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Or maybe Von's clue is telling us to

**Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:50 am

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Have tried

**Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:18 am

Uhtoff · Veteran Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 75

It's

**Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:38 pm

echidna

Thanks Uhtoff - I'm just going to go away and kick myself now Rolling Eyes

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**Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:56 pm

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simonaubrey · Boot Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 37

From

http://www.online-translator.com/text.asp#tr_form

I get

**Posted:** Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:05 am

Brian Morton

Thanks for the great solve Uhtoff!! I've been working on this one for a while but I'm wondering what does it mean? Is it a local slang phrase? Isn't it a rather harsh statement for one of my favorite areas. (Moscow you perverts Twisted Evil

) But seriously, "dog eat dog" made more sense. Any ideas?
Brian

**Posted:** Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:24 pm

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Magma · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 119

I think really the two proverbs mean the same thing, hinting at the Human race's inhumanity to itself.

This is a problem when translating a proverb from one language to another, as proverbs generally rely on some metaphor understood by the society that use them. For example, one which I read about recently was a Japanese proverb "Neko ni koban" which means "A coin to a cat". A proverb given as meaning the same thing (Biblical, I believe they said) was "Cast pearls before swine".

The two essentially mean "Don't give things to those who will not appreciate them".

Bit off-topic, but hopefully an interesting tangent Smile

**Posted:** Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:26 pm

dig65 · Boot Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 27

I think it originated with the philosopher Thomas Hobbes (from the Latin):

**Posted:** Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:34 pm

Scantron

Russian

**Posted:** Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:25 pm

w0lfwoman

I had to get this one...it is too close to my own tattoo i carry. and for the same sentiment.

**Posted:** Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:27 am

xandert_86 · Boot Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 16 Location: Where I Be

Okay with all this

**Posted:** Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:06 am

Daffydil · Boot Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 28 Location: England, UK

This is the sort of card that annoys me. We had the right answer, but several very similar, but slightly different translations, and we had no way of knowing, short of shear blind luck, which one they wanted Evil or Very Mad

**Posted:** Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:12 pm

Fuseunderground · Decorated Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 151

We did know, because the card shows a russian version of a famous Latin saying,
You just have to give the (only) correct translation for the Latin.

**Posted:** Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:52 pm

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Frenzy · Boot Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 11 Location: Canada

I showed this to a Russian acquaintance who grew up there in Soviet times. He confirmed what it says, but also pointed out that this is the opposite of a slogan used by the Communist regime back then, which loosely meant "Man is a BROTHER to man" (don't know what it is in Russian), basically reinforcing the whole communist/socialist ethos (at least that's what they wanted the masses to believe).

The fact that this person has the opposite tattooed is a statement to how capitalism works there now (i.e. very "dog eat dog"), and is probably meant as a very anti-Communist message.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:34 pm

cloudrun · Greenhorn Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 5

To pick up on ManleyM's post. He pointed out that certain bands had played in Moscow (Mockba) and that bands like tattos. Maybe fans do too? So how about the band "Rush"? Any thoughts there (I'm not familiar with their work)?

Some more thoughts, could the title be some kind of reference to the film 'Lost in Translation'. Or maybe it's trying to say that the meaning is lost when you try to translate the tatto?

**Posted:** Sat May 06, 2006 5:48 pm