlsberg-they'll like that.
Bollocks. They'd clearly prefer Stella
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:23 am
locqust
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I think this is def going way off topic now with regards to guns and knives. Lets just stick to the game.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:33 am
Spankit
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Mokey Fraggle wrote:
May I just say -- at the risk of getting in trouble for being off-topic -- because I've been wanting to mention it for a while, that I totally dig Lord Wimsey?
You may indeed. Not that I've actually read any of the short stories, but I really liked the quote.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:24 pm
Scott
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May I lend some american counter perspective to the subject? guns arent really all *that* common place in america, you know. a cop will generally always have a side-arm pistol - but anything other than that is really rare. growing up on a military base, myself, the only time i can specifically think of having seen any other guns was specifically when my neighbor, the military police officer, was being sent to saudi arabia and carried an M-16 fFrom house to car. More recently, i was hanging out at the docks and spotted a coast-guard ship with a fFew guys with rifles.
What I'm saying here is: a bunch of heavily armed officers with large weapons is not a common sight in any setting. Whatever fFrye was prepared fFor, it was not petty thieves. she was armed fFor serious combat.
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