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[PUZZLE]Poison and Parasites SOLVED
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Blue K
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Some pretty solid logic there, but it doesn't address the words poison nor parasites. Possible Red Herring?


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I've also been tearing my hair out trying to find out why 6, 1, and 6 would work.


Staying on the "Keep it simple, maybe it's that obvious" tract:

Poison: 6 (letters) x 1 (value unknown; word, letter P, letter N?) = 6 (?)
Parasites: 9 (letters) x 1 (guessing consistent w/above) = 9 (?)

Too simplistic? Maybe...maybe not. First puzzle and all, maybe it's meant to be an easy gateway into the case.

ps...Red Herring cipher...who knew? Very Happy

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macwebby
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 		my numbers
i put 9 & 9 for my part in the brute force/elimination schema

what i find interesting is that my guess from yesterday is now 0/3 0/3 although someone has posted it here as being 1/3 0/3 earlier

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ALISDAIRPARK
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 		You're right MacWebby - and I'm positive it was that earlier.

We need to query this as it now means the 6 is incorrect and it's the 2 that's right???? ... but this then means the correct answer was for the parasites, but the results are given the wrong way round...

however based on Batch 1 it has to be the right way round, so who knows what's up...
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carlwebb
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 		What I just sent to Kevin:

"Last night when the Batch 2 results were posted, macwebby's guess of 6 & 8 to the batch processor showed up as producing "1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct". Now the report says "0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct". dreddy1999's guess of 6 & 2 still says "1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct". If these are both true, then it looks like 6 for the first question is both correct and not correct, depending on the answer to the other question.

Is this a real correction? If so, it will have a huge impact on our solving efforts."

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macwebby
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 		hmmmm
or does it mean that since my guess for today was 9 & 9 that i'm wrong for today's batch and my numbers have been reset across the board.

If so that points to a potential programmatic logic error that could be exploited to "guess" more accurately at the correct answers.

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carlwebb
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 		Clever idea, macwebby! It'll be very interesting to see what Kevin has to say about last night's batch report.

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Svengoolie
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 		I entered my guesses as 5 and 5...

I really don't think we're going to get this anytime soon.

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carlwebb
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 		I heard back from Kevin -- last night's report was the correct one, and the page shows things that way again now. Your 1/3 has been restored, macwebby.

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ALISDAIRPARK
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 		I wonder why it changed...thinking it's a clue...probably being too suspicious...
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Silverkun
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 		For the sake of the "Hunt for the Datapoint",

0/0
1/1
1/67
2/2
3/3
4/4
5/5
6/6
7/7
8/3
8/5
9/9

All these have been submitted, per posts here in the UF forum and in the WA forum. Somebody call out, if I've missed some?

I'm going to submit 8/8 to finish off the set.
I guess we need to resort to more intelligent guesses...Smile

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KGB
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 		Hmm.. You have to be a wakeful agent to see all this stuff, don't you?

Damn. I'm gonna sign in probably only on December, when I have vacations (Hoping, of couse, SC would still exist).

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Silverkun
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KGB wrote:
Hmm.. You have to be a wakeful agent to see all this stuff, don't you?

Damn. I'm gonna sign in probably only on December, when I have vacations (Hoping, of couse, SC would still exist).


You can see all this stuff *now*, reportedly.
However, WA's get access first.

If this warm-up is any indication, you're not going to lose *too* much waiting the extra 24-48 hours for those who paid up to keep you in the loop; you just won't get direct/immediate access.

There's also the issue with getting access to interfaces; only WAs can submit answers.

Soooo... Yeah. Mixed bag...Smile

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Randall Jhen
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 		Protagonists and antagonists?
Longish.

A thought regarding poison:

Batch 0 was talking about "many haggard men"; its poison count was 6.

Batch 1 was talking about Jurgis, who is one person; its poison count was 1.

Batch 2 was talking about one person, but that one person was surrounded by "hundreds of others"; its poison count was 6.

Do we think the poison count caps at six, but is somehow tied to the number of people being referred to?

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A thought regarding parasites:

If poison caps at 6, that means there are either six or seven numbers (starting at either 1 or 0); if parasites start at 7, it could have the same number of possibilities, ending therefore at 13 or 14.

There is an antagonist in each of our batch files. In Batch 0, that antagonist is "men." Men is plural, or greater than 1, and 1 isn't it; since we don't know a specific number to add to 7, I'd wager the answer is either 13 or 14.

In Batch 1, there are a few. "Only a few pennies," "not found a job," "bound hand and foot," and the "phantom of starvation." Four has already been selected, but what if the parasites numbers start at seven, where the poison numbers (maybe) leave off? That makes the number either 11 (if 7 = 1) or 10 (if 7 = 0). The latter, 10, was tried and didn't work, but 11 is still a possibility.

In Batch 2, our antagonists are the the man's lack of work, the "merciless hand of authority" and "prison." Parasites ?= 7+3 = 10, which had not been tried.

Finally, in Batch 3, the antagonist is death. 7+1 = 8.

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In conclusion, here are what I believe to be the correct batch file answers:

Batch 0
Poison – 6
Parasites – 13 or 14

Batch 1
Poison – 1
Parasites – 11

Batch 2
Poison – 6
Parasites – 10

Batch 3
Poison – 1
Parasites – 8

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 		Re: Protagonists and antagonists?
Randall Jhen wrote:
In conclusion, here are what I believe to be the correct batch file answers:

Batch 0
Poison – 6
Parasites – 13 or 14

Batch 1
Poison – 1
Parasites – 11

Batch 2
Poison – 6
Parasites – 10

Batch 3
Poison – 1
Parasites – 8


You know, I honestly don't care if this particular theory doesn't work out. I'm just impressed with the thought put into it in this answer and the answers above.

Lookin' good, folks. Lookin' good!

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Randall Jhen
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 		Of course, when I go and forget something that I decided earlier and don't read through my post, it causes some problems.

"In Batch 1, there are a few. 'Only a few pennies,' 'not found a job,' 'bound hand and foot,' and the 'phantom of starvation.' Four has already been selected, but what if the parasites numbers start at seven, where the poison numbers (maybe) leave off? That makes the number either 11 (if 7 = 1) or 10 (if 7 = 0). The latter, 10, was tried and didn't work, but 11 is still a possibility."

Since I had decided that 7 must be 1, that means the answer to Batch 3 should, in fact, be Poison 1 and Parasites 7.

Sorry about that.

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