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Sylvia
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 		According to this, Week 10:

http://www.catchingthewish.com/StorySoFar/index.html

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V. Patterson from Princeton, NJ, has updated their site, mythosphere.org with information about a patient with Global Transient Amnesia who is currently at Klepsdyra.


Does that mean what I think it means, that V.Patterson from Princeton, NJ and others are behind the mythosphere site.

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Sylvia
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 		[UPDATE] August 11
Update with new page.

http://www.mythosphere.org/interviews2.html

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|| mythosphere.org ||

Interview Materials 2

|| V. Patterson Notes || Source W035 || Oral Interview 0600086 || Writing sample 0600245 || Writing sample 0600246 || Writing sample 0600253 ||

John Doe #06 continues to respond amazingly well to written materials, especially those relating to mythology or ancient history. He exhibits an immeasurable capacity for memorizing and then writing from memory lengthy and complex text passages, often combining recent reading material with related subject matter he was given weeks ago.

Some of John Doe #06's oral interviews and a couple of his written pieces have begun exploring possible personal history and memories, a potential sign that the subject's GTA may be lessening. Statements of a suspected more personal nature seem to often be triggered by specific passages from material he is reading. Documentation of suspected correlations begun but inconclusive.

In every mythological tradition one myth or cluster of myths tends to be central. The subject of the central mythology is often cosmogony (origin of the cosmos). In many of those ceremonies that each society has developed as a symbol of what is necessary to its well-being, references are made to the beginning of the world. Examples include the enthronements of kings, which in some traditions (as in Fiji or ancient India) are associated with a creation or re-creation of the world. Analogously, in ancient Mesopotamia the creation epic Enuma elish, which was read each New Year at Babylon, celebrated the progress of the cosmos from initial anarchy to government by the kingship of Marduk; hence the authority of earthly rulers, and of earthly monarchy in general, was implicitly supported and justified. ||
Portion of Subject Material W035 torn out of book by John Doe #06 and carried about for days.

"Nike. How does the personification of sweet victory fit into a shoe? Born before the Olympians, she cannot even lay claim to her rightful royalties alongside the Tiger. She will not be defeated, she is Lady Victory and will exact her tribute in good time. But, she has also given her blessing to a select few who wear her mark, and to the victor goes the spoils. If they truly believe." ||

NOTES: The phrase "if they truly believe" appears repeatedly in subject's writings and speech.

Sample excerpted from transcript of oral interview 0600086

Now Calliope bore to Oeagrus or, nominally, to Apollo, a son Linus, whom Hercules slew; and another son, Orpheus, who practised minstrelsy and by his songs moved stones and trees. And when his wife Eurydice died, bitten by a snake, he went down to Hades, being fain to bring her up, and he persuaded Pluto to send her up. The god promised to do so, if on the way Orpheus would not turn round until he should be come to his own house. But he disobeyed and turning round beheld his wife; so she turned back. Orpheus also invented the mysteries of Dionysus, and having been torn in pieces by the Maenads he is buried in Pieria.

Writing sample 0600245

A Dakota girl married a man who promised to treat her kindly, but he did not keep his word. He was unreasonable, fault-finding, and often beat her. Frantic with his cruelty, she ran away. The whole village turned out to search for her, but no trace of the missing wife was to be found. ||

When the second year arrived They had depleted the storehouse. When the third year arrived The people's looks were changed by starvation. When the fourth year arrived Their upstanding bearing bowed, Their well-set shoulders slouched, The people went out in public hunched over. When the fifth year arrived, A daughter would eye her mother coming in; A mother would not even open her door to her daughter. . . . When the sixth year arrived They served up a daughter for a meal, Served up a son for food. ||

Writing sample 0600246

[The next section has links back to these pages m1,m2,m3,m4,m5,m6 and another puzzle leading back to memory.html]
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Serpents of pseudo-thought are stifling history. || They are squeezing "Thou shalt not!" upon Development.

New Lands--and the horrors and lights, explosions and music of them; rabbles of hellhounds and the march of military angels. But they are Promised Lands, and first must we traverse a desert. There is ahead of us a waste of parallaxes and spectrograms and triangulations. It may be weary going through a waste of astronomic determinations, but that depends-- || If out of a dreary, academic zenith shower betrayals of frailty, folly, and falsification, they will be manna to our malices-- || Or sterile demonstrations be warmed by our cheerful cynicisms into delicious little lies--blossoms and fruits of unexpected oases-- || Rocks to strike with our suspicions--and the gush of exposures foaming with new implications.

Tyrants, dragons, giants--and, if all be dispatched with the skill and the might and the triumph over awful odds of the hero who himself tells his story-- ||

I hear three yells from some hitherto undiscovered, grotesque critter at the very entrance of the desert.

Words, not my own, yet they are fixed in my heart and soul. ||

NOTES: The first part of this passage was written very neatly, in what I've come to call the subject's normal handwriting. The final line, "Words, not my own, yet they are fixed in my heart and soul" appeared to be written in a totally different handwriting, scrawling and almost chaotic.

Suspected personal writing sample 0600253.



PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:41 pm
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Sandra
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 		Here's a list of the bits of quotes and links that I found that contain them:

In every mythological tradition one myth or cluster of myths tends to be central.

http://www.crystalinks.com/mythology2.html

Nike refers to the Greek Goodess Nike:

http://www.loggia.com/myth/nike.html

Orpheus, who practised minstrelsy and by his songs moved stones and trees.

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Orpheus.html

The story of the Dakota girl:

http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/lore145.html

When the second year arrived They had depleted the storehouse

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Atrahasi.htm

Serpents of pseudo-thought are stifling history. Note: This comes from "New Lands."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/lands/lands101.htm

http://www.resologist.net/lands101.htm

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Sylvia
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 		Update http://www.mythosphere.org/interviews3.html
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Interview Materials 3

|| V. Patterson Notes || Oral Interview 0600089 || Writing sample 0600255 || Writing sample 0600257 || Writing sample 0600260 || Writing sample 0600261 ||

John Doe #06's writings have trended towards more personal, or at least, more subjectively influenced content. Specific samples have given reason to believe that the GTA may be in its final stages. As before, statements of a suspected more personal nature still seem to be triggered by specific passages from material he is reading.

"Myth is a type of speech……a system of communication, … a message. This allows one to perceive that myth cannot possibly be an object, a concept, or an idea; it is a mode of signification, a form." ||
Statement made by John Doe #06 during Oral Interview 0600089.

O King, not God indeed nor peer to God We deem thee, that we kneel before thine hearth, Children and old men, praying; but of earth. A thing consummate by thy star confessed. Thou walkest and by converse with the blest; Who came to Thebes so swift, and swept away The Sphinx's song, the tribute of dismay, That all were bowed beneath, and made us free. A stranger, thou, naught knowing more than we, Nor taught of any man, but by God's breath Filled, thou didst raise our life. So the world saith; So we say. ||

Sample excerpted from Writing Sample 0600255. Later traced to "OEDIPUS REX": The Play, but no evidence could be found that John Doe #06 had recent access to that source material.

"It is, I should say, a 'monotheistic but 'sub-creational' mythology.' There is no embodiment of the One, of God, who indeed remains remote, outside the World, and only directly accessible to the Valar or Rulers. These take the place of the 'gods', but are created spirits...." || i grow angry at their blindness the mythology of reality is shared by all, yet the reality of mythology escapes them || This is what most of them did in this matter of the unborn, for I cannot (and never could) think that they seriously believed in their mythology concerning preexistence; they did and they did not; they did not know themselves what they believed; all they did know was that it was a disease not to believe as they did. The only thing of which they were quite sure was that it was the pestering of the unborn which caused them to be brought into this world, and that they would not have been here if they would have only let peaceable people alone.

Writing sample 0600257

blind

I saw a man on the street yesterday who was not a man at all. His eyes burned into me, as if he knew. Yes, I think he did indeed know. || It is everywhere. They are everywhere. I am everywhere. ||

Why cannot the rest see?

FROGS and fishes and worms -- and these are the materials of our expression upon all things. || Hops and flops and squirms -- and these are the motions. || But we have been considering more than matter and motion, to start with: we have been considering attempts by scientists to explain them. By explanation, I mean organization. There is more than matter and motion in our existence: there is organization of matter and motion. ||

Nobody takes a little clot that is central in a disease germ, as Absolute Truth; and the latest scientific discovery is only something for ideas to systematize around. But there is this systemization, or organization, and we shall have to consider it.
WHY don't they see, when sometimes magnificently there is something to see? ||

The answer is the same as the answer to another question:

Why, sometimes, do they see when there is nothing to see?

Suspected personal writing sample 0600260.

memory

I remember, but just for a fleeting moment, or briefer still, I remember who, or maybe what, I was. || Never can I make the memory stay. ||

Suspected personal writing sample 0600261.


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Why, sometimes, do they see when there is nothing to see?


Maybe we're being told we're on the wrong track with some of our spec?
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Sylvia
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 		Update http://www.mythosphere.org/interviews4.html

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|| V. Patterson Notes || Writing sample 0600263 || Writing sample 0600264 || Writing sample 0600266 || Writing sample 0600267 || Writing sample 0600269 ||

John Doe #06's writings and oral interviews are almost exclusively personal now, although his name and other aspects of his personal history continue to elude him. Many of his personal recollections also seem heavily influenced by subject's fantasies and fascination with mythology, often injecting himself in the middle of some known myth or fable.

Cerberus the guardian, standing watch once again, an echo or a memory, the original dog of war || I remember a different reality. What does make what I'm living now? || I am haunted by the number 6, I know not why ||

I guess housewives of America may have had problems with the mouthability of Achilles, and so in his stead stands Ajax. Suicide to me does not speak to strength, but to weakness. ||
Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600263.

history

I have no history, no tale to tell and yet I must speak, I must write, this is my story, a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. I try to sing, the rust of my voice colors the tone || my history - your history ||

Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600264.

living

Meaning and mystery are hidden in the patterns that weave the tapestry of life. In the patterns, we find what we seek. What do you seek? || Within the act of creation resides the path to truth and what lies beyond in understanding, see and become that in which we believe || A time of myths, we are living in a time of myths and legends. Man always has, that is the nature of his existence. I've often heard it said that mythology is always based on reality somehow, that myths were ancient man's way of explaining things in the real world he couldn't otherwise understand. I think it is precisely the reverse; our reality is based on our mythology. The world is as we believe it to be. If yesterday's science and literature are the myths and legends of today, what does that make today's science and literature? Did the ancient Greek know he was living in a myth? ||

Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600266.

demon

The demon passed my house today, his cold touch frosting my windows as he passed. The blind ones walk without a care as he passes among them, they are unaware. What legend did he walk out of, and which one is he part of now?

Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600267.

reality

These vague, new ideas that flutter momentarily in every mind -- sometimes they're as hard to catch as is the moment they flutter in. It's like trying to pin a butterfly without catching it. They're gone. They can't develop, because one doesn't, or can't, note them, and collect notes. We'd all be somewhat enlightened -- if that would be any good to us -- were it not for easy chairs. Where's a pin? Hereafter I'm going to have a pet porcupine around the house. One can't learn much and also be comfortable. One can't learn much and let anybody else be comfortable.

There is reality and then there is reality - a reality external to us all and the inner reality created by the thing we call self, but if there is more than one reality, doesn't that mean there is no reality at all? || I wonder if the reality in your head is the same as mine. ||

What was real to the Romans and Greeks is called fantasy by the fools of today. But if fantasy is an illusion, a diversion from the truth and what is, in the end, real, then I call today's reality a fantasy indeed. ||

Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600269.


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Sylvia
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 		Update http://www.mythosphere.org/interviews5.html

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|| mythosphere.org ||

Interview Materials 5

|| V. Patterson Notes || Writing sample 0600272 || Writing sample 0600274 || Oral Interview 0600096 || Oral Interview 0600098 || Oral Interview 0600101 ||

This concludes the last installment (for now) of John Doe #06's writings and oral interviews. At this point significant and measurable differences in both his cognitive and interpersonal skills had been documented and many of the last interview sessions and collection periods were almost exclusively in the form of prolonged conversations.

How appropriate is the name of the Apollo Theater. Apollo protects and inspires the artist, and the artist would do well to remember it. Give your thanks and offerings, or risk a plague by his hand. || Whilst escaping from the Labyrinth of King Minos on wings of feathers and wax, Icarus (Challenger) flew too close to the sun and plunged to his death. Icarus (Challenger) was brought down by his folly and his ignorance. Truly lofty flight is for the Gods, and the Gods alone. Man would do well to remember this, especially those in Florida. ||

Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600272.

flames

|| All of this will soon be gone. ||

He saw a huge fire burst forth on the headland below Audun's farm. Grettir asked what was happening, but Audun said there was no need for him to worry about it.

"If such a thing were seen in my country," said Grettir, "it would be said that the flame came from a buried treasure."

The farmer said, "The owner of this fire, I think, is one whom it is better not to enquire about."

"Still, I wish to know," said Grettir. ||

"I wish to know," she said to me, "where all of this comes from. What does it mean? And, how can we make it stop?" ||

|| I have given you my all. ||

Excerpt from personal writing sample 0600274.

all

|| All of this will soon be gone. ||

I remember sometimes, another place, another life, another me.

I remember betrayal. Betrayer or betrayed? Which role did I play?

At another time, I remember fear, of what would come from my actions or lack thereof. The cost was too much to bear.

I remember death and life, mixed together to be the same, and fact and fiction becoming one. ||

"Out of disconnected elements, a complete meaning is constructed, and that is what a person remembers." ||

No, Ebbinghaus will not have his way. The stories, my stories, are mine to tell. ||

|| I have given you my all. And lost myself. ||

Transcribed from Oral Interview 0600096.

lost

|| And lost myself. ||

Quis hoc credat, nisi sit pro teste vetustas?

"Remembering is always transformation and reconstruction."

The Prometheus has been unbound. ||

I am Iphigenia, with no Agememnon to blame. ||

Transcribed from Oral Interview 0600098.

trickster

"So he decided to ask his three sisters who lived in his stomach in the form of huckleberries. They were very wise. They could tell him what to do.

At first, Coyote's sisters were reluctant to help him. "If we tell you," they said, "you will only say that you knew it all along."

Coyote remembered that his sisters were afraid of hail and so he called up into the sky, "Hail! Hail! Fall down from the sky."

This made his sisters very afraid. "Stop!" they called. "Don't bring the hail down. We will tell you what you want to know."

Coyote's sisters then told him how to steal the fire and get it down the mountain to the people without getting caught. When they had finished talking, Coyote said, "Yes, that was my plan all along."

Transcribed from Oral Interview 0600101.



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Sylvia
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 		To point a few things out.

The oral interviews numbered 060096, 060098 and 0600101 all link back to writing sample number 0600272.

And check out what kona discovered using Oral Interview 0600098:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16652&start=30

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 		I know there's been a lot of speculation as to who is funding V. Patterson's research. The most obvious choice to date is Marzent. Who ever it is, I thought this was interesting, an anagram of V Patterson is "top servant".
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enaxor wrote:
I know there's been a lot of speculation as to who is funding V. Patterson's research. The most obvious choice to date is Marzent. Who ever it is, I thought this was interesting, an anagram of V Patterson is "top servant".


Nice catch!!! Shocked There always has been something fishy about Klepstra..... couldn't resist.... Marzant anagrams to Tzar Men..... hmmmmmm
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