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Gus Raja
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I got it...

Desmond was actually hired by ABC to generate the EMP at precisely the right time. They planned the entire crash just to make their TV show a hit.

Yeah, that's the ticket.


This thread sort of ruined my fun. I mean, I know it's all fake, but now it's like way fake. It takes several months to put a show like this together so in any kind of reality the crash must have taken place way sooner.

Unless...

We're all mere figments of Hurley's imagination. Shocked

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:00 am
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matt_the_pale
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Gus Raja wrote:
It takes several months to put a show like this together so in any kind of reality the crash must have taken place way sooner.

Exactly.

RPGgame wrote:
a lost tv show should have never been mentioned.

Exactly. They screwed up the continuity and now they say, "Oh, just suspend disbelief and pretend the show aired a year later."

I'm fine with suspending disbelief for things like evil corporations, genetic experiments, organ harvesting, and even the 105-year-old orangutan. I can do that, no problem.

I think it's a slap in the face for everyone playing this game when TPTB tell us to suspend disbelief in order to cover up sloppy writing and poor planning. As a friend of mine said, "How can we play the game if we're continually told to suspend disbelief of things that were previously thought to be facts in the game?"


EDIT: Nevermind, I think this guy has an answer that will suffice for me.
hm from the 4815162342 forums wrote:
I posted in another thread a while back a "theory" that would hopefully appease those that had trouble believing that the Lost could be "real" because the television show aired on the same day as the plane "really" crashed.

Basically, if Persephone is someone inside the organization, she may have found out sometime earlier in 2004 that people at Hanso were planning on downing a plane on September 22, maybe finding a manifest with at least some passengers names who had made advance reservations (or maybe even names that the Hansoites wanted to manipulate onto the plane). Either thinking the authorities would not believe her or fearing for her safety, Persephone, unable to stop the crash, was only able to leak the info to a couple of people who happened to be writer/producers. Maybe they thought the only way to get the real story of the Hanso Foundation out was to get peoples attention by making the incident into a tv show. They decided for dramatic effect to air the show on the night that the plane was to go down.

Once they had gotten people interested in the evil machinations of the Hanso Foundation through the television show, they could recruit some of the fans to seek out more clues about the Foundation, uncover their plots, locate and free Alvar Hanso, FREE JOOP and live happily ever after, gaining some profits from sponsors along the way.

Its a thought, anyway. Excuse me while I go see my shrink.

I think I need one too.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:05 am
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RPGgame wrote:
the speaker seems to confuse everything cause it all made perfect sense before and if we are to take what the speaker says as fact well that screws up the entire hugh interview and a lost tv show should have never been mentioned.


Not entirely. The first season has been completely shown in most places. They could limit it to the first season. (or, just perhaps the numbers and the Hanso foundation.) Or perhaps ...
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Information about the character(s). Even to a lesser extent Libby's background could be told out in this ARG format, (remember she didn't have a flashback) with out giving away the fact she dies in season 2, it would be intresting to see a story told about her, that takes place online, and in terms of continuity, happens around season 1. So far there really hasn't been very much in terms of spoilers in the ARG. Like in seeing the flash decompiled and seeing a locke-esq like face, it makes you wonder, and it makes you really believe that things aren't all what they seem (gasp! an ARG characteristic!)


But I rather like the intresting play they are doing. This is an ARG after all, things don't need to need to fit into your perfect world of comprehention of what is going on. Not knowing is what makes it fun Smile He throws out an intresting idea, and makes a point that it isn't in Hanso's best intrest to say what happened on the island is fact. Some of the things on that island surely would attract unwanted goverment attention (The question mark by it self is a study waiting to happen, let alone the button...)

While it is a bit slopply done, the Hanso interview was done on the jimmy kimmle show for pete's sake. I'm not expecting epic dateline specials for something that has been marked a 'test run' by ABC. 3-5 years down the road, if this genre catches on (which, given what I'm seeing, is clearly drawing it's share of fans) Then expectations will rise.

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Gus Raja
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matt_the_pale wrote:
...I think this guy has an answer that will suffice for me.
hm from the 4815162342 forums wrote:
I posted in another thread a while back a "theory" that would hopefully appease those that had trouble believing that the Lost could be "real" because the television show aired on the same day as the plane "really" crashed.

Basically, if Persephone is someone inside the organization, she may have found out sometime earlier in 2004 that people at Hanso were planning on downing a plane on September 22, maybe finding a manifest with at least some passengers names who had made advance reservations (or maybe even names that the Hansoites wanted to manipulate onto the plane). Either thinking the authorities would not believe her or fearing for her safety, Persephone, unable to stop the crash, was only able to leak the info to a couple of people who happened to be writer/producers. Maybe they thought the only way to get the real story of the Hanso Foundation out was to get peoples attention by making the incident into a tv show. They decided for dramatic effect to air the show on the night that the plane was to go down.

Once they had gotten people interested in the evil machinations of the Hanso Foundation through the television show, they could recruit some of the fans to seek out more clues about the Foundation, uncover their plots, locate and free Alvar Hanso, FREE JOOP and live happily ever after, gaining some profits from sponsors along the way.

Its a thought, anyway. Excuse me while I go see my shrink.

I think I need one too.



I can buy this. We could look at this coincidence as a clue, sort of. That is, ABC heard of plans to down a plane and created a show doubting all along that any such crash would actually take place. When it happened, even the producers of the show were practically in disbelief because it came true. Now I'm back in the game.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:22 pm
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SpiralBoundBook
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Jenna wrote:
If they make 'Lost' in-game, that's gonna mess everything up for places like the UK and Australia who haven't seen all the episodes, and that's seriously not fair.

*refrains from angry rant directed at abc*
What if this is much simpler than we think?

Keeping in mind that often the speaker is trying to address the more mainstream audience, composed of many people who are not familiar with ARGs and don't even know that what is going on with lost IS an ARG, maybe they are just affirming something that many of us have assumed all along- that what we learn from TLE is applicable to the show.

Anger towards ABC and the PMs is justified if they expect us to take knowledge from the second season and use it to solve TLE, but what if they are just reaffirming the connection to the show in order to say that the information should flow the other way? That anything we learn from TLE will heighten our understanding of puzzles revealed in LOST? Those of us who have seen the entire second season see connections blooming all the time, but they are all in this direction- something in the game helps to highlight something in the show.

This is coming from comments of many of my friends, who keep saying, oh, that LOST game seems useless, they keep saying it's not connected to the show, so who cares? They take ABC's constant assurances that "you don't need to watch LOST to enjoy the game" to mean that the game is not for real, hard-core fans who want answers. Which I beleive is not true, and I think the speaker is trying to dissuade these folks.

Edited to add reference quote

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Pretty much, the game can be linked to elements of the show, but the show is not directly linked to the game.

Either way, it doesn't bother me, I just find it's something else interesting to do.

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ABC says you don't have to watch LOST to play the game, which is true. It's also true that you can play from the UK and Austrailia, even though you will be a few episodes behind the people in the US.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious that there are clues in the tv show that can help people understand what's going on in the game and clues in the game that can help people understand what's going on in the TV show, but none of these clues are critical to either enjoying the show or playing the game. I don't think it's quite fair that the people in the UK and Australia are several episodes behind us in the US, because it makes it harder for all of us to discuss the game vs. show cross-over clues. However, won't everyone be caught up to the season 2 finale by September? Also, there may be times when the game masters give clues to the people in the UK and Australia that we in the US dont get, just to help keep the playing field more even. For instance, the Ninja gave out copies of Bad Twin that had some sections highlighted as clues in the game.

We players will continue to share information on these boards to help everyone play the game as well as they can. It's just up to the individual players to decide how much they want to know from spoiler posts.

- Wulfgirl

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Gus Raja
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Wulfgirl wrote:
...the Ninja gave out copies of Bad Twin that had some sections highlighted as clues in the game.


Have these clues been revealed?

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Gus Raja wrote:
Have these clues been revealed?

Yes, there is a webpage I've seen which has every page photographed which had passages marked or writing on it. (I'll have to track that URL down now, I suppose.)

And how about that? I found the link right here in a thread called [EVENT] Lost Ninja (Australian Channel 7 blog).

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catherwood-offline wrote:
Gus Raja wrote:
Have these clues been revealed?

Yes, there is a webpage I've seen which has every page photographed which had passages marked or writing on it. (I'll have to track that URL down now, I suppose.)

And how about that? I found the link right here in a thread called [EVENT] Lost Ninja (Australian Channel 7 blog).



Thanks. Most of the stuff doesn't look like anything new, but the last two clues highlighted in green have me wondering...

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Zander's in Austrailia

According to one poster this is a reference to "Alexander widmore. missing brother of Cliff Widmore, 'an adult scion to the vast Widmore fortune.' (from the blurb on the inside leaf of the book's jacket)"

and...

Her nameplate said CINDY.

Apparently Cindy was the name of one of the flight attentendents on Oceanic 815 who was also his Gary's love interest whom he dedicated the book to.


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Season 2 Spoiler:

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Cindy was also the flight attendant in the tailies' group who was taken on the way to the Losties, if I'm not mistaken

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