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[UPDATE] Hesh Intranet Filesystem - Feb 3
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Danives
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Could it be that maybe Cyrus isnt V and has kept the recording as a kind of safe guard? Not sure what he would get out of it, apart that he could show it to the police maybe. Thats just wild spec of course (you beat me to the punch BriEnigma, lol)

The more likely route is that he could be V and the person on the phone is an informant or even Big Boss. We know of accounts of how shy Cyrus is, so it could be that he's in hiding and using this evidence as a safe guard...but they do say its always the quiet ones...
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Out of the two, I'd say the first would be my choice.
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Ulver
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What about Cyrus being a good guy? Say, for example, he knows something about V and got the sound engineering job to send information to earth. Maybe he got the job to spy on someone within hesh, possibly V, to collect information and then send it back to earth.

Or, if Cyrus doesn't exist and is purely an alias for someone else, could that person be another hesh employee?

I dunno. Apologies if it's silly, I haven't been part of the game for very long.

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GasparLewis
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Shocked

Ehhhhhhhhhh...
Fv[k...
Erm...
Wow...

I would say something productive or speculative, but I'm kind of too freaked right now.

Suppose we can look at this again with fresh heads tomorrow.
Because right now?
Holy $#!+...
*lies down*

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lhall
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Just thought I'd post this link to the transcipt on the wiki, which is slightly more up-to-date than the earlier transcript (clarifications on 'Quercus' and 'Fivebridge Report', for example).

http://wiki.incognitus.net/ppc/index.php/Track_3.mp3

Er...also, can someone point me to the exact time of the spraypaint noises? I've been listening to the file pretty closely, and I'm kind of afraid that what we think are spraypaint noises, are actually choked, wet breathing. Sad

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GuyP
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This, my friends, calls for a MegaPost!

In fairness to Cyrus, everything backs up his story so far: he gets a message to Earth by adding it on to the Viard album, claiming Helena Frye is a spy. We send Kurt to Gillit Road, where he overhears two lackeys say:

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...want to know how Frye managed to get the police involved in this. Would've thought that the third wouldn't want to risk...


This proves that Frye's involvement in the Gillet Road conspiracy (inasmuch as we can't conclusively link it to the Cube Theft conspiracy) extended before the police's involvement. This definitely sounds dodgy. They use her real name, so there's no chance she's in an undercover position, unless she's bought into the conspiracy as a "double bluff" and is, in fact, still working for the police. Either way, from the perspective of an outsider like Cyrus, it would at least seem like she was collaborating with the 3P.

So, the next big question is: did Cyrus (he of Track_3/Viard fame) actually make the recording, or did he just gain possession of it?

Option 1) Cyrus is V. This explains how he was able to make the recording, why the file is called "My Greatest Hits", why the file is tagged with messages threatening to us, why he was on the phone to the Academy post-theft, and the Quinton/V neatness. It doesn't explain why V/Cyrus (rubbish murdering skills aside) would try to sabotage the whole operation by passing us information, only to scare us off again - remember that Monica called him a "true believer". It doesn't particularly fit with the 'kinky job' comment, while the 'Gillet warning' (assumedly the voice of Cyrus) sounds nothing like V. The only motive is to warn us off.

Option 2) Cyrus worked (tangentially) for the 3P, and made the recording by bugging V's key. He might have been the "lookout" on the phone, or part of something unrelated - I'd put money on him being at Gillet Road. This would also explain the Academy phone call. By making the recordings, he's hoping to cover his ass. He probably isn't ideologically driven (password puzzle nonwithstanding) and just wants out. I say "wants" - the fact we're hearing the recordings is a fairly good indication that he's dead. Telling us anything, while there's still a chance to live, would seem like madness, although perhaps he hoped that we could expose Helena Frye, leaving him able to turn to the police. Alternatively, he may have had a change of heart, or discovered that he was part of something much bigger, and wants to put things to rights.

Option 3) Cyrus worked for the 3P, and V sent him the recording as a threat - you're next. Nicely squares Cyrus's motives (helping us) with the threatening message. Doesn't seem quite V's style, but certainly has his ruthless touch. We weren't especially intended to hear the message - Cyrus was just storing it in his personal space, perhaps because he realised it could be used as a bargaining chip, or possibly as something nice to listen to before he went to sleep at night.

Operation 4) Cyrus didn't work for the 3P, but somehow caught wind of what was going on. Knowing the police were corrupt, he turned to Earth to get the truth out. Either he turned detective and bugged V's key, or V found out what he was up to and sent him the recording (see above theories.) It's perfectly plausible, but it means he remains something of a cypher. How on earth did he get in this mess? Why was he on the phone with the Academy? How does he have the necessary skills to hack keys, and be a very successful music producer? From both TINAG/TIAG perspectives, I find it unlikely that he'd just stumble into this position, so there must be some kind of connection.

So for what it's worth, I'm inclined to believe that Cyrus isn't V, but instead a small part of, or closely connected to, the 3rd Power. Essentially, his part might be murky, but he's a Goodie; "...the bringer of justice. He makes right all that is askew, though the righting may often be painful." It remains to be seen whether he's trying to save himself, or knowingly endangering himself in order for the Cube to be found. Most pressingly: why oh why would a crack team of thieves include a music producer and a financial advisor?

And why was a 20-30-something financial advisor a weapons expert? They sure are a multi-talented bunch in Perplex City.

I still think Helena is utterly and hopelessly bent. That's Kurt's call to make though, the poor sod. I'll have to draft a few limericks in advance this time.

Finally: I really hate to labour the point, guys, but I really don't see how the PCAG events will have any connection to the 'story' whatsoever, not least because it would make absolutely zero sense. So just relax Smile

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Scott
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god i fFeel sick.
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GuyP
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They did drag it out, didn't they? Hardly the professional takedown one might have expected. Reminded me of a certain scene in Mulholland Drive, actually...

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I'm absolutely certain cyrus is V. no doubt in my mind.

he didnt exactly 'keep' the fFiles. He left. He left hesh, he left perplex city, I'd guess. He left and is a looooong way away. like .. uh, near scarlett by now. He knew we would be onto him sooner or later. and he was going to need a place to go and a way to get there. He could be. absolutely. anywhere. he could be in the city he could be under the city he could be on the other side of the planet fFrom the city. He could be on earth. He could be -- pause fFor dramatic effect -- Anywhere.

Alejo said he had gone missing. that's all we know. We need to send info to kurt pronto. he can give this info to the police. yes, that's the right thing to do. i don't care if there will be third power people on the police fForce. V has left the building. and kurt needs to give the police what they want so they leave him alone.

I'm not quite sure why people want to defend Cyrus, except out of concern fFor being lied to again. it doesnt get any more plain than this, however. here we have every piece of the puzzle. the murder, the viard album message, the name (Quint - V). it is all, every bit incriminating.


PS. did i mention i fFeel sick? man. i think it's iTunes info which churns my stomach most.

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Jakeo
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WolverineFan wrote:


EDIT: Anyone else wondering if the long strings of gibberish in the file paths actually mean something? mime encoded data? md5 strings? Okay, just me then? Smile

EDIT2: Yeah, I know that all the files have similar gibberish not just these 2 and that it's most likely just security by obscurity... But you never know! Smile


I hacked around the whole thing for a while, and I'm quite sure its security through obscurity. The first data that comes back after login is an ID of a similar style that is used to navigate the file system. Nothing to see here Smile

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I know this is gonna reflect a lot of prior thoughts. Having slept on it I was all ready to post a nice long thought process the thought "nahh! summarise"

Patsy? - possibly

Alias? - most likely

2 options.

If we think about it how did Kurt get directed to the Hesh Intranet in the first place- the original message led us to Hesh, to the Intranet and the file it also led to Gillett Road. I think this is all a smoke screen and ways of getting us and Kurt out of the way.

If he is a patsy we still have a threat in Hesh possibly and we need to get Kurt and Violet up to date - I fear for there safety and I certainly have an idea something will happen on the 25th
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I still don't understand why Cyrus would have done all this, if he was in fact V. Bond-villain style cockiness? It just doesn't sit right with me. So the theory is: frame Helena Frye, thus leading to the bungled Gillet Road raid? Knowing that we'd inevitably find out who had engineered the Viard album, he then leaves the file on the Hesh server by way of a calling card and gets the hell outta Dodge?

Actually... that does make a funny kind of sense. The plot thickens...

(In other news, I'm off on holiday for a week or so, so shan't be able to deal with any mod-type requests. Oh, and good luck to all who'll be going to the New York PCAG event!)

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I don't know about anyone else, but I feel more and more manipulated by the 3P as each new clue surfaces.

As far as I can tell, they have just out and out threatened us, giving names of specific people as evidence that they aren't just making this stuff up.

We need to get smart and start suspecting that maybe the 3P are more in control than we first thought. We don't want another CC 'all a ruse to spy on us' scenario, and I suspect thats what they are giving us. I wonder what would have happened if we'd contacted our agents and told them *not* to go to the subway. Perhaps they would have stumbled out the clue anyways, but perhaps the 3P would begin to realise that we are not sheep that can be lead anywhere.

These people kill people. In very unpleasant ways. They have no compassion or mercy and they have tricked us at least once before. New York and London players be on the look out, I suspect the 3P will be there somewhere.

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Quote:
but I feel more and more manipulated by the 3P


You know this is actually quite a good and scarey point. Someone said the same and questioned our motives for hacking the Hesh Intranet earlier in the thread. Are we doing there bidding, are we letting them know who they need to target

Im off to hide in the cupboard they know where we live Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Guin wrote:

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It is notable as being the only time he referred to his comanion in this way in scripture.
There has been much theologicol debate on why there are so few references to the Apple-
Thief, though of course there are more suggestions at references in various texts of dubious
authority and veracity.

May the light of the Cube shine in your heart now and forever more.

Sister Flynnt


Just for completeness, this implies that the futures are based on actual people, probably the 12 disciples of Gyvan (sounds familiar!!), rather than the constallations as they are here on Earth.

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