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[LOCKED] Crack the Code Reality Game SABOTAGE
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castorncage1
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These discs are stumping me, but I did find two interesting things.

The clue about using the root of SABOTAGE to decipher the discs. SABOT being the root (thanks Mystatude), each disc has exactly two of the five letters. Also, each letter appears exactly twice among the discs: SA, SO, AB, BT, and OT.

As for the numbered discs, you all probably know this, but just in case, of the 6 numbers, each disc has 1-5 (although in different orders). The sixth number of each disc is either 6, 7, 8, 9, or 0 (10?).

We still need to figure out what exactly this means: "When finished, use the rings AND these discs sent over from Mission Intelligence to decipher the code below." What are the rings because it seems they are not the same as the discs.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:54 pm
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catherwood
I Have 100 Cats and Smell of Wee

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redoing the keyboard charts

man, where do these mysterious strangers come from, with their insights?

OK, i'm redoing my spreadsheet, to confirm this new scheme works. Maybe then we can move on to the code wheels...

Math fascinates me. Here is the keyboard chart redone using castorncage's suggestion -- how funny that KNIGHT turned out to be the same coded pairs. In fact, the entire list is almost identical to what we were using before (only the P and the L are slightly different)! The columns indicate the two top-row keys you come down from, and the - key is valid for this method.

letter LEFT RIGHT code
Code:
P   0   -   0-
Q   1   2   12
A   1   3   13
Z   1   4   14
W   2   3   23
S   2   4   24
X   2   5   25
E   3   4   34
D   3   5   35
C   3   6   36
R   4   5   45
F   4   6   46
V   4   7   47
T   5   6   56
G   5   7   57
B   5   8   58
Y   6   7   67
H   6   8   68
N   6   9   69
M   7   0   70
U   7   8   78
J   7   9   79
K   8   0   80
I   8   9   89
O   9   0   90
L   9   -   9-

So, we still get
K=80
N=69
I=89
G=57
H=68
T=56
and
S=24
but why does KNIGHT = 9 (=L?)

And how does TminusK = seven? I tried going diagonally backwards up from K and T to see where they intersect, and I suppose we could say this:
Diagonally up-right from T is the 6, and diagonally up-left from the K is the 8, and between the two is the 7 key.
SplusT = eleven? there is no 11 key ;)

Additionally, I would say L="9-" or at least ="9 " and not " 9" in that next page's code; it matters whether you are coming down at the proper angle from the key to hit the correct letter.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:11 pm
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Torrey Musicant
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well... my take on the problem KNIGHT = 9 is

80=K than 8-0 for this problem = 0, in multip. 8 x 0 = 0
69=N 6-9=3
89=I 8-9=1
57=g 5-7=2
68=h 6-8=2
56=t 5-6=1

total=9

but than I always asumed that T=9 K=2 S=2
because if you place the numbered disc with the 9 under the T on the X ring the number 2 sits under K

but I have been messing with the cipher discs to long and have not found anything as of yet.
But I did notice, with the discs in reverse alpha. order Z, Y, X, W and V
BROWN spells out.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:24 pm
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catherwood
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Torrey Musicant wrote:
... if you place the numbered disc with the 9 under the T on the X ring the number 2 sits under K.

Was there some reasoning for choosing to align those rings? Why not use the 854213 ring with the TQXFKO, and then T=8 and K=1 and T-K=7 again?

And what about S+K=11? There is no single letter wheel with both S and K, so that method isn't how to solve the puzzle, and thus puts into question using T from that wheel and not the TNIBCV wheel. And if you've just made K=2 and T=9, why make S=9 also? (Your post said S=2, but then the math doesn't work.)

Ok, reading myself while i typed that, I had a thought. I've been trying to place every one of the five number discs inside a fixed assignment to the five letter rings. Are we only supposed to use the 935124 disc for this step, instead, on every letter ring? That would mean that the hint is not an equation at all (which would be frustrating).

/me runs out of drawing boards to return to

Later, I realized that I had confused SplusK with SplusT, the latter being the clue and the former being my fevered brain blip. Sorry!

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:13 pm
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castorncage1
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Sorry cath, no mystery here. I'm just a 21 year old college student/reality junky. When I heard about the show I googled for a sabotage forum and this was the only one I could find.

Well, to business...this just in, another piece of the puzzle from the Leak. Apparently he's started his own myspace group now.

For a perspective, we've gotten two of the pieces from meticulously working clues, but THREE of the images from simply logging into myspace.



PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:04 pm
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Gupfee
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castorncage1 wrote:
Hey everyone, been having trouble registering here, but I've been following this thread for awhile.


If you can contact me or any other site admin (SpaceBass, jamesi, ScrappyDoo, Bill) we can help you with your registration issues. Also, if you continue to post as guest, can you stick with one nickname so people don't get confused?

Thanks
Gupfee
Admin

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:06 pm
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catherwood
I Have 100 Cats and Smell of Wee

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castorncage1 wrote:
...this just in, another piece of the puzzle from the Leak. Apparently he's started his own myspace group now.

Is there a URL which outsiders can link to? All i have is the Lee Leak main page and I do NOT want to join myspace if i don't have to. Thanks. (Plus, I would like to see how the clue is presented, captioned, etc., within context on the page, and whether it has a bp#number as the other blue pieces have had.)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:16 pm
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Torrey Musicant
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all I was saying with T=9 K=2 S=2 is that T-K=7 and S+T=11
for the URL www.realSabotage.com/tmunusk/splust.php

as for the current blueprint,

If you use the one above as the first of 4 in the top left corner.
than, return back to page 3 of this forum you will find the second. use as the bottom left corner than on page 4 you find the other two the first one is from the video clip and prints out smaller, but it fits in bottom right and the last in the top right. to create a whole picture.

I noticed a site when I was looking for ATGC that our DNA was defined by hyrogliphs that resemble the tips on the blueprint figures. with the current blueprint stating NAME PIECE and CELL I was thinking maybe it had something to do with it but I can not re-find the site.
If you could help I would appreciate it.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:17 pm
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Justcookin
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sabotage cracking the code

I've been watching this thread and trying to solve along with you all. I must say that you guys are great and it's been like some of you are inside my head.

I've been waiting for an email to register for a while now (experiencing some of cathorncages issues and can't seem to contact an administrator without being registered arghhh!

I am rolling those dang disks and hope to come up with something.

As I am sure most have figured out, as far as the tminusk thing. On the myspace account with the picture of the bird/vulture the k is missing in the text ;

updated: but why iS iT still loo ing at me?

I assume that is the reason that KNIGHT = 9, maybe it is telling us to disregard the K and why is the S and T in uppercase? hmmm...
am cooking special dinner for hubby but will get back to solving soon.

Happy Daddy's Day to all Dads reading

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catherwood
I Have 100 Cats and Smell of Wee

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Torrey Musicant wrote:
all I was saying with T=9 K=2 S=2 is that T-K=7 and S+T=11 for the URL www.realSabotage.com/tmunusk/splust.php

yes, you can shoot me now. I was thinking it was SplusK not SplusT. I've been staring at this for too long.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:28 pm
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Ehsan
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This seems to me a little better than the last effort, but still not perfect:

"this is not a test of whatever youT thin(K) itS is"

an added S and an added T asking us to look at those letters?

the proper sentence

ThiS iS noT a TeST for whaTever you Think iT iS

T count = 7
S count = 4
K count = 0 (because we are asked to ignore it)

T-K = seven , S+T=eleven

of course it would've been perfect except that in the greek code there is the additional T and S, making the count 8 and 5... did they just add them to make us look for them? The url path made that clear already... gah

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:32 pm
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Torrey Musicant
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well I found the page for the DNA glyph that I was searching for. It doesn't help use with the blueprint but might be relativein the direction we need to go for blueprints, this is the page
http://www.blueprint.org/products/ontoglyphs/onto_binding.html

That is a very amazing discovery, Ehsan!

Now, what about the three other fonts that translate to "YOUR TEXT HERE"

and I also noticed in the 4th picture on his myspace page there is a RED SEVEN on the briefcase. I don't know if this is a different clue or if it is the seven we have been looking for in the T-K S+T clue.

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catherwood
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partial combination of blue pieces

just pasting together what we have so far. Of the 8 pieces total, two combine into the word/number paired list posted earlier in text, and the other 4 that we have look like below, with only 2 more to be found.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:35 pm
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Torrey Musicant
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These are all of the links that I know of thus far, so we don't have to back track as much.

Sabotage home page links

http://www.realsabotage.com/index.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/thegame/about.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/thegame/rules.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/thegame/news.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/castingcall.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/agentstats/teams.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/agentstats/rankings.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/agentstats/exposed.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/agentstats/host.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/intel/assignments.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/intel/missions.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/intel/cases.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/contest.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/faq.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/contact.php

Clue links

http://www.realsabotage.com/intel/clues.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/full/bp428.jpg
http://www.realsabotage.com/knight/spencer.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/seven/eleven.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/deoxyribonucleic/acid.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/maritime/flag.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/print/blue.php
http://www.realsabotage.com/images/

Myspace and Video links

http://www.myspace.com/leeleak
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Crack+The+Code.+SABOTAGE

As for the YOU TUBE page the user's name is COMMANDFOX98
I have not been able to find any more links for this user.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:59 pm
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Mystatude
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This could be big guys: I think that I have the cipher disks figured...atleast what belongs where.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

For all intents and purposes, look at the picture of the cipher rings and disks. Starting at the left and going down, think of those three disks in succession as i, ii, and iii. On the right side, think of those two disks in sucession from top to bottom as iv, and v. Using the idea that SABOT is the key to deciphering the disks, there are only two ways that SABOT could be made with the rings, where one letter is on each disk.

Assume the following: The following disks i>v have the following letters of SABOT (the root of SABOTAGE and saboteur) as their primary letter:
i. is T
ii. is B
iii. is O
iv. is S
and v. is A

Now, assume the letters S, A, B, O, and T have the following values in those rings.
S=0
A=9
B=8
O=7
and T=6
(I chose this way because SABOT is the key and the definitive key for the smaller rings would be the numbers that appear only once).


Second part of my revelation:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Given the previously stated corollary, the rings containing letters would correlate to the numeric values alongside.

i.B 5 ii.Z 2 iii.F 1 iv.O 4 v.R 5
C 1 M 1 K 2 D 3 Y 1
V 2 A 3 O 7 W 1 S 2
T 6 B 8 T 4 S 0 L 4
N 3 H 5 Q 5 P 5 A 9
I 4 U 4 X 3 J 2 G 3

Now, let's say that the code containing the asterisks in Clue 2 is like a telephone code....each number representing a few different letters. The following numbers would correspond to the letters after it

1 | C F M W Y
2 | J K S V Z
3 | A D G X N
4 | I L O U T
5 | B H P Q R
6 | T
7 | O
8 | B
9 | A
0 | S


The following is the second "Code" given in Clue 2
9*131344*53 5*131344*4*3 4*131344335

Ok, so I am beat from this coding. Ive been staring at it for the better part of the day while at the beach and in bed. Im going to continue and see what I can do with these numbers. I just have a feeling that this will lead us on the right track, given A=3 and 9 and I=4...3 of the numbers that stand "alone", if that code is supposed to have the spaces between the 3 sets.

Another idea that I have. Clue two notes that they are "rings" and "disks", not wheels. Ergo, they are not supposed to move. Just a thought. If this is the correct solution of the placement of the disks...then it is just a matter of solving.

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