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[PUZZLE]Poison and Parasites SOLVED
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Silverkun
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[PUZZLE]Poison and Parasites SOLVED

This is a child thead from a parent discussion in the Studio Cypher topic.

The text from the puzzle is pretty straightforward:
No matter what I do, the batch processor gives me some weird text and then asks "How much poison? How many parasites?" I tried my best, but I just can't figure out what it's asking for. Computers are supposed to be logical!

One time, I got it to say "1/3 & 0/3 Correct Observations," but the next day I was back to "0/3 & 0/3 Correct Observations." Pretty frustrating, no question about it.

Here's the text and my answers that got me a correct mark from the processor. I hope it does you more good than it did me:

Many haggard men will be marched through the oppressive streets. Some will be killed. Other men will persevere until they can look upon the clear blue sky with their own eyes. They have been judged guilty by impassive, improbable men.

How much poison? 6
How many parasites? 1


We took a stab at our guesses and came up with a pretty disappointing result:
"Here are the results the processor gave me for batch 1.

Text for Batch 1

At the end of about ten days Jurgis had only a few pennies left; and he had not yet found a job—not even a day's work at anything, not a chance to carry a satchel. Once again, as when he had come out of the hospital, he was bound hand and foot, and facing the grisly phantom of starvation.


gandalf112 - 6 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
ladyindigo - 1 & 4
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tipsila - 6 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
logicphyber - 6 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
lpilker - 5 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Ransom - 6 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
thelsdj - 27 & 4
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tjray - 3 & 60
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
sgresso - 2 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
carlwebb - 27 & 4
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
brad7924 - 4 & 27
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Synchronicity - 6 & 9
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Silverkun - 2 & 27
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Svengoolie - 27 & 4
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
mnemo - 2 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Chattonne - 3 & 8
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tallerbird - 18 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Tesseract - 18 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
vikingofmars - 3 & 21
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
confoundo - 3 & 10
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
cjknight06 - 18 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
emighhome - 7 & 2
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
dizzave - 18 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
ilikepucks - 5 & 15
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct "

Given those datapoints, we're working on a few options.

What has been suggested as of this timestamp (Edits pending):
- The "0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct" tag suggests that we need to get the answer right three days in a row
- The answers could be a single digit number (0-9)
- We may be able to put in more numbers (though ladyindigo failed to put in more than one number using spaces to seperate her guesses - commas are being tried)
- This is a modified book cipher of some sort.
- Bad Karma. Bad Monkeys.

A few guesses have been tossed out, but there has been a popular suggestion that we should attempt to get more datapoints by finding out what hits and what doesn't.

This thread is intended for those who wish to help brainstorm and coordinate efforts.

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So after printing this sucker out and trying to find a pattern, I admit defeat. It's very very very possible that I'm overthinking this and am instead going to feel like an utter twit when the answer becomes apparant, but I'm going to play with syntax.

I'm going to enter 1:2:3 for Poisons
and I'm going to enter 6;7;8 for Parasites, out of a sense of skewed consecutive logic...Wink

ILikePucks and Tessaract suggested (and I think are organizing?) getting people to try a sequence of numbers starting a 0&9 all the way to 9&0. Possibly more.

Suggestions, folks?

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Good summary silver...now lets get cracking on this one. I unfortunately have no good ideas at the moment.
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Have y'all toyed with frequency analysis?

Code:
First block of text
E     32
L     14
H     12
I     12
T     12
R     11
S     10
A     9
N     9
O     9
M     8
B     7
Y     7
P     6
U     6
D     5
G     5
W     5
V     4
C     3
K     3
J     1
F     0
Q     0
X     0
Z     0

Passage from chapter 27 of The Jungle
A     30
N     24
O     21
T     21
E     20
H     16
D     12
S     10
F     8
I     8
C     7
Y     7
R     6
G     5
L     5
U     5
W     4
B     3
P     3
J     2
M     2
V     2
K     1
Q     0
X     0
Z     0

EDIT: Added Zero values
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Have y'all toyed with frequency analysis?


You know, I hadn't played wth that yet, no. But it's still worth looking into.
Still not sure how that would apply, though. Suggestions?

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Have y'all toyed with frequency analysis?


I did, but the only letters in the first quote that were used six times were 'p' and 'u'... both of those letters were used more than once in the second quote.

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"P", like in "Poison" or "Parsasite"?

I wonder if there's maybe like an international standard for diseases, conditions, injuries and morbidity that uses single letter codes?
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
"P", like in "Poison" or "Parsasite"?

I wonder if there's maybe like an international standard for diseases, conditions, injuries and morbidity that uses single letter codes?


Well, the shorthand for Poison is the letter "x".
I'm not finding anything that's the shorthand for parasite...

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I wonder if we take out spaces and punctuation and see if the letter run together and spell a number

for example

aTWOnder

?

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Silverkun wrote:

I'm not finding anything that's the shorthand for parasite...

-R


I don't know anything official, but of course a lot of parasites are worms... which are usually cylindrical, like an 'o'. But then there's flatworms.

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Here are the results the processor gave me for batch 2.

Text for Batch 2

He would walk, begging for work, until he was exhausted; he could not remain still—he would wander on, gaunt and haggard, gazing about him with restless eyes. Everywhere he went, from one end of the vast city to the other, there were hundreds of others like him; everywhere was the sight of plenty and the merciless hand of authority waving them away. There is one kind of prison where the man is behind bars, and everything that he desires is outside; and there is another kind where the things are behind the bars, and the man is outside.

Synchronicity - 664 & 857
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
krispy - 3 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tallerbird - 4 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Tesseract - 18 & 7
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
gaj90027 - 1 & 24
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
gandalf112 - 200 & 200
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
sgresso - 3 & 8
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
kinsey - 27 & 5
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
jkaufman - 5 & 5
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Chattonne - 16 & 9
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
macwebby - 6 & 8
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct

brad7924 - 5 & 5
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
dreddy1999 - 6 & 2
1/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct

Svengoolie - 5 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
Silverkun - 1 & 6
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
carlwebb - 2 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
ladyindigo - 3 & 6
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
cjknight06 - 21 & 4
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
mnemo - 1 & 0
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
ilikepucks - 24 & 1
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
tjray - 8 & 17
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
emighhome - 22 & 3
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct
vikingofmars - 5 & 9
0/3 & 0/3 Observations Correct

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So now we have three correct observations for the first question ("poison"): 6 for Kevin's text, 1 for Batch 1, and 6 for Batch 2. We have no correct observations for the second question ("parasites").

I keep thinking the poison question refers to words with double letters, but the counts don't seem to be quite right for that.

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It would be worth having all the results pulled together, for both successes & fails. Silverkun had started this in the other thread, but I've attached a sheet that I will continue to update with the figures on.

BTW: There were nearly a third of the guesses that were duplicate numbers, so wasted guesses IMHO.

Also I was thinking about the various entering 3 numbers ideas, the thing that potentially screws us is we would have to get 2, or 3, numbers correct before we can find the format, i.e. 1, 2, 3 might be the correct way to enter multiple numbers, but if they are all wrong it will still say 0/3.

EDIT > the above doesn't seem to matter. On the forums Dizzave got a response from Kevin pretty much confirming we need to get it right 3 days in a row. Did I suggest this first? Very Happy

EDIT >For coordinating the numbers, given my attempt failed yesterday, does anyone have any other suggestions?

Edit 500 > I've dropped a mail to Kevin asking if we can have a file sharing space, or if not then allow attachments on the forum.

EDIT 2967 > (where is everyone...) Some other thoughts I've had while doing some work: The only possible "clue" to this code is the cryptozoologist historian profession for Lehner, which, if memory serves, is studying the history of mythical beasts. So could there be a link to poisons & parasites there?

Also there are two options for a relationship to the answers:
1) Poisons kill parasites therefore opposites
2) Poisons kill, and parasites feed from, but let live therefore a reduced version of poisons?
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I'm all for the brute force method at this point. Guarantee us (hopefully) right answers, then tomorrow the smart people can study it all day and figure out the pattern. I really just want to get this thing over with and move on with the "case." On the other hand, if this thing turns out to be the whole case... I'll be quite disappointed.

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Re: [SC] Studio Cypher - Poison and Parasites

Silverkun wrote:


Text for Batch 1

At the end of about ten days Jurgis had only a few pennies left; and he had not yet found a job—not even a day's work at anything, not a chance to carry a satchel. Once again, as when he had come out of the hospital, he was bound hand and foot, and facing the grisly phantom of starvation.


I think the word Ten is significant as it is the only number mentioned in the riddle. I think (as has meen mentioned by others) that the numbers we are looking for are 0-9 and not two digit ones.

carlwebb wrote:
He would walk, begging for work, until he was exhausted; he could not remain still—he would wander on, gaunt and haggard, gazing about him with restless eyes. Everywhere he went, from one end of the vast city to the other, there were hundreds of others like him; everywhere was the sight of plenty and the merciless hand of authority waving them away. There is one kind of prison where the man is behind bars, and everything that he desires is outside; and there is another kind where the things are behind the bars, and the man is outside


again we have an number 100. Which is 10 times 10...

So maybe if the first number is 6 then the second number would be... well, either 6x10 = 60 (first number multiplied by 10), or 6x6=30 (if it is the first number multiplied by itself).

I'll take 6, 60, if someone else wants to do 6, 30?

Edit: I'm not a wakeful agent so I can't log in to enter this. someone will have to try both sets of numbers for me...
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