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[LOCKED] Bad Twin: Book Discussion Thread
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Misroi
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 		Bad Twin: Book Discussion Thread
The other Bad Twin thread is focusing on the links that www.garyprout.net can provide us. This thread is for the actual text of the book, and any clues that might arise from it.

I'm not terribly far in the book yet, but there have been some interesting things, not the least of which is that the Hanso Foundation has already been referenced as having an office on Floor 42 of the Widmore Building.

Also, Widmore Co. (I think that's the name, IIRC, I don't have my book in front of me) is said to be entering into a partnership with a corporation in South Korea, Paik Heavy Industries. As mentioned previously, that's Sun's dad's company. Old man Paik is described as a hardass, someone who'd chew up and spit out the person sent to head the partnership.

There's also a mission statement listed in the book when Paul Artisan accidentally enters the Hanso Foundation's office. I'll post that tomorrow, and see how it compares to the mission statement on www.thehansofoundation.org.

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 		good call on the thread. It piqued my interest seeing a podCast - full audiobook of Bad Twin on iTunes for $18.95. If anyone gets this (or the book), there might be some interesting Lost ARG Lore we can pull info from.

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 		I suspect it has a big ending... may consider buying it soon Smile

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Actually, the book is based around a rich guy searching for his twins right? Maybe Alvin Hanso?
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 		Close. It's about one twin looking for the other. The bad twin. They're mirror twins, one being the complete physical mirror of the other. The good twin is right handed, the bad twin is left handed. This also carries over into his personality. The good twin does everything his father expects of him, while the bad one has gone off and wasted his money on beer and fast women (though, I'm sure if you ask him, he'd say this money was hardly wasted).

Alvar Honso is not mentioned yet, but the Widmores have apparently done partnerships with Honso. The Widmore offices are five floors above the Honso floor in the Widmore building. There is definitely some sort of correlation between the two, just not sure what it is just yet.

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 		Maybe I'm trouted in the other thread, but...

Anyone notice that Troup's love interest (according to the foreword) was a flight attendant by the name of Cindy?

Cindy was (season two spoiler)
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the flight attendant taken by the Others from the Tail Section.


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 		OK, I finished Bad Twin about an hour ago, and even managed to bring my copy of it with me to my computer, so barring any weird computer problems, I'll finally have some analysis of the book's potential clues.

First off, I will be posting material from the book. I don't like breaking copyright laws, but for this kind of analysis, I really don't see many ways around it. Besides, it's not like I'm posting the entirety of the book on KaZaa, so I don't think there should be any problems with it legally. I'll be trying to avoid major spoilers for the book, but certain revelations will be unavoidable. If you don't want to know about something, don't read! You have been warned.

Alright, so I promised I'd post a comparison between the mission statements in the book versus the one www.thehansofoundation.org has on its website. Here's the two, side-by-side.

The book:
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The Hanso Foundation stands at the vanguard of social and scientific research for the advancement of the human race. For forty years, the foundation has offered grants to worthy experiments designed to further the evolution of the human race and provide technological solutions to the most pressing problems of our time. The Hanso Foundation: a commitment to encouraging excellence in science and technology and furthering the cause of human development.


The website:
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The Hanso Foundation stands at the vanguard of social and scientific research for the advancement of the human race.

For forty years, The Foundation has offered grants to worthy experiments seeking to promote world peace through improved health, prevention, vitality and longevity.

The Hanso Foundation. Reaching out to a better tomorrow.


Not too much difference. The website seems to be a more concise version of the book's mission statement. And the book's material is two years old, so THF could have changed their mission statement slightly in the intervening years.

Other mentions of THF:

Chapter 5 has a mention when Paul is Googling (and I love it when companies become verbs) the Widmore Corporation. Turns out they have had joint ventures with The Hanso Foundation.

The most interesting mention I find is in Chapter 23 (!), when Cliff Widmore, the good twin that hired Paul, and Arthur Widmore, Cliff and Zander's father, are leaving a board meeting, when they have this conversation:

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"You ask me," Arthur Widmore was saying, "the board's getting too damn democratic. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone's full of advice."
"Dad, that's why we have a board."
"Then why do we have a chairman?" the father countered. "I'll tell you why. Because, at the end of the day, someone has to be in charge. This dirty word, heirarchy. What's wrong with it? Someone has to be accountable, and you can't ask someone to be accountable while denying him the right to do things as he sees fit. The Old Laws, in their wisdom, recognized that."
"Dad, those laws might have worked in feudal Scotland -"
"Damn right, they worked! And that new fellow from Hanso - Mudworm or whatever his name is -"
"Mittelwerk," his son corrected him.
"Whatever. I don't trust him. I think he's sneaky. I much preferred having Alvar on the board. Alvar is a gentleman."
"Really?" said Cliff. "What makes him a gentleman? The fact that you made a ton of money together? I think Mittelwerk's a gentleman. He's got ideas, ambition -"
"Everything but morals," the old man interrupted. "Everything but a conscience."
"And who's Alvar?" said Cliff. "Jiminy Cricket? ... But look, we have a visitor."


Doesn't sound as though either of them should be trusted too far. The last chapter has more on Mittelwerk and Cliff's dealings, but they just expound upon this conversation and place them in context. Needless to say, Mittelwerk is made out to be a bad guy.

That's the majority of Hanso references. One other important thing to note is that Troup goes to some length talking about purgatory. Everything from Dante's Purgatorio to a long discussion about what if this world is purgatory? Not too surprising, especially since the author's name anagrams to "purgatory." Wish I could claim credit for figuring that on my own, but I found it under a book review elsewhere on the Web.

Anything anyone's curious about?

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 		Thanks for the spoiler tag... I completely forgot about that, as I was at work and trying to pump out messages ASAP. Smile
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 		If you're like me and dirt cheap, and you're too lazy to download iTunes to get that free sample, AND you're too busy to "read", the magic of the Interweb has saved us both.

Click Here for the Full First Chapter, in Audio Form!
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 		Is this suggesting that Alvar is missing, and a new guy, not entirely trustworthy, is in his place?

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 		The book alone doesn't; only that Alvar is no longer with the Foundation. Taken alone, it could be simply that the Foundation's board voted to remove him, or he stepped down, or something.

Coupled with choice 2 from this selection, it certainly makes one think something is rotten in the state of Denmark.[/url]

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 		what about the ship captain who Troup claims in his interview to have been the spark of inspiration for Bad Twin? what is his 'fictional' (or should that be...fictional-fictional?) equivalent like? is there any mention of him trafficking organs?

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 		Nope, no mention of illegal organ harvesting. Though the contact in Havana is

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a man named Chavez, and is head of Cuba's largest medical foundation.


There's two captains that could have been based off Troup's "real life" captain, but my guess is that it's Crunch (no, really, he's Captain Crunch). He knows how to work the system, and the most illegal stuff he seems to be dealing in is marijuana and Cuban cigars. The other captain just points out Crunch to Paul.

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 		I read the book this weekend. I think one of the main points is that
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the "bad" twin is really not so bad.Could it be possible that the Others are not so bad and that it is really the survivors who are screwing up an experiment?




It also got me thinking about all of the references to purgatory in the book, especially the idea the Purgatory is on Earth and that in Purgatory one is always living on the knife's edge, able to fall on either side, but that the final determination is decided by choosing good over evil at every juncture.

One possibility that I thought of is that all of the Oceanic passengers died in the crash, most went directly to Heaven or Hell and a few are still in Purgatory (on the island) actively choosing between Good and Evil.

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Faygelah wrote:
One possibility that I thought of is that all of the Oceanic passengers died in the crash, most went directly to Heaven or Hell and a few are still in Purgatory (on the island) actively choosing between Good and Evil.


And once again, this theory was flat out and definitely denied by the executives of the show multiple times... Smile

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 		I understand the idea was denied. THe fact that something is denied doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. By the same token, OJ denied killing his ex-wife and Tom DeLay denied doing anything unethical and Bush denied he ever said we were fighting a war in Iraq because of WMD. Smile

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