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duckiemonster
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jojojojo wrote:
but I do think its far too obvious and samey to follow the same pattern.


Which is precisely the reason that I think that the link is correct. Can also throw in the Quercus = oak tree = Holyoak (?sp) argument which would imply that 3P are just as fond of bad puns as the Earth CRT.

There's no hard evidence either way, I suppose. Monica says that she was killed by V, but did she mean that V actually did it or that V arranged it?

Gah. Feel like I need three weeks with the Wiki, no distractions and a couple of bottles of Vodka. THEN things might start making sense!
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tally wrote:
Perhaps another way of thinking about it would be to imagine what Cyrus intended to use the recording for... private listening pleasure ( a kinky passtime);

psyche wrote:
Ah, yes, that would make sense - V's aforementioned kink could be simply recording his murders and listening to them. And his job as a sound engineer would allow him to indulge that kink. I'm increasingly of the 'Cyrus is V' school of thought.


Firstly, the word "kink" simply suggests something odd. It doesn't imply anything illegal, sick, worthy of several death penalties, etc. It also suggests something that is done habitually. So unless there is a long list of unsolved murders in the police records, this is not V's "kink".

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Date: 10 October 2005 12:18pm
From: O7
To: O5, O2
Subject: V

I can hardly say *where*, can I? It's absurd anyway. He works at this stupid little job - says it's good cover, gives him a normal life. More like it gives him a chance to indulge his kink....


I interpret this as meaning that V needs his job in order to "indulge his kink". You don't need to be a sound engineer to make a track like we've heard. All you would need is a dictaphone and a homicidal urge.

Supposing Cyrus is V. Why has he disappeared? Wouldn't he need to be in contact with people to carry on with the operation?

duckiemonster wrote:
Can also throw in the Quercus = oak tree = Holyoak (?sp) argument which would imply that 3P are just as fond of bad puns as the Earth CRT.


I thought Q, K and C weren't members of the Third Power, but were just the hired help. Confused I find it strange that Monica Grand explains Holyoke's alias in that way. Surely somebody who claims to have such an interest in trees would know that "Holyoak" is the common name for the Quercus Ilex.

[TIAG] Other than the fact that Quint=5=V is too simple, I think the way that we found him was just too easy. I would be very disappointed if V is Cyrus Quinton. Mind Candy seem to have put a lot of work into giving us tantalising little snippets of information regarding V, so that we had the possibility of working out who he is. But for them to just turn around and say that it was all a complete waste of time and effort, because we've decided to make V a non-existant, random nobody, who has conveniently disappeared, with no way of finding him or anything about him, would be a severe let down. [/TIAG]

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But for them to just turn around and say that it was all a complete waste of time and effort, because we've decided to make V a non-existant, random nobody, who has conveniently disappeared, with no way of finding him or anything about him, would be a severe let down.


(Assuming for a moment that Cyrus=V) Just because Cyrus has disappeared, doesn't mean V has. Cyrus was an alias. V probably now has another alias, which we will learn about in due course. Plus we still don't know what his 'real' identity is. I'm quite certain we haven't seen the last of him just because he's decided to scrap this particular alias.

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Just had a thought, has anyone suggested to kurt (or done it themselves) that the Monica and V mp3 should be sent to the police (or several police agents,, just so that theres less chance we email a 3p agent). They are more advanced than us, they probably have some way of iding by voice. If that is the case, then they will probably be able to ge more info out of the mp3 than we can.

However, I don't want to take this kind of action without some kind of community approval, and probably best to run it past Kurt as well. Don't want an abuse of trust like happened last time with Aiko.

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I would second that motion, noodrez. Has anyone emailed Kurt and/or Violet with this information as yet? I think we should let Kurt know first and see what he thinks about it - I agree we can do without another "abuse of trust" scenario, otherwise they'll be less inclined to listen to us in the future! I won't do anything until I've seen general community approval though (and even then, someone else will probably beat me to it!)

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If we want an answer to the Cyrus=V question, one way might be to organise a Roll for Damage concert at the Academy. With such a high-prolife event, you'd expect nearly all the Academy staff to come along (with free tickets, perhaps?).

If Cyrus=V and works at the academy, then RFD should spot him (especially if there was a meet and greet with staff before the concert). If he doesn't turn up, then we can form a list of suspects from academy records. Of course, if V doesn't work at the academy, then this won't help.

Caine seems keen to become involved with things, and also to have built up a nice rapport with the Hesh folk at Pyramid the other week. We could suggest it to him through Kurt or Violet? It needn't be a concert, if this would be too tricky to organise, just invite Alejo to meet Academy staff on some pretext.

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Velma
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psyche wrote:
(Assuming for a moment that Cyrus=V) Just because Cyrus has disappeared, doesn't mean V has. Cyrus was an alias. V probably now has another alias, which we will learn about in due course. Plus we still don't know what his 'real' identity is. I'm quite certain we haven't seen the last of him just because he's decided to scrap this particular alias.


Cyrus Quinton worked in the same job for 9 years. You can't do that without leaving some sort of evidence behind - bank accounts, apartment rental, medical records, etc. He worked in a huge company, of which he was a notable figure - the most popular band in the city singled him out as THE person to work with, so somebody must know him. Aliases only work if there is no possibilty of you meeting somebody who knew you in your previous incarnation. V needs to keep his previous contacts to carry on with the operation. He needs to be known by the people he is trying to deceive. People don't trust those they don't know.

If Cyrus Quinton was an alias, V made a fatal error. Keeping yourself to yourself only makes those around you want to know more. Alejo mentions that somebody went digging around to find out when his birthday was - I wonder what else they could dig up.

Another thing about him working at Hesh for 9 years - that's an awfully long time to have been doing the same job, if it's just cover. Unless the theft had been planned for over a decade. And sound engineering is not exactly an easy job - you would have to have a keen interest in it to learn all the necessary knowledge. No job is good cover if you're just going to disappear, without a trace. In Cyrus' case, a great many people will be missing his skills and wondering where he is.


On the subject of telling Kurt about what we've found. I'm not sure we should tell him anything yet - anything he doesn't know, he can't share with the wrong people. The way I see it, there are two outcomes to telling Kurt;
1) He tells Helena Frye, who turns out to be 3P, and swiftly disposes of him.
2) He tells a number of police, it inevitably gets passed on to the 3P, who then swiftly dispose of him.

We need to be sure of who we can trust, before doing anything.

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We need to be sure of who we can trust, before doing anything.


In reality we haven't a clue who to really trust and probably never will. Everyone has their own agendas and desires. Personally I am more willing to accept that Helena is one of the good guys, simply because everything we've come accrosss to prove otherwise seems to have been directly planted to discredit or missguide us.

I still say we tell Kurt what we have found and let him decide whether to go to the Police with it or not...
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Look. We are not the only people working on this. Although I do accept that a large percentage of PPX players are Unfiction users, the game does not revolve around us. Shocked

Many others may have contacted Kurt, Helena or the police already. In fact, I'm pretty certain its definite others have already contacted them.

TIAG people, MC will choose what they want to happen, they've a plot lined up of whats to happen next and will pick and chose which emails to listen to.

Just because ryanandrew got slated for sending Kurt to Gillet Rd, if MC REALLY didn't want Kurt to go, they would of ignored him. Its pretty obvious at this point that Kurt was the one meant to go there and start this whole fiasco.

So please, stop the panic, put heads of normality on and think realistically. Is there really any point debating this on this thread?

Also, don't expect much to happen till Friday, MC are in New York this week after all. Very Happy
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Jojojojo, I think it works both ways. MC have a plot outlined, but if its written nicely, then it allows us players to make decisions, like a good pen and paper RPG. I also expect that MC are donig things like judging plot lines based on player majority, so if say 1 person emails helena, and 2000 people email jurt, then they will work it out as though helena hadn't been emailed (or at least, I would expect them to do so).

Along with that, I think they read the forums here and at other large ARG groups carefully. If they see a poll, or a large proportion of the community agreed on a particular action, then the result of that action will count as the consensus of all UnFiction members as a democratic authority.

Along these lines, I would say its not pointless to have these kind of community votes as they will have influence. But there will be independant parties out there and if the community action here isn't strong enough to sway MC (or they want to add a bit of disension into the mix) then they will be considered on equal footing. This is not a linear story with every conclusion already set in stone, its a game, very much like an RPG with MC having the basic ideas in their head but being guided by our actions.

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noodrez wrote:
This is not a linear story with every conclusion already set in stone, its a game, very much like an RPG with MC having the basic ideas in their head but being guided by our actions.


I imgaine it is actually. I would have thought that the major story arc would have been written and there would be little deviation from it. I don;t think you can run a game like this and have the story run off on tangents at the whim of the players....the general public are rubbish.

In summary: everyone should get amongst it.
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Its easy enough to have a non linear story. Games masters in RPGS manage it all the time. I admit that there probably is a fairly substansial story arc written, and we will probably be nudged along it if we are slowing down. However, just because the end points are set does not mean that the journey is. If we do something stupid, then I have no doubt MC will incorporate it and make sure there are consequences. The corrolary is that if we do something exceptionally smart, then we will probably be rewarded for it.

If it is not run in a fashion at least semi non linear, then there really is not much point playing. A story set in stone with no player variation, in something like this, they may as well just have written a book Razz Hence my thought that it is at least partially dynamic in response to player actions.

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[UPDATE] Path of Least Time

New post on Kurt's blog today: Last words of Monica

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Yes, I do realise that MC are likely to take the majority vote, so for them to take the majority vote, surely everyone needs to mail their own opinions? Not those decided here, or anywhere else.

I was merely pointing out your not going to get attacked by anyone if you decide to email something. You've as much right to mail what you like as any other player.

And of course they read the threads... they have eyes and ears everywhere.

*jojojojo checks behind shoulder...

We've all got minds of our own, and we should abuse this power a little more often...
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lol Smile guess theres no need for the poll I just set up anymore now either.

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