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[Muffin]

Or it was stolen so that it could be synthesised by another black market outfit then sold on in larger quantities - clean room?

[Rand0m]

[toongoon]

[Mikeyj]

[number9dream]

[CoolCats712]

[justdig]

Well if this stuff does start getting traded and manufactured in the black market, that'd surely give Cognivia all the more incentive to do our leg-work for us in tracking down whoever first stole it.

[duckiemonster]

[Ramazel]

There's one thing I don't get about this spec (HG swapping the pills to get the G6). This was supposed to be a double-blind trial, i.e. neither the subjects nor the doctors knew who was getting G6, G5 or the placebo. So HG only had a chance in 3 of getting G6...

[Fiera]

[number9dream]

[Belogroak]

I have done some trials previously at university, and in my experience they will quite often use a test group more than once.

This looks like much as I would expect for a preliminary test group its small and short. I would expect later trials to be wider and longer probably over a 2-3 week period.

The point about HG only being able to swipe one sample in the first test is true, This means that HG had a one in three chance of getting the G6 and being a test anomaly. It is worth noting this would either rule HG out of further testing, or be the focus of atttention in further testing.

The way to ensure a greater possibility of swiping C6 would be to have 2 people involved in the testing, both swiping and replacing with C5, this would not be noticed in the C5 group but would in either the placebo or G6 group.

Now we have 2 people we are suspicious of in the relevant age group, one of whom was the last to see Cymbalisty alive, the other has recently disappeared on a "holiday".

Could it be Jason was HG (excluded from future trials) and Miranda was the other tester who has recently gone back in for further trials (and further supplies)?

Both had opportunity to slip Ceretin 6 to Cymbalisty at work, which on its own would not have killed him, however as soon as he took his usual C5 cocktail at home, it then caused the overdose. I mean how often do you ask a colleague for headache tablets if you run out?

To me Jason is the logical suspect as he knew about the diary (I still think that last page is a fake) and he walked cymbalisty home that night.

Bel

[Tintintin]

Forgive a n00b their first post...

Some further spec- it could have been the person administering the C6, not the subject, that swapped it for C5- although it being a double blind test means that neither would in theory be aware of which variety the Ceretin being tested was. Perhaps an accidental misplacing of the C6...? Or is there someone being naughty at Cognivia?

("is this a trout I see before me, the tail outstretched towards my hand...?" )

[duckiemonster]

No trouts at all, an insightful and contributary first post. Welcome.

I'd completely missed the 'double blind' thing in the text... just goes to show how much you forget about reading papers in a year!

/me trouts self

[Ashin]

Has it been clarified anywhere how Ceretin is normally taken?

It seems odd to me that it would be consumed in liquid form, simply because it's hard to make measurements, it's messy, and you have to carry around a large package (you almost never see individual liquid doses).

But if it comes in pill form, then Cymablisty's coffee cup takes on a different meaning because he might not have even known he was taking anything.

As for this test, it would be easy for someone to swipe the C6 by simply not swallowing the pill. Everything looks right from the examiner's point of view, but then they walk out with the goods still in their mouth.