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[audioslave]

[ScarpeGrosse]

Would you please take this to a Private Message conversation?

Either discuss the implosion here and the myriad of ways this game could have been better and not imploded, or go to your private message function and try to have a discussion on whether or not someone needs a diaper change or not.

And for the record, all I saw here in critique of the game was opinion and relatively normal discussions on game quality, all of which are totally allowed on UF.

Until today. Then it got petty and immature. I don't think Kenji's the one to blame for that though

Please return to your regularly scheduled Implosion Debate.

[ALISDAIRPARK]

I have given up reading this thread, but thought I may as well add a RIP post.

Overall I'm saddened by the previous 2 pages, which to me can be summed up on both sides as the world wide culture of bringing people down. Yes I think everyone is entitled to their own views, of course they are, we're not nazis, but there is so much negativity, name calling and blaming others that this is just simply destructive.

I got into ARGs, and indeed this forum because of the culture of working together and cooperation. I guess now I've seen the flip side.

RIP RI.

[audioslave]

Yes, yes, I do apologize but I didn't at all wish to sit here and remain quite while people were attacking the game, in my opinon, unfairly. I am done now, I shall not make any more replies to any more of the (now useless) critisim of this game, unless it's somewhat mature (and yes, I was reponsible for some of the immature stuff, I accept that)


Too bad about this game, the PM really should have ignored UF completely and just kept trucking.

RIP RI

[jamesi]

/me sighs.

There is a huge difference between being critical of a game and being critical of a game designer. This also means that a criticism of a game is not a personal attack against a person. But that's all been said before. Again and again.

If you cannot take criticism for what it is, then do not produce something that will be consumed by the public. Make games for yourself and a few close friends and tell them about it privately. Eat up their accolades and bask in their glowing reviews. If you think that everyone is going to enjoy the art/game/article you created, you are badly disillusioned.

[MageSteff]

[RI PM]

Well, as James said, this is not good. This was meant to be a positive entertaining thing.

People took it all too seriously to be honest.

I initially made the game as a bit of fun. Look, yahoo internet sites, free emails.

It was the enthusiasm of people like alisdair and metla girl that made me invest more time and more money on making a better experience for them.

In a way it was metlagirl who inspired me with her kind comments about how into it she was that inspired me to keep going.

The players were a great group. And im not blaming any one in particular, but after the ARGN exposure, the expectations on me and my game got far too much for me to pull off.

See all the negative posts in this thread from people who didn't even play the game. And yet the people i made the thing for, the ones who were with it from early days still say they enjoyed it.

I do apologise to those people who followed this, and i just think it is best to kill the game before it turns into more of a bad issue.

I apologise profusely to metla, alisdair, audioslave and all the rest.

I do accept my failings, and i won't try something like this again. But for the people who say i was stupid and i shouldnt have tried, please remember i didnt start off with a full scale arg, just a few email riddles that evolved, and only because i wanted to entertain the people.

To be honest i was hijacked by wannabe puppetmasters, posting their own riddles, asking to be a part of the staff then tearing me down when i refused. And i never expected that.

As far as posting as a player, i posted as a guest, just so i could guide people in the right direction in cases such as this weekend when i felt i couldnt have the IG characters give advice. How would Karin know how to solve Rico's code? At the time i DID NOT know this was against the rules, as again, the game EVOLVED into its current state, rather than it being the original plan. It just happened. And i stopped as soon as i was told.

I feel like such a bad guy, but i did devote a lot of time and energy into this. So sorry again, and i am out.

[pm]

Oh and james? I didnt kill the game because 2 people didnt like it, far from it.

The reason RI cannot continue is because i cannot personally keep up the pace expected of me. Even though one person is more vocal than others, its still not fair on the others to keep delaying things and keeping them waiting.

To say its because of people not liking it and im taking my ball and going home is a bit inaccurate. I cannot create the product that people expect and that i would like to give them. It is my fault, noone elses.

But id rather people remember this as something that gave them some fun, i did work hard and so did the players and we all had a good time.

[rowan]

[audioslave]

[rowan]

[jamesi]

My last words on this entire debacle:

As far as the attention the game got from ARGN, the article stemmed from a game tip sent in by none other than "The Composer". I don't know why the PM continues to find excuses for "how big the game got" if they are directly responsible for the actions which caused it to get that way. Speaking for the staff at ARGN, we are making every attempt to put as much information out there about as many ARGs as possible with the limited resources and time that we have. We did the legwork to make sure that Renata Isle got the attention we assumed it wanted, since it must have been the PM himself that sent in the game tip.

I don't recall that I had said anything about the game being killed because 2 people didn't like it. I read over my posts concerning this again, and can't figure out where that statement came from.

The issue of the 'guest posting' is, as Rowan has alluded to, wholly inaccurate. The PM in this case was, in fact, posting game hints and puzzle solves under their pre-existing UnFiction username. Whether or not they knew the rules (rules that are prominently linked to at the top of every page of the UnFiction forums, afaik), the PM-guest posts were not the central issue, but merely the starting point in our investigation.

Audioslave, you can continue to disagree with me all you want about the policy concerning In-Game/Puppetmater posting, but realize that this is not a policy we've developed on a whim. Also, whatever your views on that policy are, if you have a question about policy (which you obviously do, judging from your latest post in this thread), feel free to contact an administrator or moderator directly, rather than making vague complaints here and at other ARG forums. Contrary to what you have stated over and over again, the Puppetmaster does NOT have the right or the privilege of posting in these forums in matters concerning their own game, particularly in a deceptive fashion.

As well, your statement about how, during this game, the PM "couldn't" give specific information In-Game irks me; I see it more as the PM "wouldn't" handle it within his own area of play, and used UF more for convenience rather than necessity. Emailing or sending a private message to an admin or mod would have gotten the message out just as fast. But, hindsight as it is, those are the choices that were made.

For what it's worth, I have no qualms about a PM posting about their game *after the game has concluded*, so as long as they remember this is a player's resource and not anything more. Many PMs in the past have done that very thing, without violating the trust UF members accept as a reality here. That's all it basically comes down to anyway -- the issue of trust, and moreover, respect.

[audioslave]

[mbhulo]

IU?

[MageSteff]