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Simulacra
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 		A new strategy: deductive approach
How about solving the mystery instead of solving the puzzle?

Let's start out with what we know about Red Kore Communications.

Resources of RKC:

- They have people skilled in graphic and web design.
Having produced the TELEPORT kit and they web site, they know how to handle design.

- They have one known employee: Marc Fiszman, "Research Analyst".
What kind of research is he analyzing? Is there only one employee? Can you call this guy during business hours? Why is there no contact infomation to other employees?

- RKC has money.
Producing TELEPORT kits and sending them to people abroad with FedEx for $60 as well as running web site and renting an office seems to be a bit too expensive for the lone lunatic. And selling the TELEPORT kits for $20 cannot be very profitable, if they didn't print a large amount. And if they did, that would prove they have money to spend.

- RKC is a registered company in Boston.
Otherwise they wouldn't get the redkore.com address and they wouldn't have an physical address, right?

- RKC claims to be owned by a diamond company called Star Diamond Group.
Why would a diamond company run an enterprise like RKC? Do they really exist? Has anybody visited any of their offices and asked about what RKC is doing and why they are involved with such a unusual company? Why is Star Diamond Group not listed in any diamond business directories, even though it is supposed to have existed for about 50 years?

- Marc Fiszman of RKC is related to Leo Fiszman of SDG
Is this how RKC gets their funding?

What's really curious is the motive for running RKC and have them produce TELEPORT kits for distribution. There are some possible explanations.

- Strange sense of humor
Marc could be a spoiled brat with too much money and time on his hands and a strange sense of humor. By doing this, he amuses himself by seeing how easily people are tricked. That would explain his cryptic manner, his presence at unfiction, but seems a bit awkward anyway. Why do this? Why not something more effective?

- Money scam
RKC profits heavily from people curious about what TELEPORT is. Nah, I don't think so. The marketing, production and distribution cost seems too high for such an obscure product to be sucessful.

- Irrationality
There is no logical reason for doing this. Marc just does it. However, this explanation seems a bit far-fetched since it seems so deliberate.


- Astral trips for real
It's true. You can travel to Cydonia and wherever you want if you concentrate on the cards hard enough. We haven't seen the light yet.

- ARG
It's a new ARG.

- Strange research
It's a test of viral marketing or behavioural psychology

Just some thoughts. Please add your own data and theories. I'm getting too curious.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 8:26 pm
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 		I found somthing else when I did a search for "redkore community" att "all the web.com"

affordable web design | boston, ma | design, development, budget, website, small...
... 10.22.02 RedKore Publishing elects jniche to create their internet community ...
Description: affordable web design for small business looking to take their first steps online
more hits from: http://www.jniche.com/ - 11 KB

However, since the date of the news is 10.22.02 the news is no longer to be found on the companys page. Redkore must have bought services from jniche as early as 10.22.02.

I also sent an email to StarDiamond asking about their affiliation with RK but its not answered yet.

I have been thinking the same way as you. It doesn't look like a scam. I ordered the cards because I figured that there has to bee some kind of meaning and I want to know what it is!

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 		I hope to visit the star diamond offices in NYC sometime soon.

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Nyght_Shyft
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 		interesting, but..
TELEPORT was originally released a few months back, under a different format: "aliens are releasing six UFO teleport modules to accelerate human evolution."
http://www.zeal.com/category/preview.jhtml?cid=289211
It was originally marketed towards people who find strange scientific stuff and UFO phenomenon intriguing. For reasons unknown to us, RK stopped this approach and TELEPORT has been reborn in the form we see it today.

Why change the approach? Not entirely sure.. we know that it must not have "worked," but we don't know in what way. In what way has the TELEPORT system changed? Again, we don't know. The Wayback Machine has no records for Red Kore, and we are unable to find any internet archives.

What's more interesting is why Red Kore is marketing this thing towards people like "us." By that I mean techie people in the IT sector (swec, inquirer) and ARG'ers (Collective Detective, unfiction, ARGN). Very odd. Marc's response is that TELEPORT might appeal to "these kinds" of people. But remember that previously the interest was in a different demographic. Not sure what to make of it.

Why is Red Kore doing this? We can theorize all day long, but I doubt we'll find much. Believe me, many of us have lookd long and hard into this and maybe, just maybe, we'll find a way in from this angle.. but I doubt it. I say we agree to play by their rules and try to crack this thing from inside their world.. using the trip package itself. It seems to me the only way to do it.
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 		Demographics...
As to why "we" are targeted Id say what marc said:
He tried the UFO and it didn't work
He tried "us" and it seems to work, but not well enough
He is now trying asian-american audiences.

So to me it looks as if he is "loking for an audience". Going about it as systematically as he can.

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 		Spending 60$...
I don't think it's strange that Redkore spends money on sending the cards out to people like the guy on Sweclockers. It's a really cheap and effective way to advertise the product. Redkore has a produkt to sell and getting poeple to hear about it is a necessity to get i sold.

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 		efficiency
ok... not to sound like a jerk... but please read up on all the threads... most of this information has already been dug up. Not saying youre not doing the right thing... just saying finding redundant information doesnt help much... but I am glad to have more people participating Very Happy
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 		ok, just wanted to collect some related thoughts in one post.

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 		cool
awesome Very Happy
glad to have you aboard Guest
go ahead and get yourself a legit name so you can get a little credit for contributing Very Happy
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 		I think the guest your referring to is nord. Am I right? Did you just forget to login? Nice to have someone else around who helps to put things together. We need to keep doing that.. we're getting all these great ideas dispersed everywhere throughout this forum.. it's easy to get lost.
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 		here
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ok, just wanted to collect some related thoughts in one post.

whoever this guest is...
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 		buisness license
Went to: http://www.cityofboston.gov/cityclerk/search.asp. Typed in the buisness name "Red Kore". This record popped up:

Date: 2002-06-25
Type: PUBLISHING
Business Address: 31 ST JAMES AVE #770
File #:024504
Owner #1 Name: STAR DIAMOND GP INC 1285 6th AVE 34th FL NY NY 10019
Owner #2 Name: signed by ROBERT POLAK, PRES

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 		Re: interesting, but..
Nyght_Shyft wrote:
I say we agree to play by their rules and try to crack this thing from inside their world.. using the trip package itself. It seems to me the only way to do it.


Watching your posts since the beginning, I've seen you go from skeptic to shill in a REALLY short period of time.

It's easy to suspect that you're on the inside of this, somehow, since most of your posts end with something like the quote above.

Confused

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 		Re: buisness license
bgardner wrote:
Went to: http://www.cityofboston.gov/cityclerk/search.asp. Typed in the buisness name "Red Kore". This record popped up:

Date: 2002-06-25
Type: PUBLISHING
Business Address: 31 ST JAMES AVE #770
File #:024504
Owner #1 Name: STAR DIAMOND GP INC 1285 6th AVE 34th FL NY NY 10019
Owner #2 Name: signed by ROBERT POLAK, PRES

Curious. I ran a business credit report sometime back and the business is listed as a communications company.

Publishing? Interesting.

Thoughts?
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 		Re: interesting, but..
Kneehilist wrote:
Nyght_Shyft wrote:
I say we agree to play by their rules and try to crack this thing from inside their world.. using the trip package itself. It seems to me the only way to do it.


Watching your posts since the beginning, I've seen you go from skeptic to shill in a REALLY short period of time.

It's easy to suspect that you're on the inside of this, somehow, since most of your posts end with something like the quote above.

Confused

Well, what do you think, Knee?

What are your thoughts about all of this?
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