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Ciaran_H
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 		[WIBS] Debunkette
I don't feel comfortable posting this on the in-game forums, even though Tucker and the other characters seem to ignore OOG posts...

I noticed that on debunkette's poll recently, all of the choices she gives us in the poll are already listed in the site's subheading, except two: Benjamin Stove, and haunted houses. Given that we already know her views on Ben, maybe we should have asked her to debunk haunted houses instead. Ah well, we can always do that on next week's post - if it's still applicable, of course.

I sent a forum PM to debunkette:

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Hi debunkette! Smile

I know you've already made a decision about what you're going to debunk next on debunkette.com, but I must admit, I'm curious about one thing. I'm going to guess you've already debunked TV evangelists before as they (and actually, three of the choices you gave) are already listed in your subheading:

"alien abductions, crop circles, insurance scams and tv evangelists... debunked!"

Does that mean you've debunked them before, or merely that they're the sort of things you're interested in debunking? Either way, I guess haunted houses might be a new thing for you, and it sounds right up your alley, so count that as an early vote for next week's post. Wink

BTW, can I help in your research at all? If you need any other ideas for things to debunk, I have a great big book full of "Unexplained Mysteries" (as it calls them). Alternatively, if you want me to give things from my point of view, or gain evidence of any sort, let me know. I live in England in the UK, and I assume you live in the US, so there'd be a cultural difference too that might be helpful.

All the best,

- Ciaran.


The offer to help is an attempt to see if I can get more involved. We might be able to gain more information that way.

On another note... where do you think debunkette comes in in all of this? So far she hasn't played much of a "starring role" in the ARG at all, as it were. But there must be some bigger reason to it, given how developed she is as a character.

What do you think?

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 		hmm..good idea with that PM

I completely forgot to mention this PM I recived from her, it was in reply to an apology I PM'd to her about something that unintentionly sounded like I was attacking her (don't bother with the details, it was a misunderstanding)
anyway, here it is...

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You picked on me! You bully, you!

Oh, I know how you can make it up to me! I posted to my site last night. I've no idea what I should debunk but I've really got to get something up there (pointless to have the site and not use it, right?). Any suggestions?


Seriously, I figured that something like that had happened. No big deal. Thanks for the clarification and edit, though smile.gif


I PM'd back some ideas I had, I tried to throw in a few WIBS related things (fairy circles) and I thought of few other things, but unfourtunatly, the PM got deleted, oops.
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Ciaran_H wrote:
On another note... where do you think debunkette comes in in all of this? So far she hasn't played much of a "starring role" in the ARG at all, as it were. But there must be some bigger reason to it, given how developed she is as a character.

What do you think?


The obvious role for her (although I hope that I'm wrong on this) is that of a straw man. When we start to find out what's actually going on, if there's a supernatural/extraterrestrial explanation for it, debunkette will of course disbelieve it and argue against it. Her arguments will be proven wrong, and perhaps debunkette will come to believe, which would presumably make it more convincing for others.

Sort of like planted "disbelievers" in a revival tent. Wink

Like I said, I hope that's not why she's there; it's just the first explanation that springs to mind.

The other one that occurs to me is one for which she'd be less effective now that she's been "outed" as a puppet:

She could be there to nudge us onto the right track, or bring up information we're supposed to find if we don't find it ourselves; if we thought she were just another player, we would of course respond differently to what she said and the information she provided, and we wouldn't be analyzing it from a META standpoint. Of course, if that were her purpose, I don't think her site would be registered to the company.

Given who's behind the game, I think the possibility that her role is limited to anything as blatantly manipulative as either of the scenarios above is unlikely, though, so I guess we'll have to wait and see and be pleasantly surprised. Very Happy

Good thought on sending the PM.
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 		Ok, here's just a Totally random guess, a shot in the dark, a crazy Wraith Squadron worthy theory if there ever was one, but...
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Debunkette will end up being Benjamin Stove in the end!


Ok, i bet that doesn't happen (kinda hope that doesn't happen, too stereotypical, almost) but yeah.



p.s. Yes, i know that almost none of you will get the Wraith Squadron refrence, so if you're feeling bored, get your hands on a copy of Star Wars: X-wing Wraith Squadron for an explanation. (I love that book, its hilarious!)
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Phaedra wrote:
The other one that occurs to me is one for which she'd be less effective now that she's been "outed" as a puppet:

She could be there to nudge us onto the right track, or bring up information we're supposed to find if we don't find it ourselves; if we thought she were just another player, we would of course respond differently to what she said and the information she provided, and we wouldn't be analyzing it from a META standpoint. Of course, if that were her purpose, I don't think her site would be registered to the company.


Yeah, that kind of gives it away. Plus, of course, the way it was registered on the same day as whoisbenjaminstove.com. Wink Actually, I think this was done deliberately. Brand recognition, and also you know whether something's in-game or not via the whois. Of course, if that were true, GMD would have known that debunkette would be outed almost immediately, even if the people who were familiar with ARGs hadn't shown up.

Phaedra wrote:
Given who's behind the game, I think the possibility that her role is limited to anything as blatantly manipulative as either of the scenarios above is unlikely, though, so I guess we'll have to wait and see and be pleasantly surprised. Very Happy


I'm unfamiliar with GMD. What other games have they done besides Art of the Heist?

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 		As far as I know, that was the only one, Ciaran..


I think Debunkette will take on more of a sinister role, kind of like the anti-hero or the antogoniast in this story, plot twist ahoy!
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 		They did the Legend of the Sacred Urns too.
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 		And while not games per se, they also did the Freakylinks website and the Beta-7 campaign.
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rowan72 wrote:
And while not games per se, they also did the Freakylinks website and the Beta-7 campaign.


Just because I don't like being left out of the party, let me clarify:

Freakylinks was a project of Haxan Films, and GMD was a collaborator on the web campaign.

Beta-7, Legend of the Sacred Urns, and Audi's Art of the Heist were a collaboration of Chelsea Pictures, Haxan, and GMD.

And just because it's not confusing enough, members of Haxan and Chelsea have formed Campfire to produce future ARG's and other fun stuff.
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HaxanMike wrote:

And just because it's not confusing enough, members of Haxan and Chelsea have formed Campfire to produce future ARG's and other fun stuff.


Wow, Congrats and Good Luck on your new venture!
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HaxanMike wrote:
Just because I don't like being left out of the party, let me clarify:

Freakylinks was a project of Haxan Films, and GMD was a collaborator on the web campaign.

Beta-7, Legend of the Sacred Urns, and Audi's Art of the Heist were a collaboration of Chelsea Pictures, Haxan, and GMD.

And just because it's not confusing enough, members of Haxan and Chelsea have formed Campfire to produce future ARG's and other fun stuff.

Wheeeeeeeee! I'm getting dizzy. Laughing I totally can't keep all the different companies straight.
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 		Which is why I'm just going to call them the weird people down in Florida from now on. Saves on explaning time.

You are in Florida right?

and sowwy for any mixups. bad rowan bad! no more cheesecake for me. but in my defense, i was just going by what i saw linked on their site. really!
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 		I got the following reply from debunkette yesterday:

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Hey Ciaran,

Sorry the delay in getting back to you. I haven't been online in the past few days.

The bit on the top of the site was thrown up there on a bit of a whim when I was putting it all together. It seemed like a decent balance of the off the wall (aliens & crop circles) and the more real (insurance and evangelists). I figured that they'd all get covered at some point even if they hadn't been already. But, now, I can cross another one off. Well, I can cross it off as soon as I get it up which should be as soon as I catch up on all the happenings around here... anything interesting going on that I should know about?

As for haunted houses, that would be a fun debunk and, fortunately, wouldn't be as tiring as watching a dozen or so hours of TV filled with horrid off key singing! I'll add your vote to the list once I get my "debunk this" post up later today. Or, better yet, sound off in the comments yourself so that I don't accidently forget to add you in. My mind is a bit all over the place today and I'd hate to forget to include you.

As for your help, thanks so much for offering! I'll definitely keep it in mind if I need a British or European perspective.

Thanks again!


I replied with some general comments. I pointed her to the mounds and medicine wheels thread and said that I'd be interested in reading her comments on it.

And in related news, she's posted her debunk on TV evangelists and she's started another Debunk This post. Smile

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rowan72 wrote:
Which is why I'm just going to call them the weird people down in Florida from now on. Saves on explaning time.

You are in Florida right?

and sowwy for any mixups. bad rowan bad! no more cheesecake for me. but in my defense, i was just going by what i saw linked on their site. really!


I'm in Florida. I'm weird enough for everything.
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Phaedra wrote:
The obvious role for her (although I hope that I'm wrong on this) is that of a straw man. When we start to find out what's actually going on, if there's a supernatural/extraterrestrial explanation for it, debunkette will of course disbelieve it and argue against it. Her arguments will be proven wrong, and perhaps debunkette will come to believe, which would presumably make it more convincing for others.


I guess debunkette is finally getting into character .

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