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[UPDATE] Sentinel 25th April 2006
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EvilGenius
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I have it directly from Adrian Hon, executive producer and director of play (who was kind enough to respond to my latest diatribe to MC about the state of play here outside the UK), that if a store outside of the UK doesn't have the new cards it's because they haven't asked for them for whatever reason. I'm told this has nothing to do with stock the or the willingness of MC to provide the cards. I can only assume from this that our retailers are dissembling bastards who are lying to us here in the provinces. Oh, and Adrian suggested that the experience of players in the UK and Australia is evidence that countries other than than those in the UK are not being ignored so you struggling in Austalia must be in the same boat as me.
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EvilGenius wrote:
I have it directly from Adrian Hon, executive producer and director of play (who was kind enough to respond to my latest diatribe to MC about the state of play here outside the UK), that if a store outside of the UK doesn't have the new cards it's because they haven't asked for them for whatever reason. I'm told this has nothing to do with stock the or the willingness of MC to provide the cards. I can only assume from this that our retailers are dissembling bastards who are lying to us here in the provinces.


Well thats interesting because the retailer I rang called me back after contacting his distributor and said that his distributer had specifically said they would only be getting Wave 2 cards. Either MC need to follow up with the distributors/retailers or they are indeed dissembling bastards (although he did seem quite a nice chap).

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Oh, and Adrian suggested that the experience of players in the UK and Australia is evidence that countries other than than those in the UK are not being ignored so you struggling in Austalia must be in the same boat as me.


I don't quite understand what he is saying here. Is he saying because some Canadians/Aussies are getting into the mix of things they aren't being ignored? If that is what he is saying, the only reason that is true is because they are going out of their way to get involved in the game (a big bow to Chimera245 - again!). It would be heaps better if MC did a bit of advertising out in the provinces (so to speak!). I bet if they started to get many more players into the game, and the retailers started selling more cards, they would make sure they were as up to date as possible.

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I will let you make up your own mind about Adrian Hon has to say on this subject. I wrote this to him:

"Well, now that only four cards of the new wave remain to be solved, do you folks think that maybe now we can get some of the wave three cards in my local store? It took forever to finally get the wave two cards and here we are a month behind with this wave. Honestly, why am I spending money supporting this enterprise when we are treated with such contempt? Bad enough the card package composition screws devoted players but at least there ought to be cards in the stores should I choose to waste my money on them (and I would). I'm leading my country yet falling behind everyday for lack of anything to do. . . Surely you understand that people outside of the UK are playing so where are the cards? Why must we wait until it's no fun anymore (it would be nice to at least have a chance to solve a card first)?"

To which Adrian Hon replied:

"I'm sorry that your local stores aren't carrying wave 3 cards. However, that's their decision, not ours. It is not a question of us not having enough stock, or not wanting to send cards to Canada - it's a question of Canadian stores actually requesting wave 3 stock. I imagine that if you asked your local stores to look into sourcing wave 3 stock and they were convinced that they had sufficient demand, they would get the cards.

In general, we unfortunately do not have the resources available to JK Rowling and cannot push the cards into retail as quickly as we would like to. We are making progress and I imagine that in the future it will become easier to get new PXC cards quicker.

Again - we are not withholding wave 3 cards from Canada on purpose. We are not treating Canadian stores with contempt. We are not ignoring countries outside of the UK; witness the US and Australia as examples. We obviously would like as many people as possible to play Perplex City, and we would like to sell as many cards as possible. However, Perplex City is not Harry Potter quite yet, and so we have to work harder to make retailers aware of Perplex City and stock it, and we also have to work to create demand.

And if you think you have things bad in Canada, imagine how much longer it takes for US or Canadian products to reach the UK... Wink "

Adrian has been very communicative on the matter and I appreciate his effort to answer my concerns. I think that the distributors have some 'splaining to do.
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Hmmm, maybe I should start selling these cards properly in Australia. Looks like there is pretty much no competition.

Just out of interest have any Aussies managed to buy Wave 3 in a store in Australia?

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Just to prove me wrong of course, my cards finally arrived in the mail yesterday. In fact, though I made comments about the delays in Australia Post, I totally understand the card distribution issues.

On the retail front the problem here (and probably in Canada with similar demographic issues) is lack of concentrated interest. As a case in point, I popped in to Al's Card Shop (one of the two vendors listed here in WA) to see what the news was from the distributor - and how PXC was going down among the specialist trading card market. I was rather sadly informed that as I was the only one who had bought cards from him in the last 4 months he would not be getting any more even if there were any available. I can't really argue with him - if I were in business I would do the same. I have spoken to the other vendor on the phone with a similar outcome.

The population levels, and more importantly overlying cultural tendencies, act against this sort of game ever getting that critical level of interest that is enough to support even a specialist card vendor stocking product. WA is a state the size of several western european countries put together, with the population of Bromley. You are never going to get the sort of head of steam here that you would in London, Manchester or Birmingham. Without that head of steam - why would you as a retailer buy the stock.

None of this of course is Mind Candy's issue, and none of it is affecting my enjoyment of the game. I can take part with everyone else in the solving of cards from the images thoughtfully posted on these forums - and store up my answers for when they finally arrive. I can contribute online according to my skillset, whenever I like. If there is every an online PCAG type event, I would take part in a flash (timezones willing), including if necessary organising an antipodean team to challenge all you northerners for the bonus points.

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I totally agree with you but that isn't my local problem. My local dealer wants to sell the PXC cards, he is desperate about getting his hands on them for us, and he's been trying for an age to stay on top of PXC. He is just told that the cards aren't available. Demographically we aren't much better off than you Aussies but, in our case, that doesn't matter to us, though it may to the distributor . . .
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chimera245 wrote:
The population levels, and more importantly overlying cultural tendencies, act against this sort of game ever getting that critical level of interest that is enough to support even a specialist card vendor stocking product. WA is a state the size of several western european countries put together, with the population of Bromley. You are never going to get the sort of head of steam here that you would in London, Manchester or Birmingham. Without that head of steam - why would you as a retailer buy the stock.


Unfortunately chimera245 (whats with the 245 BTW?) the sparse population of WA does work against it, but the same cannot be said for the eastern coast of Australia. Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane have populations of roughly 4, 3 and 1 million people respectively and if you take away the barriers of card availability and advertising I can't see how it wouldn't take off more here.

If MC did a spread in The Australian and some of the local captial newspapers i think you would get a jump of perhaps a 1000 or more players. It perplexes me (sorry) that MC don't do more Guardian style spreads in foriegn papers.

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ambskunk wrote:
[(whats with the 245 BTW?)


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ambskunk wrote:
chimera245 wrote:
The population levels, and more importantly overlying cultural tendencies, act against this sort of game ever getting that critical level of interest that is enough to support even a specialist card vendor stocking product. WA is a state the size of several western european countries put together, with the population of Bromley. You are never going to get the sort of head of steam here that you would in London, Manchester or Birmingham. Without that head of steam - why would you as a retailer buy the stock.


Unfortunately chimera245 (whats with the 245 BTW?) the sparse population of WA does work against it, but the same cannot be said for the eastern coast of Australia. Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane have populations of roughly 4, 3 and 1 million people respectively and if you take away the barriers of card availability and advertising I can't see how it wouldn't take off more here.

If MC did a spread in The Australian and some of the local captial newspapers i think you would get a jump of perhaps a 1000 or more players. It perplexes me (sorry) that MC don't do more Guardian style spreads in foriegn papers.



I've got to agree there - the fact that store assistants here don't have any clue of the game's existence, much less what it is, isn't exactly reassuring; on the other hand, I've explained it to friends and given them my solved cards to look at and the rest of the evening was spent going through them and discussing. Even some posters put up in universities would easily gain a thousand new players, I think.

I'm tempted to email MC and tell them that if they send me some posters and stuff, I'll get them put up, just so there's more chance of us getting cards/events/anything within a reasonable time. ._.

Also, I really, really hope that the Cube isn't a physical, hidden object; that would be beyond unfair, given they want this to be a globally-played game.

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ambskunk wrote:
[but the same cannot be said for the eastern coast of Australia. Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane


I do agree with you there - I was only speaking for WA (not for Australia as a whole).

Just as an aside, in my previous discussions with the vendors here, they were both being supplied by a single distributor (who supplies most of the trading card vendors) rathern than directly from the UK. It was this distributor who was giving silly dates for the Waves (like May for Wave 2). Do you know if the eastern states retailers are similarly linked to central distributors?

Also, I might email MC about the whole EB thing - I have been into three in WA now and they have not even HEARD of PXC. I know some of them fairly well (you get to know them if you order enough obscure games) so I don't think I am being BSed.

As for the Australian spread - that may well be a good idea for a Sunday IF MC were aiming for a big release here. I don't know however if we would be that high on their potential market lists - they need to be fairly wise with their venture capital and aim for where there is most bang for their buck.

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ambskunk wrote:
If MC did a spread in The Australian and some of the local captial newspapers i think you would get a jump of perhaps a 1000 or more players. It perplexes me (sorry) that MC don't do more Guardian style spreads in foriegn papers.


Here's a surprising (to me) revelation, again from Adrian Hon: "We don't pay for any advertising of cards *anywhere*, basically. Those newspaper ads in the UK and in the US were given to us by the media for free."

Seems to me that MC is trying hard but has to put up with distributors who may not be entirely on side.

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Also, I really, really hope that the Cube isn't a physical, hidden object; that would be beyond unfair, given they want this to be a globally-played game.


You can bet your ass that it is a real thing hidden somewhere, London, I'm sure.
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EvilGenius wrote:
Here's a surprising (to me) revelation, again from Adrian Hon: "We don't pay for any advertising of cards *anywhere*, basically. Those newspaper ads in the UK and in the US were given to us by the media for free."


Yeah I find that pretty amazing too. Its almost as if they are trying not to get more players!

I have to agree that the cube is definitely physically located on earth (wrong quote BTW EvilGenius), I think you have to return it to MC to claim the cash don't you? Hopefully it is somewhere in Africa to even it out for all players. Sounds like a good excuse to visit!

I decided to a bit of research at lunch and went to my local EB store. They knew what the game was, although that was about it. The cards were stored in a locked cabinet behind the desk, behind other items. I asked if they had sold many and he said 'a few'.

I bought a pack for a mate who is newly hooked and needs cards and for old times sake bought myself a pack too. Whoot! Got Syzygy Cube in my pack which will be great for a trade Very Happy

Oh yeah, I also have a mate in England who bought some boxes from the distributor and enquired about Australia for me. It was a few months ago so I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure it was one distributor for the whole country.

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EvilGenius wrote:
"Those newspaper ads in the UK and in the US were given to us by the media for free."


Was there a newspaper ad in the US? Or do they mean the CGW mag? (I joined late and search is not my friend - too many irrelevant results.)

And I know the debate about whether the cube will be physically buried somewhere has been talked up to death, but since it was just mentioned... this is an ARG. They have to have SOME reality, don't they? "Find our missing artifact hidden somewhere on the web!" <--- that's a game. "Find our real life buried treasure!" <--- that's an ARG.

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ambskunk wrote:
(wrong quote BTW EvilGenius)

Thanks - corrected

achenar wrote:
I'm tempted to email MC and tell them that if they send me some posters and stuff, I'll get them put up, just so there's more chance of us getting cards/events/anything within a reasonable time. . .

I have done exactly that myself and await a response from MC. I wonder if it hasn't occured to them that devoted players everywhere would be happy to do some low-level marketing for them for free. The American's are starting, why not the rest of us? I agree that some posters, stickers, and free cards in the right places could easily bring many into the game. Everyone I show my cards too is fascinated as well.
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UKver2.0 wrote:
... this is an ARG. They have to have SOME reality, don't they? "Find our missing artifact hidden somewhere on the web!" <--- that's a game. "Find our real life buried treasure!" <--- that's an ARG.


While I do agree that the visceral element of 'it is buried somewhere' is half the fun, they could allow it so that if someone from overseas posted to them:

"I have established that it is in the third locker from the left in the transexual toilets on platform 14 of Clapham Junction in the biohazard container marked junkies only"

- assuming that is the location of course - then that person could claim the prize. Otherwise, in the Real Reality in which all of us live the prize is essentially limited to those who can physically get there. I'd have a hard time selling the 'You can win AU$250,000' to potential players if it has the small print ('if you have a passport, and can, at short notice, stump up the time and AU$2000 to arrange to fly 20+ hours to the UK to retrieve it').

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