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[Puzzle] #243 Silver - Shuffled Part 2 (Read 1st Post!)
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RedZed333
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 		Re: The Significance of the number 108 ... fresh ideas (mayb
CrestfallenGirl wrote:
There are several significant instances related to the number 108 ...
Thought I would throw a few out there - specifically ones I found to (perhaps) be helpful.

    1) Sanskrit alphabet: There are 54 letters in the Sanskrit alphabet. Each has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti. 54 times 2 is 108.
    2) Islam: The number 108 is used in Islam to refer to God.
    3) Jain: In the Jain religion, 108 are the combined virtues of five categories of holy ones, including 12, 8, 36, 25, and 27 virtues respectively.
    4) Chinese: The Chinese Buddhists and Taoists use a 108 bead mala, which is called su-chu, and has three dividing beads, so the mala is divided into three parts of 36 each.
    5) The ancient Indians were excellent mathematicians and 108 may be the product of a precise mathematical operation (e.g. 1 power 1 x 2 power 2 x 3 power 3 = 108) which was thought to have special numerological significance.
    6) Astrology: There are 12 constellations, and 9 arc segments called namshas or chandrakalas. 9 times 12 equals 108. Chandra is moon, and kalas are the divisions within a whole. Planets and Houses: there are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 times 9 equals 108.


And.............???

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 		Well, personally I'm all in favour of posting fresh new ideas, as it might just spark off someone else to go down a path that no-one has tried before. Good, creative, lateral thinking...

Cabbage Mr. Green

And P.S. we are now on p.43 - new Fred time? (PS I'm not volunteering to summarise the last 43 pages)... Wink
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 		Re: The Significance of the number 108 ... fresh ideas (mayb
CrestfallenGirl wrote:

6) Astrology: Planets and Houses: there are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 times 9 equals 108.


Erm that would be wrong (well now that pluto is no longer considered as a planet Laughing )

The Humor aside, I second Cabbage good thinking.

And we are definitely in need of a new Thread for this Laughing or even a new sub-catagory specific to shuffled.

P.S. Has anyone sent any emails to Garnet and got any back lately?
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 		Re: The Significance of the number 108 ... fresh ideas (mayb
manleym wrote:
CrestfallenGirl wrote:

6) Astrology: Planets and Houses: there are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 times 9 equals 108.


Erm that would be wrong (well now that pluto is no longer considered as a planet Laughing )


It would have been correct when the card was designed (seems like a long long time ago now, and I joined this game pretty late)

manleym wrote:

And we are definitely in need of a new Thread for this Laughing or even a new sub-catagory specific to shuffled.

P.S. Has anyone sent any emails to Garnet and got any back lately?


I could definitely do with a new hint... Smile
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 		One thing that bothers me about Garnet's explanation is that he never mentions the 'cipher text' on the card box.

Seems strange considering we all appear to believe it was all ready there and is an essential part of the puzzle, perhaps it isn't and it's part of Garnet's own 'working out'.

Maybe it doesn't even have anything to do with it all.

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RedZed333 wrote:

Maybe it doesn't even have anything to do with it all.


That would be truly Evil or Very Mad
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
yes, Evil or Very Mad

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 		Did anyone ever work out why the plastic opening strip appears broken in a number of places? The white marks look like they're on the top of the plastic, obscuring both the gold strip and the pack beneath the plastic, there's also a number of other marks which look rather suspect. Looks photoshopped to me.

I searched through the posts and couldn't find an answer.
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ixalon wrote:
Did anyone ever work out why the plastic opening strip appears broken in a number of places? The white marks look like they're on the top of the plastic, obscuring both the gold strip and the pack beneath the plastic, there's also a number of other marks which look rather suspect. Looks photoshopped to me.

I searched through the posts and couldn't find an answer.


To the best of my memory (and it's not very good these days... what was the question again?)

To the best of my memory, someone said that it looked a bit sus, then someone else said that it looked like reflected light, and the discussion kind of died off there, but some people did suggest that the spacing could be significant. Could be, if "outward looks" means looking at the outside of the pack... let's face it, anything's worth going over again at this stage... Sad


Edit - found a reference by doomsdayred to the light reflecting on the unopened packet in the original Shuffled fred (search is my fiend) http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11528&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=566
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 		Red Zed Head Bed ...108 and other worthless musings of CFG
I see your point, Zed ... and I'll be the first to admit - the girl in me sure can ramble and babble and generally just suck up a lot of time with fluff. It was late - or very early however you look at it and I was in need of sleep. I had a bunch of theories going on in my head and was too tired to actually get them coherently out and onto a post, it seems. Apologies ... (and thanks for having my back, Cabi - hope you got those papers graded)

Ummm, also this just popped into my head - isn't 108 also a significant number for Lost ... any Losties out there?

p.s. Aren't you supposd to bed dead, Zed? Very Happy

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 		Use of the word 'Cold'
Garnet's text on card -
I helped the Perplex City Police to plug the leak but we still didn't know who was responsible and all our leads had gone cold.

Whispered to Garnet at the bar -
If entropy wins, outward looks should leave you cold.

Von's hint - Examine the card more closely. If you're feeling cold, you're overly sensitive, as for the code, everything you need is there.

I think the word cold in the last two examples means the same thing it means in the first example - 'cold' indicates you are off the trail, nowhere close to the answer. Just as 'being warm' would mean you are getting closer to the answer and being 'hot' would indicate the answer is right there next to you.

So for Von's hint, he is saying -
Look at the card - if you feel like you are not getting anywhere or seeing anything you are wrong - because the code is right there in front of you.

Just another thought, hope it isn't too scattered and makes some sense.

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 		Re: Red Zed Head Bed ...108 and other worthless musings of C
CrestfallenGirl wrote:
Ummm, also this just popped into my head - isn't 108 also a significant number for Lost ... any Losties out there?


Heh, yeah. The sum of the Valenzetti numbers.

Annnnnnyway... I see what you mean Cabbage - it does look like a reflection, but it does end rather suddenly with a line about 2cm from the top edge of the pack. Hmmm... dunno what to make of it.

Von's "as for the code" annoys me... Does that mean "Examine the card more closely. If you're feeling cold, you're overly sensitive" is nothing to do with "the code"?
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 		this card sucks
honestly, guys, i registered with this forum just for this card. i actually discovered unfiction because i was looking for help with this card. now i try to use it to check my guesses at cards.

anyway, gratuity out of the way, this card is one mutha! i have worn out two packs of playing cards doing the cipher. but the only help that i may be able to offer is this: could the 'leave you cold' thing be a clue to how to key the deck? the first and last ten letters on the side of the deck can only be seen if they are 'cold'. maybe this is how to put the deck into the proper order to begin the decryption? i'm too OCD to complete the decrpytion. i keep second-guessing my counting and repeating steps, but maybe someone who is careful enough could use this to figure this godforsaken card out.

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ixalon wrote:
Did anyone ever work out why the plastic opening strip appears broken in a number of places? The white marks look like they're on the top of the plastic, obscuring both the gold strip and the pack beneath the plastic, there's also a number of other marks which look rather suspect. Looks photoshopped to me.

I searched through the posts and couldn't find an answer.


This train of thought has come up before.

I scanned this card at 1200dpi and scrutinised the seal, it appears to have some kind of white marking at various intervals, possibly 'tippex'.

I superimposed the band over the 'cipher text' to see if any thing came out of it but had no luck.

If the seal was still intact then, how did Garnet get the cards out?

Well if you look closely at the bottom of the pack the 'slider' is very slightly protruding suggesting he got the cards out this way, but why?

Confused

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brokasaphasia wrote:
Can't blame me for trying Wink
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Hi Brian,

Thanks for your email! The answer is, I'm afraid, no.

Don't worry though, you're in the good company of all 40,000 other players.

Best regards,

Guy @ Perplex City Customer Services

brokasaphasia wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've tried to solve Card #243 Shuffled for a VERY LONG TIME NOW.
>
> Are you absolutely positive that Garnet didn't slip a character here or there
on his ciphertext or card message?
>
> oh man, throw us a bone!!! please!!!
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Brokaw
> Brokasaphasia


Would this mean... no he's not positive, or no Garnet didn't slip a character?

Dah, darn you Mind Candy and your brain-melting ways!
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Mindez wrote:
brokasaphasia wrote:
Can't blame me for trying Wink
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Hi Brian,

Thanks for your email! The answer is, I'm afraid, no.

Don't worry though, you're in the good company of all 40,000 other players.

Best regards,

Guy @ Perplex City Customer Services

brokasaphasia wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've tried to solve Card #243 Shuffled for a VERY LONG TIME NOW.
>
> Are you absolutely positive that Garnet didn't slip a character here or there
on his ciphertext or card message?
>
> oh man, throw us a bone!!! please!!!
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Brokaw
> Brokasaphasia


Would this mean... no he's not positive, or no Garnet didn't slip a character?

Dah, darn you Mind Candy and your brain-melting ways!


I've wrote to customer services a number of times regarding ambiguity of clues and answers and they NEVER reply!

Wonder why?

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