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[SPEC] First mention of Oceanic Flight 815?
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matt_the_pale
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[SPEC] First mention of Oceanic Flight 815?

I searched around for it but couldn't find it, so I'm posting my query here. Does anyone here with a very good memory or with access to season 1 of "Lost" know exactly where in which episode that we are told that the characters of "Lost" were on Oceanic Flight 815? Thanks for your help!

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Hank Scorpio
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Its mentioned n the first episode, where in the first episode im not sure.

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So far, i see this as an Off-Topic discussion about the television show. Please explain how this is spec about TLE game, or i shall have to move this to the META section.

(and i just might dig out my DVD if you really really need to know, but my money is on the pilot's distress call.)

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catherwood wrote:
So far, i see this as an Off-Topic discussion about the television show. Please explain how this is spec about TLE game, or i shall have to move this to the META section.

(and i just might dig out my DVD if you really really need to know, but my money is on the pilot's distress call.)

It's speculation and related to the game because Flight 815 really did crash, and I was just wondering how the producers of "Lost" would know months in advance about Flight 815.

It relates to the game because other than someone telling the producers ahead of time, there is still no logical explanation for the television show airing on the same date that Flight 815 went down (9/22/04).

I thought perhaps if the television show "Lost" hadn't mentioned Flight 815 until a later episode, then perhaps it could be explained as the writers merely working in what really happened (Flight 815 going down) into the show. However, this can't be the case if they did indeed mention it in the pilot episode.

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catherwood wrote:
...i just might dig out my DVD if you really really need to know, but my money is on the pilot's distress call.



He does bring up a valid point. Perhaps you should dig out the original episode.

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I was so hoping someone else would volunteer :)
or have the transcripts :)
but I watched the first 3 hours straight thru, no fast-forwarding,
and no, there was no mention of the flight number.

I think I'll do a search now for when the pilot reappears in a flashback. That would be much easier. (Although hour four is "Walkabout", a very fine episode.)

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catherwood wrote:
but I watched the first 3 hours straight thru, no fast-forwarding,
and no, there was no mention of the flight number.

Really?! Great!

If this holds true for a couple more episodes, then it wouldn't be necessary to attribute the starting date to something complicated... perhaps I should clarify what I mean.

As it stands, we have a continuity error within the ARG: the show "Lost," which exists in the ARG, began airing in the U.S. on the same date that Flight 815 supposedly crashed -- 9/22/04.

At the moment, this continuity error is best explained away (I believe) by claiming that Persephone knew ahead of time that the Hanso Foundation was going to bring down the plane and that she leaked this information to writers who used it as a Television show. Unlikely, yes, but still plausible.

However, it if turns out that the words "Flight 815" are neither heard nor seen in "Lost" until, say, mid-way through the series, then we have an even simpler solution:

The writers of "Lost," hearing about the tragedy of Flight 815, decided to incorporate that into their story (and/or someone leaked its cause, etc.).

catherwood wrote:
I was so hoping someone else would volunteer Smile
or have the transcripts Smile

Sorry to put you through the trouble. Sad

If my memory serves me correctly, the first time we see or hear about "Flight 815" is when Locke and Boone find the drug-runner's plane. But I could be wrong.

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According to these transcripts, the first reference to Flight 815 was actually in episode 10, "Raised by Another." Boone and Locke find the plane much later in the season.

I quote:

Quote:
MALKIN: It has to be this flight. It can't be any other. They're already scheduled to meet you when you arrive. Flight 815. Flight 815.


(added) though I do wonder if maybe the flight number appeared somewhere earlier and nobody took notice. They did throw the Oceanic tickets around a bunch back then.
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I did try digging thru transcripts and other databases. While episode 1x10 may well be the first spoken occurance, it's hard to know if there was a visual of it in an earlier episode. My instinct says that this is the first time in the episode when the writers force this information into our conscience, but it must have been planted in our subconcious minds sooner. For example, on Sledgeweb's lostcubit investigations, he lists the flight number as having appeared in episode 1x01. I just haven't found any explanation for this.
http://lost.cubit.net/numbers.php
Under '815' he also lists it as the Number of safety deposit box in bank that Kate steals from bank (1x09) -- logically, we would not have been as surprised by this if we didn't already know the flight number by this episode. Right? So somehow we must have picked up the significance of '815' before episode 1x09.
(later edit)
Well, it pays to double-check all facts. Sledgeweb got that data point wrong, because Kate robs a bank in "Whatever The Case May Be" which was episode 1x12. So maybe Episode 10 - Raised by Another is our best anchor point for now.

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Hank Scorpio
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Im pretty sure whether the flight was mentioned in the show or not the promos mentioned it at the beginning of the season. I know I was aware of the flight number when the season started no matter when it was mentioned. I would also like to point out the date of the crash shouldnt have been a surprise because the original lost teaser website had that date. The flight was scheduled to leave sydney at 2:55pm Sept 22. http://www.oceanic-airlines.com/ The Oceanic Air site was created in March 2005 according the whois and went live before the oceanicflight815 website. I know those sites are not in game but the information has been out there.

Now the time of the departure fits in with the shows start time. If the pilot aired at 8pm on the night of the crash that puts them 5 hours east of Austrailia if they took off at 3pm and the pilot opens with the plane crashing. Timeline wise (not adjusting for timezones) it makes sense, they would be halfway between Australia and Hawaii.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Now the time of the departure fits in with the shows start time. If the pilot aired at 8pm on the night of the crash that puts them 5 hours east of Austrailia if they took off at 3pm and the pilot opens with the plane crashing. Timeline wise (not adjusting for timezones) it makes sense, they would be halfway between Australia and Hawaii.



I keep wondering where the LOST island is as well. If you listened carefully during the season finale...

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Desmond mentioned that he thought they were a little ways west of Fiji, but explained that after weeks on his boat it's like there's literally nothing else out there. Then you had the ending with those Portugese guys searching for Desmond in blizzard-like conditions as though they were near the Antarctica when the apparent EMP went off.

It's really confusing, but you have to wonder if something effected the compass and directional guidance system of their flight (possible Hanso sabatage?). I noticed that if you take the same distance from Sydney to Fiji, but instead head straight south from Sydney, you end up just northeast of the Magnetic South Pole. I know you have to come up with some really weird theory as to how you'd have tropical conditions on an island near Antartica, but I recall one such theory being backed up by the polar bears on the island. But of course there are no polar bears in Antartica. They're strictly an Arctic animal.


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Gus Raja wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Desmond mentioned that he thought they were a little ways west of Fiji, but explained that after weeks on his boat it's like there's literally nothing else out there. Then you had the ending with those Portugese guys searching for Desmond in blizzard-like conditions as though they were near the Antarctica when the apparent EMP went off.

It's really confusing, but you have to wonder if something effected the compass and directional guidance system of their flight (possible Hanso sabatage?). I noticed that if you take the same distance from Sydney to Fiji, but instead head straight south from Sydney, you end up just northeast of the Magnetic South Pole. I know you have to come up with some really weird theory as to how you'd have tropical conditions on an island near Antartica, but I recall one such theory being backed up by the polar bears on the island. But of course there are no polar bears in Antartica. They're strictly an Arctic animal.


Spoilered, just because I'm dealing with spoilers above.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Pfeh, wasn't the Savage Land in the Antarctic? Marvel Comics doesn't lie. Anyway, I'm still holding that that twisty "Quarantine" door that fell from the sky wasn't the hatch's quarantine sign like I think you're supposed to believe, but the quarantine sign pulled down from the top of the giant underground cavern in the middle of the Antarctic when the unique electro-magnetic properties of the island went completely haywire. Since magnets pull metal in (like the whole hatch), it doesn't really stand to reason that the hatch cover would fly UPWARDS.

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