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[UPDATE] PXCPD Internal Access - 14 Mar 06 - Cymbalisty File
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locqust
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Weefz wrote:

It relies on an uncompromised pattern of bits in the file, so any changes you make and save could potentially corrupt hidden files. Don't know enough about jphide to comment on the possibility of false positives.


So its possible I have created false positives by having to change the palette. Although as I said earlier it should have affected all the jpgs as I did the same thing to all of them. Only a few came up with possible finds.

Only one way to find out though I guess. Shame I can't get this to work!
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Small Geezer wrote:
Thanks for the link Juxta.

Chris if it bothers you, just do what I do, skip over it!


No worries Small Geezer, I don't claim any great in-depth knowledge of Steganography, 'tis a bit of a "black art"

Semi OOG:
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(and it's generally not used very often...but it's one of those things that everyone has heard happened once, in Skegness, on a wet Wednesday afternoon, back in 1954, and so we have the inevitable "OOOH IT'S AN IMAGE! IT MIGHT BE STEGGED!! Someone needs to check it!" Although...we're looking at a police coroner's report...which they've gone to great lengths to keep hidden from us...so, erm...it does kinda beg the question *IF* we find something hidden...why the hell hide a message inside a document which we had to basically bring mayhem and terror to the whole city in order to get hold of? Monica Grand left us a similar message when she was murdered, but the difference there was that she *wanted* us to find it, but obscure the message from a casual observer)


As to skipping over things...well, two things really. Firstly, Chris is correct, there really isn't any need to abbreviate a word when you're typing a forum post, it's sheer laziness. Generally speaking, the UnForums are full of entirely literate, verbose individuals - it's something of an idyllic haven amongst internet forums, where most are dominated by the type of abbreviated drivel which simply makes my eyes, and my brain hurt. If you pick any thread at random here, I would bet money that you will find that it's generally quite readable. The UnForums community make the effort to write posts which are well thought out and easy on the eye, it's a valid point that a minority of individuals doing otherwise is just irritating, and fairly rude.

Secondly, I think everyone will have *something* to contribute, no matter what their background, career, specialities or interests, and I don't like skipping people's posts based upon the writing style - I might miss an important contribution Smile

Juxta *hopes* that everyone has something to contribute...and one day, promises to try and find out what he might be able to offer.

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Juxta *hopes* that everyone has something to contribute...and one day, promises to try and find out what he might be able to offer.


I'm sure that is true and the more minds working in different ways on the same issue the more likely we are to find what we're looking for Smile. I never would have thought that stegasaurases (or stegasauri?) would have anything to do with these notes! Rolling Eyes

I agree about the quality of the writing here. Most forums hurt my head in seconds and I run away crying, this one, I run away crying for different reasons - like I feel dense, or because too much conspiracy isn't good for anyone's sanity!

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For what it's worth, my forensic pathologist mate got back to me, this is what he said (minus the 'what the hell kind of thing are you doing' comments anyway Wink) -

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As far as morgues go, the "bins" are normally at about 4 degrees C which should arrest any bacterial degeneration of the body. The only time this doesnt work is when a ripe corpse is brought in already fermenting in the gut and the metabolic processes of the gut flora keep the temperature high enough to allow ongoing decomposition - although you'd normally spot these and stick those corpses in the deep freeze.

A supposed corpse of a couple of hours with green discolouration is a bit iffy. If the discolouration is due to putrefaction then this is too soon - usually a few days to ripen. What you get after a couple of hours is pooling of blood and mottling of the skin into very pale white areas and purplish vivid areas associated with gravitational pooling.

Of course the green discoloration could be due to some external factor such as dye etc.


The pooling he mentions causes the livor mortis which is recorded in the PM report. The more I think about this, the more different things in the report (and the back story) are suggesting different times of death, seems a bit odd that they expect us to get high-end Egyptologists to help solve things, but not forensic pathologists...

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Actually, it was a wet thursday afternoon, in London.
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Uhtoff wrote:
For what it's worth, my forensic pathologist mate got back to me, this is what he said (minus the 'what the hell kind of thing are you doing' comments anyway Wink) -

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As far as morgues go, the "bins" are normally at about 4 degrees C which should arrest any bacterial degeneration of the body. The only time this doesnt work is when a ripe corpse is brought in already fermenting in the gut and the metabolic processes of the gut flora keep the temperature high enough to allow ongoing decomposition - although you'd normally spot these and stick those corpses in the deep freeze.

A supposed corpse of a couple of hours with green discolouration is a bit iffy. If the discolouration is due to putrefaction then this is too soon - usually a few days to ripen. What you get after a couple of hours is pooling of blood and mottling of the skin into very pale white areas and purplish vivid areas associated with gravitational pooling.

Of course the green discoloration could be due to some external factor such as dye etc.


The pooling he mentions causes the livor mortis which is recorded in the PM report. The more I think about this, the more different things in the report (and the back story) are suggesting different times of death, seems a bit odd that they expect us to get high-end Egyptologists to help solve things, but not forensic pathologists...


Can you ask your pathologist friend about the gray-white mucosa inconsistency I posted about earlier? From what I've read if he's going green he should also have purple/red airway mucosa.

And if he really has been dead a few days then we're back to the clone theory whereby they managed to manufacture an AI clone or actor that not only did Cymbalisty's job for a full day without looking suspicious but also managed to have an entire 10-15 minutes conversation with Jason about the archive and the War exhibit Confused
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Uhtoff wrote:
The more I think about this, the more different things in the report (and the back story) are suggesting different times of death...


So Doc, where's the money?

I'm still thinking that he'd been dead longer than we are lead to believe from the report and the witness statements.

But could we just be looking at OOG mistakes? I think I'm going to say "no", just because we're looking at this with a view to finding reasons to disregard suicide. At the moment I think there's more than enough evidence to doubt this verdict.

Psst, good luck to all of you wrestling the steggosauri Very Happy
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kizandtango
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urgh god this is so petty. i spell things differently and a few choice people get all offended because they cant be bothered to read it, n then say because i spell differently then i must have nothing to contribute. you wouldnt say that if i had a PHD in astro physics, but was dyslexic. Lets leave it there and forget about it. and look at that, not one spelling mistake (not intentional any way)

peace, love, war etc.

No more comments on it, lets drop it, please? sake of the board and all that?
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Juxta wrote:
Secondly, I think everyone will have *something* to contribute, no matter what their background, career, specialities or interests, and I don't like skipping people's posts based upon the writing style - I might miss an important contribution Smile


13th labour, Reimann, SHUFFLED. Take your pick please.

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The forensic sweep is bugging me.
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DNA: zero quantities of foreign cellular material in carpet. Insufficient dust for testing.

TRACE: no droplets or smears.


Insufficient dust for testing? No drops or smears? From all accounts, the guy was reclusive, and stayed in that study. Now I don't know about you, but my study gets hoovered once, maybe twice a month, and not a day goes by where i don't spill my coffee or put my hand on the desk (would leave a print...)

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SECURITY: building surveillance system offline. No internal security measures. Apartment door locked (on latch). Windows locked and barred.


So he was killed in a room locked from the inside? Confused

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Brain: Damage reached fatal levels approx 16-24 hours after initiation.


And they found him 16-24 hours after drinking half a cup of coffee?

Ok... Jigsaw time...

He leaves with Jason at: 18:15
He leaves Jason and goes home before: 19:30
He is found next morning at: 12:20 the next day...

so about 18 hours between leaving the library and being found dead?

Spec... Miranda bunked off early, ran to his house, poisoned his coffee maker with too much Ceretina and he drank some and passed out, dying 16 hours later, when his key goes off, letting the po-lice know that he's dead. they get there between two and a half hours and twenty minutes later...

20 mins? geez, even people in the styx get help faster than that.
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European Chris wrote:
Weefz wrote:
Ooo, that's a bit harsh for a few misplaced spaces and missing letters.

I don't know what's been going on in other threads or on IRC about this but if you two need to argue this out and throw insults please take it to PMs.


It's not as though he missed an apostrophe or used 'less' when he meant 'fewer', he made up a new language because it was easier for him to do so and wasn't bothered if other people would find it difficult to phonetically decode what he was saying; it's just selfish.

Curiously, I wasn't in IRC last night. It's nice to see other people agree with me however.


Was his post changed or something? I didn't see any problems, and I had no trouble understanding what he was saying at all.

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nope, the post wasnt changed at all. anyway, its over now so moo. Thats a point, does he have a coffee maker or does he (did he) make single cups of coffee? Could make a difference because the maker could be poisoned at any time, where as the single cup could have been made by someone for him or the drug could have been put in the jar of coffee he used to make it, in which case the drug would STILL be in the jar....
Emailing Anna and asking her what he uses to make his coffee !!
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What is bothering me:
I am not certain I am reading this correctly, or perhaps the reports are vague. Is the cheek abrasion only due to desk pressure and subsequent livor mortis? Because it did not seem to exist until the body was moved and examined.

Also, why wasn't the cheek saliva sampled and tested?

Other bothers:

The forensics officer at 12:20 (perhaps it was rushed) claims time of death between 10 and 12, and the key is open, on, and has the vital sign alert on it. Yet the coroner at 12:35-ish says that the key specifically read 11:50 at death. Not necessarily a clue, but it's odd.

Also odd that the Forensics report has the strikethrough error MAI for MIM(-asan).

The witness statement jpgs are all posted as 14/1 when they were taken on the 14th, 15th, and 16th, as noted.

I believe Miranda specifically had something to do with this, especially considering her witness statements (I never really talked to him, etc, when Isaac was popping Ceretin to speak with her). She clearly is exerting her pheromone/attraction ability during the statement - the interrogator breaks off at the end with "only one more question," "no, no, please - are you okay" bits. I think that Cymbalisty had a cold or bacterial respiratory infection (hence the green mucus, grey esophageal mucosa, reddened eyes), and thus wasn't susceptible to Miranda's..."influence." She's also been bringing in food to the library staff (not to mention Kurt). (And I still think she's an AI with no fingerprints or family. heh.)

Off home, will elaborate more later.

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As to the abrasion, I may be wrong, but I think the coroner/police surgeon will examine the body in situ at the site, but without moving it. Then the body will be moved/stripped and end up in the mortuary where the PM can be done along with a full examination. Explains the fact that the green mottling wasn't seen in situ (clothed) and the abrasion wasn't seen (assuming the abrasion was cause by contact between face and desk, so it's not seen till they lift up his head).

Miranda - Pheremone power? Is this a spec (have seen it mentioned elsewhere) or a definite?

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It's a definite prejudice...Miranda is a witch. Miranda in The Tempest was a rubbish heroine and the name's origins are something like"a woman who must be admired" from Latin mirare.

But anyway...you shouldn't believe Cassandra, she might be right Smile
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