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[PUZZLE] #232 Silver - Water Music
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UKver2.0
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duckiemonster wrote:
Just cannot wait to get my hands on this card.
I can't wait for you to get your hands on this card either. I suck at music! (although I did quite well on "Riff")
oliverkeers13 wrote:
I've looked at this card again, bearing in mind that it's meant to be landscape (see the orientation of the puzzle architect's name) I reckon the colour are there just to illustrate the rows to us.

I'm leaning toward that way too.

Anyway, could I get a little help on the water levels? I think some of them are the same and stratman's verson seems to agree. Could anyone else look at this and list out which ones you think are the same level and how you think the order from highest to lowest goes? For example, the lower left and upper right (when looking at it landscaped) look the same to me.

..O..X
O..O..
..O..O
O..O..
..O..O
X..O..

Is the second row from the left middle "yellow" glass lower than the second row from the left back clear glass?

..X..O
O..O..
..X..O
O..O..
..O..O
O..O..

Also (this is probably obvious to most, but I didn't think of it at first) the lower you go the more water you have to remove to get to the next note. So while the lower right "purple" one looks really low, it seems to be only a note up from the second row from the left middle "yellow" glass.

..O..O
O..O..
..X..O
O..O..
..O..X
O..O..

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Curlytek
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To my best guesstimate, there appear to be four distinct water levels. Whether there is slight variation from those is hard to tell without (and probably with) the card.

If they are given numerical labels, with 1 being the highest level, and 4 the lowest, then I see it (landscaped, using UKver2.0's template):

..3..1
1..3..
..3..2
2..3..
..2..4
1..4..

But it gets very hard to distinguish levels in the bottom rows because of the perspective.

I imagine an ingenious 3D modeller could set up an environment with the same initial camera angle and replicate the image. If that was done well, the camera could then be re-oriented to view the glasses individually from side on....but I am not an ingenious 3D modeller and I may also have a very poor imagination.

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To reply to an earlier question.
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The reason I was looking at Schoenberg was because I at first thought the glasses represented 12 different tones. So I tried semitones, and twelve tone scale/harmony, of which Schoenberg was the originator. I thought if he's also written water music that might be related to the answer.

I didn't understand what was meant by
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handel's water music containing only 3 notes, but now I realise it meant it consists of 3 suites in F major, D major, G major. There could be a play on suite/sweet if these are sweet drinks. The three colours could represent the three major chords, so you'd have
D F# A D
F A C F
G B D G
which would be 10 different notes, though it would be hard to distinguish those only a semitone apart. I think this fits in some ways but I can't see how it fits on the card. Also neither F D G or F major D major G major are the answers.

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this could be way off track, but could "water music" be referring to
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dolphin song, or similar "music" in "water"?


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UKver2.0
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.....E......B
C.......E....
.....F......D
C#....D#..
.....D.....G
B.......E....

or the slightly different

..E..B
C..E..
..F..D
D..D..
..D..G
B..E..

...keeping in mind that the intervals are what is important and not the exact notes. I have one set of glasses that play a B when full and another set that start with an A#. Visually they look exactly the same, but they are from two different companies. I have no idea as to what order to play the glasses etc. and everything I've tried didn't ring any bells. But that was expected seeing as I am a bit crap with music. My method was a microphone and some tunning software. I simply removed very small amounts of water until I hit on the next note. The major failing is, of course, translating the water levels in the picture.

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the_fountain
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Oliver, we agree

one of our customers sisters is a aqua musician, and she after seeing this card thinks it has no relevance to the music that would be played via, the depicted image, think we are looking at a deeper puzzle... Question

EDIT::: maybe we are but it now has 3 solves so well done to those who got there....

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I just noticed the two other solves on this card this morning.

May I suggest a chat session at some point in the next week to pool ideas? I've still not gotten the card, but I'm happy to sit here with a guitar and a little knowledge of classical music to help out.

How about tomorrow (Tuesday the 25th of April) at 9PM UK time; room #watermusic from the chat-solutions.org server that the #syzygy irc uses?

Please PM me if you're interested, we tried this the other day and actually found it rather useful.
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I got this card yesterday read the forum and saw this post from stratman and it made me think

Stratman wrote:
Just spotted this...

http://pbskids.org/zoom/games/tunes-spoons/index.html

Make a virtual glass/water xylophone!
The Mac version seems to be system 9 and runs but sadly makes no sound on my G5 running in classic mode. Maybe the windows version is OK.
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I looked into how we are to play the card (direction wise anyway), set it up in landscape came up with nothing, then tried portrait starting on the top left glass and it came up with a tune that i have heard before but cant remember what the name of it is.( Going to listen to lots of music to see if it comes to me )

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I think it is a waltz, i was humming and it sounds like da dum dum dum dum da dum da dum
Maybe im going crazy lol------>

maybe its a dead end or the start to the solve ive had a long day at work and am semi-brain dead at the moment

Congrats to the people that have solved the card

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Hi,

Not sure if the mood is to hint or not to hint, but happy to do so if it is.
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To hint, as long as it's done honourably and with due deference to addled sensitivities. Now you know who you are, just look away. I don't mind if you start with just the smallest hint, so the clever people can get it first, and give me a strong enough hint around midnight.
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I agree - I would prefer a little nugget to focus in right direction rather than the answer.

Congrats on solving tho.....this is 1 card I have hated.
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OK, nugget #1:

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The correct order for the glasses is to hold the card the right way up (i.e. portrait) and read left to right, row by row

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thanks, it does help. and for your amusement I have now failed with
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the blue danube and eidelweiss

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Stratman's 'Tunes and spoons' program seemed to help,
but I still couldn't identify a tune.

It did, however, get me some funny looks in the office! Laughing

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Same here. Plus the neighbours walking their dogs early this morning saw a strange figure bent over the piano with two glasses of water, a jug and a spoon. Started to think of anything with a water theme. Don't need to spoiler as so wide of the mark, but Ole Man River, Ferry Cross the Mersey, Johhny Row the Boat ashore, Eton Boat song. That kind of thing. Probably the water is in the graphics not the title, but I was inspired by my earlier wrong idea. So sure it was going to be right even though the tune didn't fit. Ready for my second hint.
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