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[PUZZLE]Poison and Parasites SOLVED
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ALISDAIRPARK
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pity I missed this, we need to come up with something simple and repetitive, so that the basic sentances are un-complex, but the passage is long enough to be submitted.
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Rogi Ocnorb
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I have another theory.
That tonights batch cycle will yield 1 for poison.
I base that on "modifying" words in the text.
I was never an English star, but they appear to be various types of modifying words. Adjectives, adverbs, etc.
Batch 0:
Haggard, Oppressive, Clear, Blue, Impassive, Improbable
Batch 1:
Grisly
Batch 2:
Begging, Gaunt, Haggard, Restless, Vast, Merciless
Batch 3:
Unexciting, Impalpable, Great, Great, Sickly, Tepid
Batch 4:
Mistily, Shuddering, Inconceivable, Sepulchral, Infamous, Unwholesome, Insignificant, Silly
Batch 5:
Faint, Human, Heavy, Night
Batch 6:
Vast, Barbarous, How, Hardly, Failing, Sandy
Batch 7:
Tremulously

Though "Coming" and "Dark" could be added based on some of the previous hits using this theory.

Anybody who knows the rules of English and can explain what I'm seeing better than I am would be appreciated.
Then again, I could just be blowing smoke.

EDIT: I'm changing my guess to 2, adding "Coming" to the list, proper.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:07 pm
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tallerbird
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If we are going to submit our own text for the next batch then i think it should be this:
Quote:
Alice began to tire of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister read, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, 'and what use does a book have,' thought Alice 'without pictures or conversation?

From Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland modified from standard English to E-Prime.
This is based on the scrap of paper found under the batch processor with the quote from Korzybski. I think, if the theory behind this is based on Korzybski's theories and E-Prime, this text should give us 0,0.

What does everyone else think?

PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:29 pm
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I like Rogi's theory. I propose Batch 6 (from Frankenstein) with the word "death" near the end replaced with "life". This seems like it might let us test several letter-counting theories as well as semantic ones based on negative words.

PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:01 pm
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Results from Batch 7

One evening coming in with a candle I was startled to hear him say a little tremulously, 'I am lying here in the dark waiting for death.' The light was within a foot of his eyes. I forced myself to murmur, 'Oh, nonsense!'

Poison= 0 Parasites= 3

Synchronicity - 6 & 9
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Idorusan - 6 & 4
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
lpilker - 1 & 3
0/3 & 1/3 Observations Correct

Wojcik - 4 & 5
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
mnemo - 6 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
gandalf112 - 5 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
gaj90027 - 3 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
carlwebb - 0 & 0
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct

rkm333 - 1 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
kinsey - 2 & 7
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
sgresso - 10 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tjray - 9 & 8
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tallerbird - 5 & 3
0/3 & 1/3 Observations Correct

Tesseract - 7 & 6
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Sylvia - 3 & 3
0/3 & 1/3 Observations Correct

cjknight06 - 8 & 10
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
MizEmotional - 10 & 11
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Silverkun - 11 & 12
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
safari180 - 11 & 8
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Svengoolie - 12 & 13
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
ilikepucks - 13 & 14
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct

It looks like some others had the correct answer for parasites but they have been listed as being wrong. We are waiting for a response from kevin about this.
Edit: Looks like kevin fixed the problem

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:18 am
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Batch 8 text

Alice began to tire of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister read, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, 'and what use does a book have,' thought Alice 'without pictures or conversation?


Today's text was submitted by me. It should help us figure out if this has anything to do with E-Prime. I think it does but i haven't been able to come up with a theory that fits in with the previous answers yet. If this has something to do with E-Prime and poison and parasites are referring to things in the text that don't fit with the E-Prime theory then it should give us the answer 0,0. I may be on the wrong track with this but a least we should find out now.

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:22 am
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vikingofmars
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tallerbird said:
Quote:
tallerbird - 5 & 3
0/3 & 1/3 Observations Correct
Tesseract - 7 & 6
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Sylvia - 3 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct


both tallerbird and sylvia have 3 for parasites but only tallerbird has credit with the "1/3"

strange

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vikingofmars wrote:

both tallerbird and sylvia have 3 for parasites but only tallerbird has credit with the "1/3"

strange


This was how it was listed on the site earlier but has now been fixed.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Was the parasite count 4, today?
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Results from Batch 8

Alice began to tire of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister read, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, 'and what use does a book have,' thought Alice 'without pictures or conversation?

Poison=0 Parasites=4

* Synchronicity - 0 & 1
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* jkaufman - 5 & 9
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* carlwebb - 1 & 0
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* tallerbird - 0 & 0
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* ilikepucks - 0 & 4
1/3 & 1/3 Observations Correct
* Svengoolie - 2 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* Wojcik - 3 & 7
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* brad7924 - 4 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* tipsila - 0 & 2
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* vikingofmars - 6 & 6
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* kinsey - 4 & 0
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* tjray - 0 & 0
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* Chattonne - 0 & 0
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* Lola66 - 0 & 3
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* sgresso - 1 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* cjknight06 - 7 & 8
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* gandalf112 - 8 & 5
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* gaj90027 - 9 & 10
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* confoundo - 10 & 11
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* thelsdj - 11 & 12
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* Idorusan - 1 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* Sylvia - 2 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
* Silverkun - 12 & 13
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Was the parasite count 4, today?


Yes...after the number of commas worked yet again, I guess we will have to assume processor error or "copy and paste errors" (as Kevin has put it on one occasion) on those other batches (something I'm not very happy about). So thanks Rogi for bringing it to our attention...I think that this is finally going to work. Very Happy

By the way, the poision number is the number of "adjectives" in the passage. I use quotes because if you use the strict definition of adjective, you can find a lot more than the processor is counting (yes I've done quite a bit of research on my grammar rules). If you count only the obvious ones (again a very vague concept I know) the poison number works in all batches. If anybody wants a list of what I feel are the "obvious" adjectives just let me know.

Let's hope this stays true for the next two days so we can move past this. Keep the faith everybody.
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ilikepucks wrote:
If anybody wants a list of what I feel are the "obvious" adjectives just let me know.


I consider my time on these boards as a learning experience and would love to see what you've come up with. As I said previously, my misspent youth hampers me in certain areas. English grammar and composition being one of them, as I had mentioned, previously.
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Actually, I wouldn't change much from what you had a few posts up. Smile

Batch 0:
Haggard, Oppressive, Clear, Blue, Impassive, Improbable
Batch 1:
Grisly
Batch 2:
Begging, Gaunt, Haggard, Restless, Vast, Merciless
Batch 3:
Unexciting, Impalpable, Great, Great, Sickly, Tepid
Batch 4:
Mistily, Shuddering, Inconceivable, Sepulchral, little, Infamous, Unwholesome, Insignificant, Silly
Mistily is an adverb so I didn't count it.
Batch 5:
Faint, Human, Heavy, Night
Batch 6:
Vast, Barbarous, many, How, Hardly, Failing, Sandy, being
Batch 7:
Tremulously
This is an adverb and so I didn't count it. This passage has no "adjectives".
Batch 8:
No "adjectives"

Now I'm not an expert, but from all of the reading I did, words like no, few, ten, day's etc. that are used to describe how much of something are considered adjectives also. But the only way to get these answers to coincide is to leave those words out. So there ya go. This is the list I used to get the poison answers to work.

I'm welcome to any discussion or opinions on this matter as it is a team effort. Very Happy
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Okay, I'm not sure which batch this is, but here's the text:

Quote:
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

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In Batch 2, I don't think 'begging' is an adjective, but in this case the word 'exhausted' might be....meaning...well...nothing much because substituting one in for the one out means that everything still holds true. From what I've looked at so far, I like the theory!


edit: Also, I think in batch 5, "night-air" is a noun--the night air is heavy, the air is not night--however, countering that, 'asleep' could be considered verb or adjective, and I'm pretty sure 'awake' in this context is an adjective. In B6, I don't think "being" can be an adjective.

Bah, I'm losing it. Am I making sense?

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