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#234 Mosaically Challenged (Hex)
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MikeRobinson
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 		OK - I've run JayJay's pics thru the Piet intpreter and got the follwoing results:

Pic Result
1 output of 3 repeatedly
2 output of 2 repeatedly
3 waits for input
4 output of 1 repeatedly
5 doesn't run
6 doesn't run
7 doesn't run
8 doesn't run
9 doesn't run

Hope that helps

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lpobjoy
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 		Where did JayJay's post go??

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JayJay
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 		Sorry Guys and Gals noticed a green mistake pointed out by Austin!.
So deleted my post heracy I know sorry
In the process of posting corrrected tiles

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Austin
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doublecross wrote:
Austin - do I take it that you have put 1 and 9 next to each other rather than overlapping them by one square? Also, what is happening at that magenta near the end? Is it asking for input?

Thanks


doublecross,

There is no overlap, see the trace picture that I linked to. Yes, It asks for input, unless the dark yellow next to the magenta is a normal yellow, in which case you get a DUP and an extra couple of 1s on the stack, giving 3 1 1 1 5 1 4 from the top down.

lpobjoy,

The 1 tile goes upside down on the 9 tile, as suggested by baf back on page 3.

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JayJay
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 		Lewis. Heres are all 1 to 9 tiles without the top black lines (Hence 1a-9a). Ive also put some other tiles.EDIT No I haven't !

I've been out of the loop for a few days ... I think it would be helpful if people posted the Peit trace pics. I have experimented a bit with Peit and combinations of tiles etc and think comparing traces would be useful (de bugging etc).

I have some Peit trace pics as well but will post these later. Be warned running the combined pic takes time to run.

Pics now corrected cheers Austin
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New Versions- Nice and sparkly 2nd May 2006 20:25
Even newer - I am sure Gimp is playing with me 2nd May 2006 21:35
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lpobjoy
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 		Nice one JayJay,

I have run through and have not had much more, mike has already posted our findings, we will try again tomorrow.

Our current thoughts are that we need to run each sub program, and then feed each result into the main program, so far no positive results, we shall plod on!

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devjoe
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Austin wrote:
doublecross wrote:
Austin - do I take it that you have put 1 and 9 next to each other rather than overlapping them by one square? Also, what is happening at that magenta near the end? Is it asking for input?

Thanks


doublecross,

There is no overlap, see the trace picture that I linked to. Yes, It asks for input, unless the dark yellow next to the magenta is a normal yellow, in which case you get a DUP and an extra couple of 1s on the stack, giving 3 1 1 1 5 1 4 from the top down.


Yes, but we were assuming earlier that there was an overlap of 1 row, because (1) it makes the subprogram 12x17 like the main one, and (2) by the set of colors we are now using, all the colors we would overlap match.

(1) is good because it means we could fit the subprogram inside the frame where the main program sits. And (2) does not change the output the first time around the spiral, and the second time around it just changes a 4 into a 3 and the only 5 into a 4.

Hold on, a brainstorm I need to check out...

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devjoe
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 		OK, here's my brainstorm.
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Overlap like we wanted to do earlier, and overlay the 12x17 1-9 grid inside the frame of the main card. Then each pop occurs when leaving a size-1 block. If you use the number you popped as a direction to look from that block (1 = up, 2 = right, 3 = down, 4 = left) and take the word in that direction...

then you get
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she sliced the canvas with shards a promise land shall never drown again those green subtle the precious there the path of the messenger she

Edit: fixed last word of this spoiler.
Part of that does not make sense, but some of it does, and maybe more sense to somebody who has been playing this game all along instead of jumping in just now. Maybe somebody with the actual card can check my work.
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Check both the pop locations/values and the words on the card; I am going by Austin's trace, modified by overlap, and by the words posted early in this thread. Is it possible "promise" is actually "promised"? If in the last yellow segment, we are supposed to pop those 4s (the way the program behaved earlier) we get "then obscenity" inserted after "messenger." Of course there could be a couple extra words at the end because we aren't sure about this last part.


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devjoe
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 		Here is an attempt
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at doing the overlay I mentioned in my last post.
http://devjoe.googlepages.com/card234
But it is limited by the images I have available, and so the words are almost completely unreadable.


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JayJay
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 		Devjoe

The word 'promise' is on the card promised is not.
Promise is on the bottom left of the card.

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ramsfan
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 		I can't contribute anything to the wonderful work but can confirm that the words and order as originally posted by jayjay are correct with the exception of obfuscate. I've been trying to guess at what the output could be. As suggested in relation to mother tongue you would expect a question requiring where.

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I did wonder if we were looking at the land where the apple race or the messenger race took place, ie when the golden apples were thrown down to distract the goddess, or marathon. Thought greece would fit nicely with mosaically challenged but can confirm it's not the answer.


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I also wrote out the four words which might be indicated by each of the nine numbers. I noticed that if you took the first letter from one of the four words the first 5 numbers could spell ectop, and that if you swapped a couple round you could spell ectoplasm. that's not it either.

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JayJay
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 		Why do I have the following trace?
I am using Win XP
Using npeit downloaded from the developers page
using the following
npeit.exe -t 19a.png -tpic (on a dos command line)

Cheers
JJ
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devjoe
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 		Because you have dark blues where we have medium blues.

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 		Yeehah!
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 		Well done Doublecross.

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