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[LOCKED] [RI][RELAUNCH] Renata Isle - The Game is Afoot
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psyanide
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i cant believe none of us thought about trying that earlier...
makes you fell kinda silly dont it
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:10 pm
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More thoughts about ACE

Goddamnit my account keeps messing up. Well, here goes.

Another thought about the "in the key of Ace" thing..."Ace is mentioned on the windfall page (http://www.renata-isle.com/windfall), he's a member of the Lucia team (it's Lucia that RHS is facing first, if I'm not mistaken. He's also the captain, apparently...here are the teams again:

Immersion:
Elise, Ryan, Kyo, Dias (c)
RHS:
Curtis, Nuno, Karin (c), Anissa
Lucia:
Claire, Ace (c), Michel, Sara
Renata Village:
Vandel (c), Miroko, Sanders, Tania

These don't seem to be in any particular order, as the "right" order for the RHS team we've figured out as Curtis, Karin, Nuno, Anissa. And obviously, in the way they're set up here the position of the captain moves backwards one space each line. I'll look for anagrams between these names, but I'm not sure if that will help.

Remember, too, that Rico Cascade has replaced one of the members of Immersion team. I'm not sure which one, but it's someone from Immersion South, as they aren't able to participate because of the attack, so it could be Elise or Kyo (Ryan is from Immersion West, and Dias is still in it). There's also a question as to whether or not the Renata Village team is going to participate at all, I'm not sure if this roster was put up before or after the attacks.

Also, I've been thinking about some of the stuff on the Staff forum. This exchange is particularly interesting (from the "Cascade..." thread)
Quote:
Dias:There was no need to kill him... This is because of Julius! You are better than that...
Rico:Am I? Am I really?
Dias:... I don't know whats wrong with you. Get over it.
Rico:.....

Who did Rico kill? The person who killed his brother? Did he kill his brother (I don't think so, given how ticked off he is at Scarr)? Do we know who the third Eye is? Rico, Scarr, and who? Some things to think about.

-kenji

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:47 pm
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kenji
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thoughts about the symphony/repost

Yeah, nice work abstract. To go along with your work, this symphony mention has me thinking musically, and in Karin's post the book says "Sealed with the seven to be opened by the one." There are seven whole tones in an octave (aside from the repeated eighth). Also, ACE might not mean the keys A, C, and E, but rather the chord that those notes make up, which is A minor. So, if you read it that way, it's "This symphony is in the key of A minor."

What the hell happened to the rest of my posts? Does this happen often on unfiction forums? Here's a recap (first about Karin's latest post, then about Christian's convos):

Alright, those of you who've seen Karin's latest post, there seems to be an anagram towards the end of the cryptic passage. I'm not very good with this codebreaking stuff, but if it's an anagram "Vain at ruin" takes care of all the letters, another possibility is "A vat in ruin" which doesn't make much sense. The phrase also obviously contains the word "aura," so maybe that's something. I ran this through vignere, using the text from the book and the phrase at the end as both input and key, but I didn't get anything. Maybe someone with more experience with this stuff has some ideas?

Also, something I just thought of. The first word "Uta" can be rearranged to "tua," which means "your" in Portuguese (note that "tua" is in the informal form of address in Portuguese - "sua" is more formal). The last word, "Vir" means "to come" in Portuguese, and the middle word, "Nain" could be changed around to "nina." Ninar means "to sing to sleep," so nina could mean "lullaby" or "he/she sings to sleep," or it could just be the name "Nina." Nina can also mean little girl. So then we have "your, sings to sleep (lullaby), to come" or "yours, Nina, to come." So we have "Your lullaby to come" or, more loosely, "Yours to come, he sings a lullaby," (although "lullaby" is usually something like "cantiga de ninar"). This sounds nice, but doesn't make much sense. This theory fits in with my idea that the PMs are actually from Portugal, but I doubt this is the real meaning of the message. Strange coincidence, though. I'll keep working on it.

And the post from yesterday about Christian's correspondence:

Christian got a note back from Aimee today, a lot of you have probably already seen this:
Quote:
Oh the village. That is sad, you have family there don't you? I was in South just days before the incident and i knew nothing about it until we were told to leave. It was lucky, i guess there was a tip off or something.
I don't know why i have to research transport routes of the world. But now i have to research food supplies. Perhaps they want to import something? Our rate of growth is astonishing. But i doubt that we would change our policy on the world just yet.
I too wonder about mr Cascade's speech. I've been moved to Central and when he has been here, he has looked so preoccupied. But he has hardly been around. Neither has mr Scarr. In fact i haven't seen much of Dias earlier.
Before i came here i was under the illusion they lived here haha! Talk soon.

Obviously, the bit about the Immersion workers being evacuated before the incident is clearly meant to be another suggestion that Immersion was somehow involved in the attack. Don't know what to make of the food supply routes yet and how this connects with the strangers on the isle.

Also, I tried to contact Ryan as Christian, hoping that they knew each other previously as well, turns out they don't but he didn't seem too worried:
Quote:
... Christian?
Oh your one of the workers up North?

The developers seem to be giving us a lot of leeway with the Christian account, I really don't think they'd take it away so suddenly. But don't worry, I'm not going to post as him on the staff forums any time soon.

-kenji

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travelling performer?
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Rotundo

Cascade isnt in the tournament. It was believed it would be him, because of a rumor one of the three eyes was taking the immersion south reps place, but it turned out to be Carmen Dias. Or thats my understanding of it.

And my understanding of the killing, is that a RAI member got killed when Dias and Cascade raided them. It was in the news on the immersion site.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:56 pm
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Re: Rotundo

travelling performer? wrote:
Cascade isnt in the tournament. It was believed it would be him, because of a rumor one of the three eyes was taking the immersion south reps place, but it turned out to be Carmen Dias. Or thats my understanding of it.

And my understanding of the killing, is that a RAI member got killed when Dias and Cascade raided them. It was in the news on the immersion site.


Ohya, good call. Ignore that speculation, but the Ace bit is still interesting.

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I like the idea of the key of A C and E. Plus, he mentions "This symphony". I guess the answer we are looking for is the name of a symphony? Anybody know any good symphonies that have that key? I have tried entering schumann and schumannsymphony, etc. Nothing. I need more info, I think...

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I'm just getting into this and I'd like to make sure I understand everything. Here's what I've gleaned so far: Renata is a floating island separated from us by some sort of aura that kills people who enter it. It's rled by a corporation called Immersion, which is run by three poeple, known as the "three eyes." Recently, a connection was established with the island through the internet, and Immersion has taken steps to keep the citizens away from the internet. They've created an intranet for the citizens to keep them from getting too curious about the internet. We've found a site made by a , Anissa, and from there a site made by her friend, Karin. There's also a forum, where many of us are masquerading as Renata citizens. Is that it so far?

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Jalathas - read the forum or the wiki at http://projekte.patmo.de/wiki/index.php?title=Renata_Isle_%28ARG%29 though that is not as complete as the forum.

Thinking about the musiccanbegoodforthesould thing, "This symphony is in the key of ACE" - I was thinking that i could be a key for a cipher. I've tried decrypting the message this way and it was jibberish, but if we can find the "symphony" then maybe we can decrypt it.

Also, thinking about it, the message says it was uploaded at Immersion south on 17th Feb, but in the Staff Forums, everyone from Immersion south was told to leave and be on unpaid holiday on the 12th Feb. I dont know if this is just because hes found a "safe place" and hacked into it. Just a little thing that struck me.

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good work guys, I've been away for a couple of days for the PxC live event, I thought there'd be sthg in the URL but hadn't got it to work.

On the symphony I've a couple of thoughts, if it is Ace the word then linked to team lucia then possibly initials CAMS, except it would possibly be in order of play, and with any changes. I think it's more likely though that we need to find the actual symphony.

Also note he says "managed to upload ... having studied a map" the implication being there is a map which gives a clue to get into the system?

Finally I think we're assuming this is Jared, but it may not be, it could be anyone...

EDIT: Does everyone agree with the idea that we start new threads for updates to the sites, e.g. a thread for Karin's site, another for Anissa's etc? would be easier than posting in here?
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i agree with the idea, i just dont know if this ARG is big enough to warrant its own section

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Abstract wrote:
"This symphony is in the key of ACE" - I was thinking that i could be a key for a cipher. .


Ok, forgive me for being a bit thick, but what exactly are we decoding?


also, Can the key be a number? If it can be, perhaps the key is 14 (the value of an ace)
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symphony

Well, the symphony thing is not that helpful, we need more info. There aren't any symphonies written in A, C, and E, they're written in A or C or E. That's why the A minor idea made sense to me, because the notes A, C, and E make up an A minor chord. Unfortunately there are hundreds of symphonies written in A minor, the same as every other key. My thought was that the key isn't a musical key at all but literally a KEY somewhere, like a password or something. I don't know, there just isn't enough information to be guessing composers yet.

Audioslave, I believe abstract was using ACE as a cipher for musiccanbegoodforthesoul, which was found by adding together all of the replacements for the forbidden words on the forum.

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Re: symphony

kenji wrote:
Audioslave, I believe abstract was using ACE as a cipher for musiccanbegoodforthesoul, which was found by adding together all of the replacements for the forbidden words on the forum.


O.K...but don't we already have that solved? Why are we still working on it? (or are we? sorry, I've been pre-occupied the past few days, now I'm a bit confused)
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This is just a shot in the dark with the symphony thing…BUT:

Prokofiev's Fiery Angel opera is about a woman named Renata who, as a girl, had visions of an angel and essentially falls in love with him. As an adult, she's completely obsessed with this angel and tries to find him in the men she's involved with.

Alright, so I know that this is an OPERA and not a SYMPHONY, but the Fiery Angel opera was sort of a bomb, it never got off the ground while Prokofiev was alive. Prokofiev synthesized the themes of the opera into a symphony: Symphony no. 3 in C minor.

I know it was suggested that we are looking for a symphony in A minor, but I thought there were important similarities, namely, the main character's name being Renata, as well as the similarities between the girl in the fiery angel story and Anissa's secret diary.

But as I said, I think it's a shot in the dark.

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Yeah good call, there are some interesting similarities plot-wise. I don't know, I feel like we are making this way too complicated (myself included). Maybe not, who knows. The message is just so vague it's hard to know. And where the hell is Rico's address? Isn't it like 8:00 PM in terms of Renata forum time? I thought it was going to be in the afternoon? There hasn't been much activity on the boards at all this weekend, this speech better be good.

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