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[UPDATE] Sentinel 25th April 2006
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duckiemonster
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ambskunk wrote:
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Here's a surprising (to me) revelation, again from Adrian Hon: "We don't pay for any advertising of cards *anywhere*, basically. Those newspaper ads in the UK and in the US were given to us by the media for free."


Yeah I find that pretty amazing too. Its almost as if they are trying not to get more players!


I'm thinking this is one of those 'ARG' things. The game, which is not a game, should be self-perpetuating.

It's nice to drag people down rabbit holes. Why not join the Street Team for some ideas on how to werk that free advertising some more?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:47 am
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duckiemonster wrote:
Why not join the Street Team for some ideas on how to werk that free advertising some more?


My impression was that the street team is an American thing, that's how it is presented. I got mail from Adrian Hon this morning saying that it's not strictly an American project but is experimenting with North America. I intend to contact them . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:38 am
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Anyone can join and help out. It's eally a worldwide thing, though we're trying to make the biggest coordinated push in the US, as it is the biggest market and is prime for the takeover. Smile


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Does NOBODY read the Views? Wink
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We are hoping that we can gain more interest in this project, dubbed the PCX Street Team. Anyone around the world is welcome to join this group of dedicated players interested in furthering the spread of Perplex City around the United States and around the world. Anyone who has an interest in joining or just wants to learn more about us can contact us at http://s11.invisionfree.com/pxcstreetteam/index.php. Hopefully, together, we can cause awareness of Perplex City's plight to snowball across the world.


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duckiemonster wrote:
ambskunk wrote:
EvilGenius wrote:
Here's a surprising (to me) revelation, again from Adrian Hon: "We don't pay for any advertising of cards *anywhere*, basically. Those newspaper ads in the UK and in the US were given to us by the media for free."


Yeah I find that pretty amazing too. Its almost as if they are trying not to get more players!


I'm thinking this is one of those 'ARG' things. The game, which is not a game, should be self-perpetuating.

It's nice to drag people down rabbit holes. Why not join the Street Team for some ideas on how to werk that free advertising some more?


Surely this could just mean that they are advertising the game (as in the whole perplex city thing) and not the cards.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:18 pm
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... this is an ARG. They have to have SOME reality, don't they? "Find our missing artifact hidden somewhere on the web!" <--- that's a game. "Find our real life buried treasure!" <--- that's an ARG.


While I do agree that the visceral element of 'it is buried somewhere' is half the fun, they could allow it so that if someone from overseas posted to them:

"I have established that it is in the third locker from the left in the transexual toilets on platform 14 of Clapham Junction in the biohazard container marked junkies only"

- assuming that is the location of course - then that person could claim the prize. Otherwise, in the Real Reality in which all of us live the prize is essentially limited to those who can physically get there. I'd have a hard time selling the 'You can win AU$250,000' to potential players if it has the small print ('if you have a passport, and can, at short notice, stump up the time and AU$2000 to arrange to fly 20+ hours to the UK to retrieve it').



Exactly. I'm hardly likely to win in the first place, but if I have to obtain flights around a particular time to do so on the rare chance that I have a clue, I might as well stop trying to win prizes now, y'know? Because there's no chance that's going to happen on a uni budget. I technically have the money, but it's going into a term deposit so I can pay off my uni debt at the end of my course, not into the tiny chance that, should I work out where the Cube is, I'll beat everyone else there.


But as for advertising... if you hear back from MC, Evil, you've got to tell us so we can harass them similarly. Wink Seriously - I think the university market would have a pretty huge interest there, and it's also got one of the greatest collections of knowledge and skills.

May look into the Street Team as well, though. Hm. I, too, had the impression they were a US-only thing; I stand corrected. Smile

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Here's what Adrian Hon emailed me this morning, on the subject of street teams:

Adrian Hon wrote:
For now you should get in touch with Laura's street team: http://s11.invisionfree.com/pxcstreetteam/index.php

Strictly speaking they are not an 'American' operation; they are supposed to be handling distribution of cards to street teams and individuals in North America. If you check out the forums I'm sure they'll send you some cards. At the moment this is just a test to see how well it works.



I emailed and posted on the new forum so we shall see.

Fiera wrote:
Does NOBODY read the Views?

No. Well, maybe the first paragraph. The Letters Column is where the action is . . . Smile

fiera wrote:
Many Cube Hunters from the United States have suspected that the apparent dearth of interest does not stem from any lack of compassion, but rather from lack of awareness . . . Americans want games that open their minds and hearts . . . Starting in the next several weeks, a group of dedicated Cube Hunters across the country will begin to spread word about Perplex City to American citizens.

How could anyone get the idea that the street team is a US operation? Why would I read this View to the end when the entire body of text tells me that the street team doesn't include me? Nobody ever reads the last paragraph of a news story anyway - it's a fact (that I made up).
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...right.

EvilGenius wrote:
My impression was that the street team is an American thing, that's how it is presented.


Not true. It says in the main FAQ on the forums, in the VFE and in every single advertising post we've ever made about the Street Team that it is open to *all*. The least you could have done would be to come along and have a quick nosy round to see that in fact we already *have* members in Canada as well as other places and that in fact it's clearly a group designed simply to spread the game and that of course you would be welcome to help.

Secondly, if you wer so concerned, rather than whining repeatedly to Mind Candy and Unforums...why not simply ask in a nice willing and productive way 'Hi, I'm in Canada, what can I do to help?' As opposed to bothering everyone and slating them for not being utterly explicit in every piece of information we gave out.

Anyway, hopefully by now we've managed to assure you that *yes* you can join in. *No* we're not being elitist dicks and putting the States over every other country in the world. *Yes* we want your help and are still glad you're willing to offer it. But in return next time you have a perfectly valid concern can you try and get the information in a far more pleasent way and without trying to jump over people's heads to get a more official word on things. Heck, one simple post there with an easy question would have gotten you an easy answer. Probably far more quickly and pleasently than all the arsing around you felt you had to do in order to get to this point.

Finally: please read things all the way through, otherwise you might end up making stupid mistakes.
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Wow. Just wow.

I was on-board with the street teams concept. I am happy to help publicize this great game and to support Adrian ( and Dan, Wishi, Fi, Adam, Andrea and Michael). But, I think that I will take a pass for now. Maybe later.
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rose wrote:
Wow. Just wow.

I was on-board with the street teams concept. I am happy to help publicize this great game and to support Adrian ( and Dan, Wishi, Fi, Adam, Andrea and Michael). But, I think that I will take a pass for now. Maybe later.


I think that all of this has really been coming out of misunderstanding. The point of the street team is to join together, regardless of location, to promote something that we all love.

All are welcome, regardless of country. We're specifically trying to organize the North American players, and it's been US-focused so far mostly because there are proportionately more US players. However, it's not meant to exclude anyone.

I sincerely hope that this isn't a turnoff to participating. (I have to say, some of this may seem out of context, as it's a topic spanning two boards as well as developing via e-mails). As a team, we're still finding our feet, and this is all part of that process.

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That's an interesting rant, Brat-Sampson. Curious that the question, "What can I do to help" is verbatim what I did ask Adrian, not that what I might discuss with him is any of your business. Turns out he is interested in hearing about the experience of player overseas.

There's nothing untrue about my impression of the street team being a US affair - it's just an impression that was wrong. It is thanks to some research and the more civil direction of others that this impression has been corrected. I hardly went over anyone's head - I have been in regular correspondence with Adrian since before this ever came up and the street team is one thing that he happened to explain to me. Neither did anyone that I can recall suggest that you were being "elitist dicks" or "putting the States over every other country in the world." Those inflammatory statements are purely from your own imagination.

It's also fascinating that, despite the ongoing and civil nature of this thread (until your contribution, that is), that you feel entitled to speak on behalf of "everyone" (who I'm "bothering"). And I don't recall saying *anything* against the street team, only that (from reading the View article) I thought this was American. The very next sentence I said I had learned differently and was going to make contact, which I did. Why that should get you so riled escapes me entirely.

Perhaps you should read what has been posted again. I've already posted a number of sentences that are more than a litttle misleading and there is more of the same on the street team forum. I'm not the only one who thought that this was a US-only initiative (check out the post on the street team forum that says the new contest is open to "U. S. people only" - shall I post the quote verbatim for you?). How inclusive is that? Or shall I remind you that the first post on that forum, in the Welcome topic, is from ihall who says, "Welcome to the online home of the Perplex City U.S. street team." Note the name - U.S Street Team. You can't see why people might find this misleading? Your own first post in the Welcome is about mapping where players are: ". . . nice to be able to see where people were and how good a spread we have over these 50 United States." Guess what? Canada, and Mexico, and virtually everywhere else in the world are not part of the "50 United States." The FAQ says, "Our goal is to promote Perplex City on this side of the Atlantic." In context with the other comments this hardly communicates that the whole world is welcome. ihall, in the announcement "Hey! Read Me!! Seriously!!!" said, "If you U.S. people need materials to distribute, e-mail me the following info" Do you see what I see? ihall again, "I'm eager to get started on spreading the word of PXC over the entire United States." If you think after reading all this, and more, that thinking the street team is an American project is a "stupid mistake" then you need to give your head a shake and take some responsibility for not disseminating your information effectively.

It's a good thing Laura Hall is more circumspect in her behavior. She seems to understand plainly that there has been some miscommunication, as does ihall. This thread has been ongoing for several days and many of us from outside the UK and US have been benefitting from the discussion, including clearing up this misunderstanding. How your foaming at the mouth is supposed to useful to anyone is a mystery to me.

It seems your attitude has already dissuaded one player. Do try not to make a mess of this initiative with your intemperate bluster and personal attacks.

ihall - don't worry. It will take more that Brat-Sampson setting his hair on fire to dampen enthusiam for this project, particularly when you and Laura seem sensible Wink I have asked for cards already and will be trying to get my countrymen to participate as well.

After a meeting of the minds with Laura and Brat-Sampson via email, I say enough said. I shall look forward to participating in promoting the same in concert with the street team for the good of all.
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Confused Not entirely sure how this started, but I think it may've been my fault...

America is a nice place to hit cause there's lots of man power available, and the lovely Laura came up with the plan in the first place Smile Us UK bods are already hitting the ground running in terms of spare cards and previous drop experience, so we're helping out.

But WHEREVER you're from, come to the street team site and share ideas, flyers that you've made (there's some beautiful ones at the moment that look like playing cards, superb artwork) interesting card drop tactics and a love of ninjas and pirates.

I promise to love all of you equally, whether from Canadia or China.
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To quote Rose:- Wow. Just Wow.

Laura has driven this initiative for months, and finally now it's coming to fruition. Honestly, just get over yourselves - everyone is looking to get the same thing out of this - help the promotion of the game. It doesn't matter whether you live in America, Canada, the UK or Timbucktoo, it's not a competition.

If you're getting into this for the purpose of anything apart from enjoying yourself and promoting a game which you love, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

J

P.S. On a related note - yay Laura! Thank you for personally putting in the large amounts of time which I know it took to get this arranged. You know the rest... Wink
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duckiemonster wrote:
I promise to love all of you equally, whether from Canadia or China.


What about the French?


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Nothing will EVER excuse the French . . .

Once more into the breach . . .

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