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[UPDATE] Scarlett's Story - 24 Mar 06 - Favour For You
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EvilGenius
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 		Well
If I grasp the program correctly, given that this is a puzzle game after all, I imagine we will only get what we ask for and have to assume the consequence for that. We can't expect specific answers to general questions and we can't lead Scarlett's discussion with Claire anywhere once begun. I imagine this is a win or lose situation for us - push the right button and get the right answer, or not. Your approach would surely be the right one in the real world, where a discussion is continuous and flowing. I'm not convinced that it suits this contrived puzzly milieu. I'm still for asking more specific questions, whatever they may be.

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 		I quite agree with the evilgenius. (I love the name, btw Smile and fFun to say! "I agree with the evilgenius! MUAHAHAH!") *ahem*. sorry. right. The thing about open ended questions is you can just as easily get a conversation about where she went to school, or what she thinks of the latest key modifications ...

speaking of off the wall questions: Here's one which might prove useful which I bet Claire ould know the answer to:
"Who wrote the Djinn virus?"

story bedamned! give us solves! (well, not actually i guess .. i'm a big fFan of story .. but i really am a big fFan of answers too ...)
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 		Re: Well . . .
EvilGenius wrote:
Echidna - we don't, as you say, have a link between Isaac and Claire but Claire must be wondering why Scarlett is there at Anjsbourg, as I mentioned above. Remember what got Scarlett out there in the first place? The file back with the words "Viendenbourg" and "Reynold's Ionizer" written on it. I think we need to allay Claire's suspicions that Scarlett may have been "sent" there by offering a reason why she would come, that is to say, to investigate a lead in her friend's death. That would legitimize Scarlett's presence, don't you think?


Well, ok but, as far as we know, Scarlett has never met Cymbalisty so you'd be asking her to do a serious amount of acting. Plus, given that she's been out of contact with her family she probably doesn't know that Cymbalisty's dead so you'd have to fill in the whole back story for her.

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Unless I missed something, there is no reason for Scarlett to be worried about V herself, so discussing him would be out of the question. Likewise the Cube theft itself.


Given that V was responsible for the deaths of both Bernardo Holyoke and Monica Grand it's pretty likely that he's after Claire as well. In fact she says herself:

Claire Castille wrote:
The man who employed me has eliminated the two others who worked on the job with us and I'm certain he'd come after me if he could.


Not only has Scarlett found Claire she's had significant contact with Claire's father, both at the museum and the hospital, and she's gone on 'holiday' with Claire's son. I don't think it's unreasonable for Scarlett to assume she's in danger. If I were V and I was searching for Claire I would definitely be keeping an eye on her immediate family, therefore, I would certainly have become suspicious of Scarlett and her interest in the Castilles.

EvilGenius wrote:
If you were Claire would you confess to a Cube Hunter that you were involved in stealing it, especially when you have said Cube Hunter at a disadvantage (poor key reception, no way out, etc)?


Scarlett isn't a member of the Cube Retrieval Team and therefore isn't officially a Cube Hunter. We don't even know whether Claire's twigged that she's Sente's daughter - Scarlett could be a common name in Perplex City for all we know.

Anyhow, I still think we should ask at least one question relating to Claire's crime (we don't even have to mention the Cube). Bear in mind that Claire is the only lead we have for the Cube theft - everyone else is either a) dead, b) a murderous psycho, or c) hiding behind a desk at the Academy. No, I don't think that she's going to turn around and say "Oh, V is so-and-so and you can find him at such-and-such place" but she might be able to give us some clues as to where to pick up the trail - a hint as to who the Academy insiders are, maybe, or some way of tracing some of V's other activities. Given that our ultimate goal is to find the Cube I think we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we missed this opportunity.

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Anyhow, I still think we should ask at least one question relating to Claire's crime (we don't even have to mention the Cube)....Given that our ultimate goal is to find the Cube I think we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we missed this opportunity.


As you say we don't need to mention the cube, because as far as Claire is concerned Scarlett doesn't know that that was Claire crime, however with cleverly worded questions, we could get information about the crime and V without giving away that Scarlett knows she was part of the cube theft.

Something along the lines of, "This job you did sounds pretty involved, why did this V choose you and why do you think the other members involved have been killed?

EDIT: forgot my dots in the abridged quote!

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 		Re: Well . . .
echidna wrote:

EvilGenius wrote:
If you were Claire would you confess to a Cube Hunter that you were involved in stealing it, especially when you have said Cube Hunter at a disadvantage (poor key reception, no way out, etc)?


Scarlett isn't a member of the Cube Retrieval Team and therefore isn't officially a Cube Hunter. We don't even know whether Claire's twigged that she's Sente's daughter - Scarlett could be a common name in Perplex City for all we know.


True but she did travel with Allain and her friends for quite a while. I'd be surprised if her surname/family connections didn't come up at least once in that time, even jokingly. If there's a reasonable chance that Allain would know something I think we have to assume that his mother would know as well.

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Anyhow, I still think we should ask at least one question relating to Claire's crime (we don't even have to mention the Cube). Bear in mind that Claire is the only lead we have for the Cube theft - everyone else is either a) dead, b) a murderous psycho, or c) hiding behind a desk at the Academy.


I agree with this too. Considering Claire has already mentioned that others have died and she is in hiding it would be very strange if Scarlett didn't show the slightest bit of curiosity as to why.
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 		Thanks!
Echidna- thanks for the corrections - I mixed a few bits of Scarlett up with Anna, glad you set the record straight Embarassed

Quite right, after a bit of a rethink on my part, that asking about the "crime" is a good idea after all. Claire did bring it up, and mentioned that she is in danger, so it would be weird for Scarlett not to ask. The Djinn Virus is also interesting but not sure she would know. Anyone provide a rationale for that? Asking about Sente and his involvement is then probably not a geat idea, as it might twig Claire as to Scarlett's identity.

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 		Will Scarlett be able to keep in contact with Claire and Allain after she leaves? Maybe we should get her to try and get contact information.

I also think a couple of innocent questions about Claires crime would be best.
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 		1) I agree with what:

Small Geezer said:
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Something along the lines of, "This job you did sounds pretty involved, why did this V choose you and why do you think the other members involved have been killed?


Weefz said:
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Considering Claire has already mentioned that others have died and she is in hiding it would be very strange if Scarlett didn't show the slightest bit of curiosity as to why.




I also still think that including within this something about Scarlett asking what she can do to help with ensuring Claire's family's safety would add a humane touch, that hopefully would be a natural response if someone weren't just trying to get information, and might bring about more chance of info.

2) What about the 2nd question asking about the family legends like someone said earlier. Claire told Scarlett that all she has to go on is some bits of info from Viendenbourg, family legends, and a little other info. If the family legends play that big a role in this, I think that we should be asking more about them. (We may even be able to connect something said here with the history of the war exhibit that's going to be happening in PXC)

This way we would 1) touch on a crime specific question about V, and 2) ask a less direct question that could shed some light on what happened in the past and give us a gimpse into some more backstory that we may not have the chance to find out in any other way.

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 		My only proper opinion on this is that if we ask her to tell us what happened to Fran Mendling then Scarlett might appeal to her kinder side, and Claire might feel compelled to open up about what happened on the night of the "theft". Since the Sentinel today mentioned Fran again, it seems that we are being reminded of her existence. If Claire is asked to reveal what V is capable of as a way of provoking this line of questioning, Scarlett can veil her intentions under the pretense that she is concerned for her own safety.

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 		I concur with reptile - at least part of the envisaged conversation between them should ask if there's a way to keep lines of communication open, as in - take care, keep in touch; is there any way we could do that?

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 		ryandrew - good thinking!
I hadn't thought of that. Asking about Fran Mendling might be a great way to find out about that night.
I really wish we could ask more than 2 questions Confused

Anybody have any great ideas on how to word any of these possible questions so as to use them to the best of our advantage?

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 		Fran?
Do we know that Fran Mendling and Claire knew one another? I know Fran died around the time of the cube theft (though she was killed with a neuro-suppressant device so the time of death is in question) but we don't know that Claire has anything directly to do with that, do we (I've been mixing my histories up lately so I'm not as sure of my memory as I was)? Asking about Fran seems a bit too precise - I like a more general approach, asking what this crime thing is about and what the fallout has been for the participants (hoping to get at the deaths, names, and potential safety issues for Claire and possibly Scarlett); and then following up with the family legends, etc, hoping to learn more about Ansjbourg and Viendebourg. I'd like to ask if the crime is related to her knowledge of of Viendenbourg - maybe we can craft two questions that cover all that. Remember - before friday the email needs to be sent.

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 		Re: Fran?
EvilGenius wrote:
Do we know that Fran Mendling and Claire knew one another? I know Fran died around the time of the cube theft (though she was killed with a neuro-suppressant device so the time of death is in question) but we don't know that Claire has anything directly to do with that, do we (I've been mixing my histories up lately so I'm not as sure of my memory as I was)?


I believe the thinking is going something like this:

Claire was one of the thieves. Fran was the guard during the theft, and was killed by the thieves (she did die sometime during the theft itself...they don't know the exact time, but it was at some point during the Academy Ball). Thus, Claire would know something about it, and asking about Fran might lead her to tell Scarlett more about the theft itself.

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OK, so I hadn't gotten my wires crossed after all (I understood that Fran died during the theft and just meant we didn't know exactly when - not sure why I mentioned it in the first place as it has nothing to do with what I was trying to say). Would Fran be significant enough to Scarlett that she might ask about her by name? After all, she was just the guard . . . Who knows to what extent the thieves were in contact thereafter. I still think that asking more generally about Claire's crime and the ramifications for those surrounding it would be sensible - it leaves Claire room to talk about V, the others involved, her own risk, Fran, and the lot. Seems that could cover a lot of ground if Scarlett can keep her talking. Then asking about Claire's family legends and what she has learned related to them from her time at Viendenbourg and Ansjbourg could get us to lots of history and maybe to some technical stuff.

Some have asked about Scarlett keeping in touch with Claire. Provided she (Claire, that is) stays in Ansjbourg for the foreseeable future, wouldn't she have the same kind of communication trouble that Scarlett is having; wouldn't she be worried about being traced or something by V?

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