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[INFO][SPEC] Alvar Hanso Photo (and season 2 evidence)
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The Drunk Monkey
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 		[INFO][SPEC] Alvar Hanso Photo (and season 2 evidence)
The following post contains details about episode 3 of Lost season 2, 'Orientation', while the rest of the topic contains (mostly spoiler tagged) details from season 2.

Episode 2 has not yet aired on Channel 4 in the UK (but has on E4). I'll remove the spoiler tags after it has aired Tuesday.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The same picture of Alvar Hanso is used in the Foundation TV ad and website. However, it is also in the orientation film seen by Jack and Locke at the beginning of season 2.

On the website, it says quite clearly on Alvar's bio page that it was taken October 28, 2003.

At the end of the orientation film, the copyright notice says that the film was made in 1980.

Obviously, if the picture was taken in 2003, it couldn't have been used in a film 23 years before then.

I have 3 plausible theories:

1) Production error. This seems like an obvious, but very quick answer. The picture of Mr Hanso seems to be thrown around a lot (like I said, it appears several times on the website, in the TV ad, and once so far in the episodes shown on UK TV), so it is quite possible that the producers/directors of Lost and of Lost Experience made a mistake. However, why would the directors have bothered to keep the camera on, or even make the copyright notice at the end of the film? Attention to detail (the date on the website is incorrect), or are we supposed to make a connection between the two?

2) Time travel. Far less likely. Yes, there are columns of thick black smoke tearing people to pieces and pulling them down holes, but I doubt the creators would go so far as to mess with time. I see this as the least likely answer.

3) It has something to do with "Where is Alvar Hanso? What have they done with him? Who is in charge--". This is my best explanation for the different dates. The picture was taken before the creation of the film, and is being reused now because there simply isn't any recent photos of Hanso.

However, my explanation leaves a bigger question open: what has happened to Alvar Hanso?


Please put all evidence/arguments regarding season 2 in spoiler tags unless it has been confirmed that it is from an episode that has been aired in the US, UK and Australia.

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Emericana
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 		I think you're forgetting another possible option: the video isn't really from 1980. Anyone who's watched this season of Lost knows by now that the Others thrive on deception. Who's to say that the video wasn't shot 3 years ago and made to look 26 years old?

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Emericana wrote:
I think you're forgetting another possible option: the video isn't really from 1980. Anyone who's watched this season of Lost knows by now that the Others thrive on deception. Who's to say that the video wasn't shot 3 years ago and made to look 26 years old?


That's what I'm leaning towards right now. The others wear beards and what not to look run down and old, one could hypothesize the same for the type.

However, and we find this out in the finale, there is the potential that the Swan Sector has been going for quite the long time.

This reminds me of the a Robert Ludlum novel, where the U.S. Government creates a worldwide philanthropist to assuage worldwide concerns, appear neutral, but help out interests. Now, we haven't been given any indication that Hanso isn't around, but say, for some reason, he's dead or out of touch with thehansofoundation, and for some reason, the world would have to be led on he was still very much in the picture.

Just food for thought.

Also, if the picture of that date is true, than the Lostaways we watch Wednesday nights still aren't in 2005 yet (well, they might be). Beyond that, "Accelerated Remote Viewing" whatnot, could be where the Lostaways are at, as Faux Henry said "Not even God can see us." If that's the case, it could be some sort of man made island outside of normal rules. But that's neither here nor there, AND I VOTE THE TAPE IS JUST A NAUGHTY TRICK.

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 		Spoilered for the sake of those who haven't seen season 2:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
We do have reason to believe that Alvar Hanso is dead. On the blast door, there is a reference to "known final restng place of Magnus Hanso". Now I know that this is not definative proof, but it sure says a lot.


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 		In reply to kete00's spoiler

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
That was Magnus Hanso, not Alvar Hanso I think - Alvar's father or son perhaps?


Jeb

EDIT: oh, and I ought to say, I reckon Alvar is MIA, and has been for a long while, but they won't tell anyone... Perhaps he's on the island! ... or maybe not...
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 		I'm just crazy and think:

S2 Ep 18+ spoiler

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

That Alvin Hanso was on the island when the accident happened. Maybe at "?". As the island is obviously a research base that they wanted to keep from the eyes of the world, they just filled it in and brushed it under the carpet. The Alvin Hanso MIA would just be a nice cover up while the board continue work as usual


Also, please try to keep everything S2 related spoilered. you let a few things slip in the above posts.
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JebJoya wrote:
In reply to kete00's spoiler

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
That was Magnus Hanso, not Alvar Hanso I think - Alvar's father or son perhaps?


Jeb

EDIT: oh, and I ought to say, I reckon Alvar is MIA, and has been for a long while, but they won't tell anyone... Perhaps he's on the island! ... or maybe not...


ah, but

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
magnus hanso
is a way of saying 'Hanso the Great', isn't it?

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pk1 wrote:
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magnus hanso
is a way of saying 'Hanso the Great', isn't it?


Well, I guess so, but in Scandinavia/Europe the title usually comes as a surname (like Olaus Magnus, Johannes Magnus, and Gregorius Magnus).
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 		I don't think the Others could have forged quite a convincing video by the Dharma Initiative with the level of technology available in the station. And why would they? The only reason would be to keep two of the crash survivors busy for a couple years at a time, pushing the button, which would be a pointless task in that case anyway. If the tape is a forgery, then why would the Initiative/Foundation, apparently, send people to keep pressing the button when there is no need to?

EDIT: Not to say that I'm totally ruling out that the film is a recent creation.

Only problem is that I remember Desmond stated he had been there 3 years, so (considering that the Island should still be in 2005) the picture would still have to be created at least year before the website specifies for Desmond to see the film upon his arrival.

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 		Haha, it's pretty funny reading this if you're from the UK.

It's like, I think *spoiler* because *spoiler* *spoiler* was with *spoiler* when the *spoiler* and hit *spoiler* right in the middle of the *spoiler*

It is appreciated though. Thanks for using the spoiler tags!
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 		[quote="The Drunk Monkey"] If the tape is a forgery, then why would the Initiative/Foundation, apparently, send people to keep pressing the button when there is no need to?
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It's not an entirely pointless activity; it could be a study of human psychology. The tape mentions BF Skinner, who is famous for his studies on animal psychology, being summed up in the idea "Controlling enovironments equal controlling behaviour." Fascinating stuff. Wiki him. Anywho, it seems that the Others may be doing this to discover whether humans have the same reactions as animals in the BF Skinner respect.


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 		Whoops. The above post should have the quote boxes the other way around.

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 		There's such a thing as an edit button. Smile

cillitbang wrote:
It's not an entirely pointless activity; it could be a study of human psychology. The tape mentions BF Skinner, who is famous for his studies on animal psychology, being summed up in the idea "Controlling enovironments equal controlling behaviour." Fascinating stuff. Wiki him. Anywho, it seems that the Others may be doing this to discover whether humans have the same reactions as animals in the BF Skinner respect.

You do make a good point -- it is a research station after all, and is quite a unique environment.

However, as far as I know, the Others and the Dharma Initiative arn't related -- at least not in that way -- so that rules out the Others as psychologists, even if the whole thing is a Skinner-like experiment set up by the Intitiative.

But after Desmond's button-pushing partner died, why didn't the Initiative send another to replace him, or for that matter stop the experiment all together? Even Desmond's arrival seems to be an accident, and it sounded like his partner was desperate for help when he did arrive.

(I think I may be going off topic a bit on that last paragraph...)

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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Given that the Black Rock is Magnus Hanso's resting place, isn't it entirely possible that Magnus is an ancestor of Alvar's who was simply a passenger (or captain of) the Black Rock?


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 		I hold fast to my original theory: Joop ate Alvar Hanso, and is probably running things now Very Happy

Sorry, just had to weigh in with that one.
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