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[Hex set] #233 The Earth's Destiny
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Mima
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Quex wrote:
T'other thing that springs to mind is that in no picture of pangea that I've found is the bit at the top of the card present... is this really a picture of pangea, or an image of someone(a particular someone)'s interpretation of pangea?


I think we are missing something here, none of the interpretations of pangea (which is a debated theory) seems to even come close - the image must be based on something and I think that Quex is right - this is someone in particular's idea. Possibly we need to find out what they think happened next.

Is it possible that there is a religion or prophecy based on this?

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Is it possible that Pangea's destiny was...
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... that it split into 7 (or 6 or 5 or 4, depending how you look at them) continents?

No, that can't be it... Not a 'mystical place'. Confused

*edit*
Ooh! Someone, in particular, comes to mind now... And I'm beginning to see a *rough* drawing of a *country* (as we know it)... *Not* Pangea! Shocked

And, I don't have this card, either, so that's all I'm saying! Razz
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Took a different route, tried

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memory


to no avail.

Do you think it's on that route? Or a specific place?

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jlocke
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Mima wrote:
Quex wrote:
T'other thing that springs to mind is that in no picture of pangea that I've found is the bit at the top of the card present... is this really a picture of pangea, or an image of someone(a particular someone)'s interpretation of pangea?


I think we are missing something here, none of the interpretations of pangea (which is a debated theory) seems to even come close - the image must be based on something and I think that Quex is right - this is someone in particular's idea. Possibly we need to find out what they think happened next.

Is it possible that there is a religion or prophecy based on this?


this site reconstructs the plates to a given time. if you set the time to 200 Ma the resulting picture looks very similar the card. i'm not sure that this actually helps in figuring out the answer, but it does suggest that this is indeed a paleogeographic map.

Plate Tectonic Reconstructions

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That's a great website jlocke and does explain the differences of the picture to landmasses. The large mass at the top did particulary disturb me and is now explained.

So if we now looking at plates then these locations may be under the surface or once under the surface (ie mountains as previously suggested).

A quick google showed that long ago people used to think that large earth movements like earthquakes were the work of mystical forces.

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Sorry, Flashomatic, Anasi tried 'memory' two weeks ago.

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ok so upon further inspection of the image generated from the above web site i think that it isn't just similar to the car image, i think it is the card image

i've attached a portion of the output map from that website, the area that i highlighted is just to the north of africa. on the card you'll notice that the shapes of the coastline is mangled right there, it's the outline of a square. i think that they took the image from this site and did some photoshop work to it to give it that pirate-map look.

the same artifacting happens to the far northeast on the map. look at the land masses that touch the rightmost part of the card, it you're careful you'll notice a tiny segment of a perfectly vertical line -- and it happens to correspond exactly to the latitude line from the web-generated map.

again, i have no idea if this means anything -- many someone more savvy than i can put this to good use.
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jlocke wrote:
this site reconstructs the plates to a given time. if you set the time to 200 Ma the resulting picture looks very similar the card. i'm not sure that this actually helps in figuring out the answer, but it does suggest that this is indeed a paleogeographic map.

Plate Tectonic Reconstructions


This is brilliant and lays all my doubts to rest!

As they do lie close to plate boundaries, I got my Geography books out and looked at subduction zones! I don't have the card, has anyone tried any of the following:
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crust, mantle, lithosphere, asthenosphere, and did anyone try chimera's suggestion hades?


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Wow! Great find, JLocke! Shocked
So much for my 'Arthur Conan Doyle'/'Lost World' theory, and the image *roughly* looking like Venezuela! Embarassed
:::::going to the corner to cower in shame:::::
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email from a professor on the subject

The map is of Pangaea, and is based on pretty modern data. One post has a link
to the project of Chris Scotese, who's been refining those maps for 30 years.
The big northern landmass is Eurasia, which spreads over the pole and therefore
balloons up in that projection. The four star points have no geologic
significance I know of, and were never together in any reconstruction I've ever
seen.

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On a complete tangent

the north (uppermost on card) star could in fact be greenland - wegeners final resting place. and if this is so then the other 3 poitns could be 3 other places that he could have visited during his life.

then this could be his life pre-ordained and his footsteps marked ..

Anyone know much about wegeners dig sites ? could they corrispond?

after all the northern and western most points are on the trail of mountains that once joined during the pangea time that were dug to compaire rock samples.

and the other two points look like the sites that could corrispond to the check for dead plant and animal life in fossils?

only an idea...

ps the smaller txt bottom left is basically describing both FATE and DESTINY but I guess most of you allready knew that just an update for those that can't be bothered to check the rest of the forum.

the other large star transcribes to roughly the following SEE BOLD again a refference to destiny.

or·dain (ôr-dn)
tr.v. or·dained, or·dain·ing, or·dains
1.
a. To invest with ministerial or priestly authority; confer holy orders on.
b. To authorize as a rabbi.
2. To order by virtue of superior authority; decree or enact.
3. To prearrange unalterably; predestine: by fate ordained.

so who's destiny the card title says earths but the text edges more to a person or persons..

GAH MIND FUZZ....

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it's not

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jurassic park

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Hi,

Been doing a bit of research on this one and have some potentially useful info. Bear in mind I'm having a drink and its 2.30am, so please leave the trouts in the fridge, we need them for tea tomorrow Smile

I dont have the card, and looking at eBay prices, doubt I ever will Sad

So... I've been trying to look for a connection in the four places, along with the words on the card, rather than trying a mystical place (which I feel could just be a red herring, or a red trout lol) or random guesses. The four places on here are real places, they existed, and should still exist in some shape or form. The use of the word 'fated' does suggest that it may have already happened, as someone said a while ago on here. Submergence is a real possibility though, all were or still are coastal regions, and on or were on major faultlines. The real problem to bear in mind about submergence is that the faultline near NW Africa has never submerged, it has always been growing outwards.

Anyway, it is wise to continue to follow this direction of thought - earthquakes, tectonic movement or submergence, vulcanicity, submarine landslips, and flooding.

However, from todays research I can actually link and find broad geological mentions of all four locations involved in a largescale Gondwana Glaciation period some time before the time of this map. This might be worth looking at, can we find out if there is a match between rock types or specific erosion found in these sites? The glacial material from this period is known as Ordovician Deposit. Pleistocene and Silurian are also good eras to start looking at. Bear in mind this map of Pangaea is before the breakup of Gondwanaland and Laurasia, 200-250 million years ago. Trouble is, the eras mentioned in the Glaciation are a long way prior to this timescale. Personally I believe that this map shows a much older Earth than 200 million years ago, and the software used to make it possibly slightly inaccurate.

One incidental point is that all four locations are thought to have been on the edges of plates moving in a westerly/norwesterly direction at that exact time.

Our destiny (the card is deliberately vague but points to all of the earth ending up in the same way) may well be talking about these areas suffering coastal or glacial erosion, this suggests the answer could be something like
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ashes to ashes, dust to dust etc, or we could be looking at returning to the sea, or to sand.
(spoilered because if they are the real answers I will look an idiot lol)

BTW. I'm almost certain the areas in question here are
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Peru/Chile, West Australia (next to Antarctica at that time), North West Africa, and Alaska
All are on different continents, given modern thinking.

Another place to research soon would be Google Earth (anybody tried that yet? surely they must have!) I think we should steer clear of Da Vinci Code style guesses and Big Bang theory for now - the Broadside card had everyone kicking themselves, so perhaps this one has a simple ending?

The Earth's Destiny? Sounds like the benefit of hindsight to me.

Cheers for now, Im off to bed Smile

Dom Roberts

EDIT - we all keep referring to four locations... what about the massive fifth star under the large text on the map? Nowhere on the card does it say four... Just a thought.

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I have been trying to look into the myths of the places to see if mountains have any special significance that might help us. I found The Encyclopedia Mythica which has been very good in case anyone else is looking in this direction.

So far haven't found anything useful though.

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constellation

On a total tangent this one.

"since the dawn of time" = the big bang - when the heavens and earth were formed, when stars were born etc. etc.

everything being "decided" alludes towards the idea of the zodiac and the stars being able to predict our future.

If our lives are "preordained" then might this also indicate that the future can be told.

Do the four shining stars on the map actually represent a constellation. I wouldn't recognise this if they did, but someone else might.

Failing that I am sure that the question at the end must hold the secret to solving this one - the choice of words seems to have been made very carefully especially the use of the word "fated".

Remember "mystical" can mean a place or thing that is only visible to those who are enlightened, which seems to fit with a puzzle!

Does the card need to be negatived or positived to give us a different image.

I know the background correlates with 200Ma Pangea very well.

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But it could be a red-herring (think the co-ordinates in Polar)

After all those stars cover a huge area and given the subsequent break up and movement of the continents it seems virtually impossible to accurately predict where those places ended up.
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