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[Weefz]

[kizandtango]

in that case i think its even mor important to have a word with the cleaner. maybe she could go back to the place and tell us if anything is missing or out of place in any way. simply because the police havent interviewd the cleaner, and maybe the person that killed issac didnt know about the cleaner either. he/she could be our ace in the hole? its a long shot maybe, but then again, all we seem to have at the moment is the coffee and the drug to help us along.

ive mailed anna n asked if she knows the company that cleans for him, so we wil wait on that.

kiz

[psyche]

I don't think the cleaners can tell us anything. Remember that the thing that tipped Kurt into helping Anna was the realisation that even though there had been cleaners moving around in his house on the Thursday, on the Saturday the police could find not a shred of evidence that anyone had been in Cymbalisty's house in the last few days. So between the cleaners leaving on Thursday and the police arriving on Saturday, someone must have cleaned the place (or had a back-up team clean the place) much more intensely than normal cleaners would, as they erased any traces of the ordinary cleaners' presence. The reports say that there was insufficient dust etc to analyse. Normal cleaners don't clean like that!

Actually, it reminds me of the way Gillit Road was absolutely clean. Not that I'm suggesting there were woozhy cleaning nano things at Cymbalisty's, but I do think V's clean up squad have ways of cleaning a place more thoroughly than the average cleaner.

[cassandra]

I know the ascites isn't likely, though it could have occurred in the weeks prior to death. Or perhaps Cymbalisty was a bit overweight until this Ceretin/stimulant binge took off the pounds rather quickly.

Or he could be a closet dealer and swallowed a bunch of ceretiva bags for transport, thus stretching his stomach. He excreted them in the bathroom (taking off his pants in the process), but one broke and caused a massive toxic reaction. The "cleaners" were there to pick up the goods and cover their tracks (ie, putting a dusting of the ceretiva in the coffee, writing a pathetic suicide note).

[locqust]

It does seem very "the Assasain" like though with the cleaners.
It probably was the same lot that did Monica, in fact if I remember the guy who did it (assuming it was "V") took too long to kill her and they had no time to get a cleaning crew in. So maybe a CIA/Black Ops style "on retention" crew to do this?

[kizandtango]

yeah i realise its a long shot, but the regular cleaner would notice something out of place where as police and even anna wouldnt, because the cleaner is there EVERY week and knows where she put things and how things are normaly when she arrives the next week...see what im sayin?

[Weefz]

[locqust]

Just had a thought, we are given the names of the coroners but not the interviewing officer/s that took the witness statements. How did the officer know about Kurt and Miranda? It wasnt mentioned earlier in the interview and if it was why isnt it on the transcript? And if thats missing how much more is missing from the files?

My initial thought was that the interviewer either knows Miranda or Kurt socially or professionally. Or at least enough to know they are an item.
So Helena Frye? Or one of the guys who was in the raid squad or Kurt's subsequent "minder"?

If it was, it was also explain Violets obvious hostility towards the interviewer.

[Bakers_12]

Has any one thought of sending the reports to the sentanl. This would force the hands of the police into looking for a killer if it went public and as it would come from earth it would not implecat kurt or anna.

[locqust]

it could actually because then questions would be asked as to who provided us the information or the ability to play around with the police system, which would start an internal inquiry to security hacks, leading back to Kurt and Anna's husband, Fleming.

[Bakers_12]

[locqust]

Lol dont worry Ive come up with ideas like that too

[spugmeistress]

[Weefz]

[Brian Morton]

I've dealt with patients with ascites and usually it's due to congestive heart failre(CHF). It also spreads to legs and feet due to gravity. It's really a systemic issue and not something that "just happens" or that can be cured in a few days. Usually an exteme fliud intake restriction and diuretic therapy are needed for a long time. It definitely would be mentioned on the report.
P.S. Damn, this is the first time I bring my work to play and not the other way around.