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A discourse with a budding PM.

I'm posting these, NOT as a mysterious message about a new ARG, but about me talking frankly to a budding PM. I'm putting this here, hoping that I won't have to say the same things over and over every time someone wants to launch to me.

First Discourse.

Code:
Muzeriter5:   hey
Muzeriter5:   you there?
thetruthwillsaveu:   HeLlO
Muzeriter5:   hi
Muzeriter5:   how's life?
thetruthwillsaveu:   KeEp SeArChInG
Muzeriter5:   for?
Muzeriter5:   why?
Muzeriter5:   i'm not sure why I should...
thetruthwillsaveu:   I dO nOt WiSh To SaY HeRe
Muzeriter5:   excuse all the questions, but why are you typing alternate case?
Muzeriter5:   if you can't say something here, I'll gladly set up a secure and encrypted connection so we can talk
thetruthwillsaveu:   ThErE's AnOtHeR wAy To CoNtAcT mE
Muzeriter5:   right, a SecureAIM connection
thetruthwillsaveu:   No
Muzeriter5:   there's a reason they made it, so people in trouble like you can safely talk to people like me
thetruthwillsaveu:   ThInK ItS EaSy
Muzeriter5:   absolutely
Muzeriter5:   you just click on Direct Connection, and it's secure
thetruthwillsaveu:   No ItS rIgHt In FrOnT oF yOu
Muzeriter5:   the website?
thetruthwillsaveu:   YeS
thetruthwillsaveu:   GoOdByE
Muzeriter5:   it's on a regular hyper text transfer protocol, hardly a secure way of transferring information...
Muzeriter5:   i don't think you're going to make it


Second discourse.

Code:
Muzeriter5:   hey
Muzeriter5:   you're back
thetruthwillsaveu:   Yes....everything is working now...
Muzeriter5:   Hey, I see you got your caps fixed.
thetruthwillsaveu:   ......
Muzeriter5:   ThE cApS
thetruthwillsaveu:   I do not understand this....
Muzeriter5:   Never mind.
Muzeriter5:   So whe are you?  What's up?
thetruthwillsaveu:   Who am I?
thetruthwillsaveu:   That doesnt matter
Muzeriter5:   That's what I wanna know. :-p
Muzeriter5:   I believe every man should fully know himself.
thetruthwillsaveu:   I am not just any man....
Muzeriter5:   If you don't know yourself, then you ARE in trouble.
thetruthwillsaveu:   Please
thetruthwillsaveu:   What I am, it doesnt matter...
Muzeriter5:   What?
Muzeriter5:   Are you a bot?
thetruthwillsaveu:   What matters is who you are
thetruthwillsaveu:   or rather
thetruthwillsaveu:   what....
Muzeriter5:   My name is Clinton Judy, I am a sentient being who makes his home on Planet Earth.  Who are you?
thetruthwillsaveu:   You can call me
thetruthwillsaveu:   John...
thetruthwillsaveu:   I don't understand completely what I am, or where I am from
Muzeriter5:   Understanding is not a prequisite for existance.
thetruthwillsaveu:   I disagree
Muzeriter5:   Oh? Does one cease to exist when he cannot acknowedge himself?
Muzeriter5:   Excuse me, a friend is asking if you are colorblind, by any chance...
thetruthwillsaveu:   I can not see...
thetruthwillsaveu:   not in the most literal sense anyway
thetruthwillsaveu:   Please, keep searching
thetruthwillsaveu:   its not safe here for me to tell you, but I can access another way
thetruthwillsaveu:   if you can find the other way
thetruthwillsaveu:   its simple
Muzeriter5:   How are you typing back to me?
Muzeriter5:   If you can't see?
thetruthwillsaveu:   That does not matter
Muzeriter5:   OK then.
Muzeriter5:   I don't understand what I'm searching for.
thetruthwillsaveu:   I showed you the way
thetruthwillsaveu:   http://www.geocities.com/thetruthwillsaveu/TRUTH.html
thetruthwillsaveu:   Its there
Muzeriter5:   I would assume you left a port open, but clearly all I see is the usual geocities firewall.
thetruthwillsaveu:   no...
thetruthwillsaveu:   Its really easy....
Muzeriter5:   Why would you leave a method of communication open on an unsecure free website?
thetruthwillsaveu:   Because, They will not look there
thetruthwillsaveu:   http://www.geocities.com/thetruthwillsaveu/TRUTH.html
Muzeriter5:   Haha, I completey disagree.
thetruthwillsaveu:   Please
thetruthwillsaveu:   trust me
Muzeriter5:   I don't see how I could possibly trust someone who's asking me to do something on an unencrypted channel.
Muzeriter5:   How do I know you're not the enemy?
thetruthwillsaveu:   I'm not
thetruthwillsaveu:   I assuer you
thetruthwillsaveu:   *assure
Muzeriter5:   I'm sorry, I need proof.
Muzeriter5:   I cannot afford to let THEM get to me.
thetruthwillsaveu:   They wont, they wont harm you
thetruthwillsaveu:   only me
thetruthwillsaveu:   They will soon find me
thetruthwillsaveu:   its just a question of when
thetruthwillsaveu:   thats why this must be done quickly
Muzeriter5:   Then I suggest you consider more reliable forms of communication with us.
Muzeriter5:   Because talking to us this way will only make them find you sooner.
Muzeriter5:   I promise you that.
thetruthwillsaveu:   OK
thetruthwillsaveu:   please
Muzeriter5:   Besides, how do you know I'm not the enemy?
thetruthwillsaveu:   JUST DO IT THERES NO TIME!
thetruthwillsaveu:   Because
thetruthwillsaveu:   I wouldnt be talking to you then


Third Discourse.

Code:
thetruthwillsaveu:   Hello agian....
Muzeriter5:   Hi.
Muzeriter5:   Did you receive my email?
thetruthwillsaveu:   sorry wait...
thetruthwillsaveu:   bye
thetruthwillsaveu:   Hello
Muzeriter5:   ?
thetruthwillsaveu:   Hi...
thetruthwillsaveu:   sorry about that
thetruthwillsaveu:   Something weird just happened to my pc...
thetruthwillsaveu:   I couldnt control it, a web page came up
thetruthwillsaveu:   and so were IMs....
thetruthwillsaveu:   Weird
thetruthwillsaveu:   so
thetruthwillsaveu:   Who are you?
Muzeriter5:   Me?
thetruthwillsaveu:   Yes
thetruthwillsaveu:   who are you?
Muzeriter5:   I thought we were past that already.
thetruthwillsaveu:   what do you mean?
Muzeriter5:   Muzeriter5:     My name is Clinton Judy, I am a sentient being who makes his home on Planet Earth.  Who are you?
thetruthwillsaveu:   ok...****DoNoTtRuStHiM****
Muzeriter5:   I'm not sure I understand why you're being so cryptic with me.
thetruthwillsaveu:   Im not
thetruthwillsaveu:   Im sorry
thetruthwillsaveu:   something weird is going on
Muzeriter5:   Just explain it.
thetruthwillsaveu:   explain what?
thetruthwillsaveu:   are you doing this?
Muzeriter5:   Am I doing what?
Muzeriter5:   I'm a hacker, not a cryptologist, which is apparently what you're looking for.
Muzeriter5:   I apologize I'm not more of a help, but I would be if you just told me what you needed.
thetruthwillsaveu:   I dont know anything
thetruthwillsaveu:   Im really
Muzeriter5:   Really... what?
thetruthwillsaveu:   confused
Muzeriter5:   As you should be.
Muzeriter5:   Here's my advice.
Muzeriter5:   Attend the weekly PM meetings on Sundays, in #pmchat
thetruthwillsaveu:   where?
Muzeriter5:   Imbri and a few others lead them.  You'd learn a lot from her, she has a lot to teach you.
thetruthwillsaveu:   Im confused
thetruthwillsaveu:   seriously
thetruthwillsaveu:   what is this?
Muzeriter5:   I know you are, jsut listen.
Muzeriter5:   Also, try to take on a project like this with a proper PM team, and PROPER planning!
Muzeriter5:   These games are FAR too complicated to take on by yourself.
Muzeriter5:   Understand?
Muzeriter5:   I like that people want to make games for others.
Muzeriter5:   But there are far too many games out there, made with minimal effort (and yes, even a geocities webpage and OOG chatroom announcement take very minimal effort), that are just letting a whole lot of us down.
Muzeriter5:   If you really want to create ARGs for people, make sure you learn from your mistakes, and you do it right.
Muzeriter5:   And hopefully you'll be the next one to blow us away. ;-)
Muzeriter5:   Anyway, I gotta head to bed, it's almost 3 EST here, and I have class at 10.
Muzeriter5:   BTW, listen to my radio show from 5-7 EST.  Learn more about what we do and love.
Muzeriter5:   Been nice talking to you.  Good night.
thetruthwillsaveu:   yeah
thetruthwillsaveu:   goodnight
thetruthwillsaveu:   Im exhausted
Muzeriter5:   I can imagine. ;-)
thetruthwillsaveu:   and confused
thetruthwillsaveu:   I dont think I can sleep though
Muzeriter5:   You'll sleep.  And dream.


And hopefully he will learn. He has drive, and he may have the talent. But who knows. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:09 am
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LOL.... Very Happy

Poor guy. Busted immediately Smile But I have to give the PM props for not breaking character over it.

I hope s/he takes the advice seriously though. But if I can offer you some criticing as well... please remember to mention that the PM Chat is on Chat Solutions.org servers, just in case the PMs aren't familiar with the server that gets the prefered use around here.

But yeah, using a freebie site like Geocities...

/me pokes the new PM
Excuse me, but if you are having finaicial constraints, you shoudl come and talk to us. We can help you find low cost services so you can get a domain cheap. And a few generaopus souls have enen offered to front registering domains and host the site for grassroots games. You should be able to get one to help you have a secure location. It helps a lot with the player's suspension of disbelief.

If you want someone to talk to about this without making an appearance you can PM me Mr. Truthwillsaveyou. I'd be willing to act as a go between for you if you want to protect your identity.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:24 pm
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I wasn't quite as nice. Razz

Quote:
thetruthwillsaveu: I am
thetruthwillsaveu: You can call me John...\
youareanidiot8888: John...Johnson?
youareanidiot8888: That's not a very cool name.
thetruthwillsaveu: no...
thetruthwillsaveu: Just John
thetruthwillsaveu: please
youareanidiot8888: Can I call you Chuckie?
thetruthwillsaveu: Chuckie?
thetruthwillsaveu: If you wish
youareanidiot8888: Cool.
youareanidiot8888: How about Chester?
youareanidiot8888: Can I call you Chester?
thetruthwillsaveu: If you wish
youareanidiot8888: How about ChiChi?
youareanidiot8888: Can I call you ChiChi?
thetruthwillsaveu: .....
thetruthwillsaveu: Goodbye
youareanidiot8888: Wait! ChiChi! Come back!


PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:14 pm
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aFirst of all... James? You put me on the floor. That was awesome.

However, y'all probably should have been a bit more.. polite. Remember what Imbri was talking about, about us seeming harsh and scaring peopel away?

However, after reading CE's message I sat down and began to think of just how rdiculous that whole not-secure AIM, but secure-website thing... was.

I spent work thinking of better ways to launch a game.. even using AIM. Hell, aknowledge the Direct COnnection. Use it. It may mean you need to talk more in an trailhead, reveal more of what is PERCEIVED as the plot, but that doesnt mean you can't pull a twist later. Seriously.. the costant "They are after me" but never sayign who "they" is.. is just silly. No one talks like that, especially when tryign to get help. You want help, you give information for that help.


However, as MageSteff said, kudos to the PM for not breaking character. It must have been very hard not too.
I guess, I'm starting to see these super-mysterious IM trailheads as... kind of a cop out. You can still have mystery and still have an approachable character who can be talked to. Look at Tucker in BenStove.
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Haha.. thats a good one! Thats a keeper! Very Happy
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/me sees a Smirkbox entry on the horizon over stereotypical IM trailheads
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Dionysus wrote:
However, y'all probably should have been a bit more.. polite. Remember what Imbri was talking about, about us seeming harsh and scaring peopel away?
I thought I was quite polite when a new individual came in asking about what games are going on now. I told them about PXC, WIBS, EDOC, Regenesis, the Hyper one, and CTW. I gave them quick one line summaries, links to the games (as I could remember them), how far along I believe each of them were. I even answered some basic questions about which were free and which were paid. As the person said they had only really followed ILB and wanted to know more about them, I tried to give them some basic information about where ARGs were right now, and told him if he wanted specific information about any of the games that he should visit the game chatrooms as the players there usually are a little more knowledgable.

As to what my feelings were a couple of hours later when the person comes back into the chat room right after some mysterious individual, with the exact same whois information, popped in and pimped out his trailhead link - I leave for you to figure out on your own.
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Dionysus wrote:
However, y'all probably should have been a bit more.. polite. Remember what Imbri was talking about, about us seeming harsh and scaring peopel away?


It's one thing to be polite and welcomingwith new *players* in chat and on the forums.

However, this is a bit different. This is a *character* invading your space via instant message. You can react to that character however you wish. Furthermore, it was done in a way that is old, tired, and, frankly, annoying. Games launched via instant messenger have a certain reputation for not being thought out, being run by kids without the time to see them through the long haul, and failing just days later. If you're creating a game and consider AIM as a launching point, you have to keep that in mind and understand that people won't be receptive to them.

Frankly, I think that CE was incredibly polite - he played it out a bit, he tried to ascertain if the PM had put more thought into it, and when he determined that, in his opinion, they hadn't, he offered a bit of advice. Frankly, CE went above and beyond Smile JamesBlond, now that was just funny. PMs that put characters out there for direct interaction have to be prepared for whatever way that interaction will go. Sometimes it will be *perfect* and the players will hit every point that they're supposed to and sometimes you'll come across a player that's a bit more, um, difficult. That's the nature of improv and talented improv folk know how to guide their audience in a, seemingly, natural way.

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SirQuady wrote:
* SirQuady sees a Smirkbox entry on the horizon over stereotypical IM trailheads


Been there , done that.

/me wastes his 1300th post on blatent self-promotion.
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I just hope he shows up for the PM chats. Like I said earlier, I LOVE that people wants to create games for the community, but I HATE that they think they can do it without putting any time and/or effort into it. In any case, the PM contacted me again, IN character, trying to give me a clue to a puzzle I didn't know existed to a game I wasn't playing.

Code:
thetruthwillsaveu:   Hey agian
Muzeriter5:   hello
Muzeriter5:   what's up?
thetruthwillsaveu:   Nothing much
thetruthwillsaveu:   I got an email from J0hn D0e
thetruthwillsaveu:   He said to give you a clue
thetruthwillsaveu:   "Space"
thetruthwillsaveu:   and he apologized for dragging me into this...
thetruthwillsaveu:   do you know whats going on here?
thetruthwillsaveu:   hello?
Muzeriter5:   i'm here
Muzeriter5:   i'm completely lost
Muzeriter5:   what?
thetruthwillsaveu:   ok
Muzeriter5:   clue for what?
thetruthwillsaveu:   You and me bothe
thetruthwillsaveu:   *both
Muzeriter5:   uh huh
thetruthwillsaveu:   I don't know...
Muzeriter5:   which I still don't know who you are
thetruthwillsaveu:   we spoke before
thetruthwillsaveu:   remember?
Muzeriter5:   yeah
Muzeriter5:   but we didn't accomplish anything
thetruthwillsaveu:   Well
thetruthwillsaveu:   I don't know what you want...
Muzeriter5:   and now I'm getting clues, apparently to puzzles I didn't know existed
Muzeriter5:   for what purpose, I have no idea
Muzeriter5:   what's my motivation here?
thetruthwillsaveu:   To solve it?
Muzeriter5:   why are you sending me, "the player", strange hints about stuff I don't understand?
thetruthwillsaveu:   "the player"?
thetruthwillsaveu:   What do you mean?
thetruthwillsaveu:   This is just a game?
Muzeriter5:   you tell me
thetruthwillsaveu:   If its a game
thetruthwillsaveu:   well it would surprise me
thetruthwillsaveu:   Well
thetruthwillsaveu:   I'm going
thetruthwillsaveu:   good luck with this, and I'll let you know if he gives me more clues
thetruthwillsaveu:   Take care
Muzeriter5:   ?
Muzeriter5:   what the hell are you talking about?


I was polite before, but now I'm Censored. Time to bring out the vulva puppets. Twisted Evil
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Frankly, anyone who contacts James Blond for any reason without being properly prepared is asking for it. ;D

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Yeah, James_Blond is like the @$$ stomping goat of Unfiction!
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SirQuady, if we're assigning roles, I am totally giving you the Thread Padding Wonder.

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krystyn wrote:
SirQuady, if we're assigning roles, I am totally giving you the Thread Padding Wonder.

Jetpack


Yeah but he will have to get in line behind you me and Phaedra. Flaming Nutter
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I don't tend to go to threads just to post in them, despite my dubious status.
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