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LatentMoths
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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
totally agree with the coordination, although I don't understand your logic with the ascending descending numbers, why not just 1 & 1 etc through to 24 & 24?


The only reason I went with that pattern was because I figured that an individual would have a better chance of nailing both numbers in one guess. I figure the odds that the answer to each question is the same is slim. Having said that, I think any kind of ordering is better than everyone making their own guess and having so many repeats. So whatever we all can come to an agreement on is fine with me.
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Am I correct in assuming that you have to pay to play this one?


You have to pay to get a first crack at the information and personal communication with the Cyphers.
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Just an FYI since I saw the group mentioned over at SC.

LIFTPORT is a real company involved in developing a Space Elevator. They were nice enough to allow us to point people there way when Orbital Colony decided to use that method of technology as part of the background.
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As much as I'm for the idea of coordination and not duplicating our efforts, I have to admit feeling a bit goofy trying to brute-force an answer out of this very first puzzle.

It would seem as though what we're lacking here is a source of context for the words "poison" and "parasites". It would also seem that (at least for right now) there is only one number per field (digits in that number don't seem to matter).

I'm going to try something totally off the wall this afternoon, after I get some more input from the various forums. I'm going to try to add a few bits of punctuation in my guesses (i.e, seperating multiple guesses with a semicolon or commas or something). I may try commas in the first field and periods in the next.

Any suggestions?

-R

edited for silly, silly spelling errors. Stoopid 'l' key...
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Okies to avoid any needless debate we'll go with your idea ilikepucks I've edited the list on the last page so everyone will be clear on their given response, and I'll post it over on SC too.
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Silverkun wrote:
As much as I'm for the idea of coordination and not duplicating our efforts, I have to admit feeling a bit goofy trying to brute-force an answer out of this very first puzzle.


While I appreciate your brute force concern (believe me I enjoy the thrill of solving a puzzle as much as the next person), since the answer to this puzzle changes each day I don't see this method as brute force. We would be extremely lucky to hit the correct answer on the head the first time out (or the second and third time for that matter). Rather, I see this as a way of collecting much needed data so that we can decipher the meaning of "poison" and "parasites" as you said, and then logically deduce the answer to this puzzle.
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Silverkun wrote:
As much as I'm for the idea of coordination and not duplicating our efforts, I have to admit feeling a bit goofy trying to brute-force an answer out of this very first puzzle.

It would seem as though what we're lacking here is a source of context for the words "poison" and "parasites"....

I'm going to try something totally off the wall this afternoon...
Any suggestions?

-R



I wasn't thinking of this as a brute force, more as coordinating the spread of numbers to get enough data to work with. If everyone guessed the same numbers and got it wrong it won't advance us.

I agree that poison & parasites should have some context, not had any ideas yet, other than I would guess poison kills parasites, any thoughts there?

Go for it with the off the wall, Lady Indigo tried spaces, so I reckon the next try would be commas? I'm currently thinking that the /3 means we will have to get it right 3 days in a row though, as a security check against luck... but if you are trying commas, you can still use the suggested numbers for your first guesses ie 13, 8, 2
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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
Okies to avoid any needless debate we'll go with your idea ilikepucks I've edited the list on the last page so everyone will be clear on their given response, and I'll post it over on SC too.


With all due respect, I'd like a clarification on what is being considered debate and what's being considered collusion and application of thought.

C'mon, folks. As of this timestamp, it's still morning on the East Coast. We've got two datapoints, "hits" if you will, and a slew of good, but untested ideas. We've got folks of varying levels of experience and intelligence.

Besides, this is the first puzzle.

If we need to resort to blind guesses on the first puzzle, I think we need to throw in the proverbial towel... Very Happy

Let me propose this to the crew: Let's toss some ideas around, and if we can't come up with anything better by, say 5pm Eastern, we'll try a concerted guess with as many people as are in for it.

Thoughts, folks?

Looking for More Batch Processor RAM,
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My point is simply that we should figure out a way where we are all submitting different answers...however that needs to be done. I don't want and am not ignoring all of these good ideas that are being thrown out there. If you have a logical reason why you think the answer should be 8 & 50 (just a random example...don't get excited Wink ) then I think you should go for it, but it would be pointless for three other people to try it as well. So, if we can try and communicate our "guesses" each day so that we are not duplicating and wasting time that would be to our advantage. Very Happy
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I would still say this is the most logical way to get to an answer, especially with the one guess a day limit. If you want to try another way, or indeed anyone else, then go for it, no one is forcing anyone to do anything here, so if my phrasing implied that then apologies.

With nearly no data to go on, it's hard to come up with anything other than guesses, all this proposed method is likely to give us is some more info to work out the methodology. I would be surprised if we get a solve just from this (and I'd be quite disappointed too).

I'm afraid I'm not persuaded that trying to find the answer with what we have so far will work, but you could be considerably cleverer than me.
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You know, we already have data. Even if we did hit on the answer the first time out by going through that chain of numbers, all it'd do is give us more data. They seem to think that we can work out how to solve the puzzle easily enough with just the information we've been given. I'm at a loss for what to do myself, but there's got to be people here who are more experienced with this than I am and can at least suggest something in the right direction. We're not even looking at how the 1 this time or the other number last time might have related to the passage. Or at least we're not doing so out loud.

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ladyindigo wrote:
You know, we already have data....They seem to think that we can work out how to solve the puzzle easily enough with just the information we've been given. .. .


We've only got 2 numbers for the potions, and none for parasites, although if we can figure out the potions, and there is a logic there then we may be able to deduce the parasites. I have zero ideas on a relationship between the numbers and text though.

I don't think I've seen anywhere where they have have said we have enough to work out the answer? Someone said on one of the forums the fact they are giving us past text and results implies we may need a body of evidence to get to the answer
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I tried the #'s as 3 and 8


3 is the number of Semi colons
8 is the number of Comma's

it seems that the first passage had 1 comma and kevins guesses were
6 and 1

my guess is was 3 semi's as poison and 8 parasites as comma's

in the first one kevin's guess of 1 parasites would be right

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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
ladyindigo wrote:
You know, we already have data....They seem to think that we can work out how to solve the puzzle easily enough with just the information we've been given. .. .


We've only got 2 numbers for the potions, and none for parasites, although if we can figure out the potions, and there is a logic there then we may be able to deduce the parasites. I have zero ideas on a relationship between the numbers and text though.

I don't think I've seen anywhere where they have have said we have enough to work out the answer? Someone said on one of the forums the fact they are giving us past text and results implies we may need a body of evidence to get to the answer


Not as a "solution" but as an example of how to gather your information: Take a look back at one of the hardest puzzles I have ever seen. Greywethers Login Puzzle. When you clicked the "login" button you got a randome bag that had some random numbers associated with it, then were quickly redirected to the log in screen. If your computer processed the redirect too fast, you missed seeing the pages.

Take the time to collect the numbers and don't ifnore the ampersands (&). Track the results ( as has been suggested) because you will need all those numbers.

[spec] I don't think the x/3 means that you only have 3 days to figure this out. I think it means there are three sets of numbers that need to be coordinated in order to solve this in the method it was devised. [/spec]

On another note: I can see the "wakeful Agent section" (no I didn't purchase this case)- now whether this is an unitentional thing, or that the part I can see because it is now 24 hours after tha material was released to those who are wakeful, I don't know.
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Good idea Sgresso. Now hopefully no one else will try 3 for poison or 8 for parasites in today's submission so that we can optimize our data. Keep coming with those ideas Sgresso. Very Happy
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