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[UPDATE] Anna Heath - 20 June 2006
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BBuck
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Leaving aside whether Anna still genuinely feels for Henrik, or whether it's guilt, let's think about what info we want from him, and when. I don't think Anna is going to be able to say at lunch on Friday "My problem is I don't know what a Reynolds Ionizer does: help?"

As I see it, the first choice is whether to tell Henrik everything, and try to co-opt him into the little group of heroes. This is is risky: he might be 3P, or he might report it to Sente/others.

But one way to go about it, and to explain why Anna has got in touch now after so many years, might be this (in brief; this isn't Jackie Collins):

"Henrik, thanks for seeing me. I've been thinking a lot recently about my life. I want to correct mistakes I've made while I still can, and to apologise for treating people badly while I still have the chance. I'm truly sorry about how I ended things. You deserved so much better. I really hope you can forgive me while I am still alive. Oh, and did I mention that I might die soon? Maybe not. But if you want to take a hint, then..."

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BBuck wrote:

But one way to go about it, and to explain why Anna has got in touch now after so many years, might be this (in brief; this isn't Jackie Collins):

"Henrik, thanks for seeing me. I've been thinking a lot recently about my life. I want to correct mistakes I've made while I still can, and to apologise for treating people badly while I still have the chance. I'm truly sorry about how I ended things. You deserved so much better. I really hope you can forgive me while I am still alive. Oh, and did I mention that I might die soon? Maybe not. But if you want to take a hint, then..."


Maybe not the dying bit - I don't think someone has to be near death before they realise they should perhaps make amends for previous mistakes. Could happen as easily from reading a particularly moving book, or some such. Sounds good to me otherwise, though. Smile

As for the morality? Okay, between the hypocrisy and the flat-out using, it's not great. On the other hand, we've had people doing things just as bad, and for that matter done it ourselves (flooding the police hotline, anyone?) We abused Tippy's sense of betrayal over the Hesh thing to get his password, which is admittedly on a smaller scale. Unfortunately, one of our best weapons in the game would be the relationships between the Perplexians. On the assumption that she's not going to show up on Friday and actually seduce him, this isn't really that low as compared to other things that have happened.

Just my two cents, though. ^^;

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Just because you're a devil-woman, Duckie dearest, doesn't mean Anna has to be. Laughing

Besides, I'm sure her 'wiles' will work their magic by simply having her be their. Henrik genuinely wants to do something for Anna; he wants to help. We already have that; that's in the bag. What we've yet to get is something Anna could need help with would:

1. involve the Reynolds Ionizer or open up avenues of information to us
2. be something not wanted public/something only Henrik can help with
3. be impermanent, disappearing as a dilemma the second it's all over

You all have deeeeevious little stories in your own minds, don't you?
Well, I'll be having none of that!
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Oh let's calm down. Duckie is more or less right. More or less. All we've been doing ever with these people is sending them off to do our bidding. We've nearly gotten Kurt killed several times, and *now* we're going to start looking fFor a moral high road? Bah!
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It seems to me that these lists are missing a factor, which is giving Henrik a motivation to get involved. I mean, he knows she married someone else, doesn't she need to say something that will get him interested, or is he so lame that he has been pining for her for years?

I think there is merit in the suggestion of her being more, rather than less truthful, with a dollop of "I can't tell my husband because of the family, but I know I can trust you" thrown in.

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Scott wrote:
Oh let's calm down. Duckie is more or less right. More or less. All we've been doing ever with these people is sending them off to do our bidding. We've nearly gotten Kurt killed several times, and *now* we're going to start looking fFor a moral high road? Bah!


He's right! We need to try to get Anna killed! Razz

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e_nygma wrote:
I guess the only good thing out of this is knowing getting to know Anna a little better, and that all her "guilt" is basically for show. For her, the motto is "the ends justify the means."


Ouch. I think you're all being too hard on her. *All* our PXC chums have done things which are dodgy legally or morally in order to get the information we and they need. Needs must where the devil drives. The 3P don't fight fair, and so we have to get our hands a little dirty too. Plus they outnumber and outgun us, and we have to make best use of our resources. The poor woman's made it clear she hates doing this, but she is our best lead to Henrik. And let's not forget this wasn't just her idea - she, Kurt and Violet all agreed on this plan of campaign together at Violet's 'conclave'.

I wonder whether anyone would feel differently if it was a man buttering up an ex-girlfriend - that happens all the time in film and tv presented with a jocular 'isn't he a stud' and 'noone gets hurt' feel. One man's manipulation is another man's social engineering. Just because she's female doesn't make her a femme fatale.

Plus, I can't believe people are more upset about this than, say, the time we got all those people hurt phoning in crank calls to the police. We really can't talk when it comes to the end justifying the means. Since the start of this our actions have resulted in at least one person being sacked, several being hurt, and a fair few being killed, and we're quite happy to steam in and badger emotionally vulnerable people to tell us what they know (Kurt post Miroline, Sylvia Salk).

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So she shows a bit of thigh in order to get some help. What's the big deal?
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And I also don't recall anyone holding a gun to her head and telling her that is the approach to take.

She seems to have decided that's the best route on her own.
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C'mon Sara, you can't expect fragile, emotional women to make the right decision on their own.

It's a similar mindset which kicks out the ballsy sexually forward women in Big Brother first while keeping men who express similar characteristics in. I think 'mild misogyny' is the phrase you and psyche are trying to aviod.
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European Chris wrote:
So she shows a bit of thigh in order to get some help. What's the big deal?


I'm just worried about the example it sets for the children, like sweet, innocent, impressionable Oliver Keers, aged 13. Though from previous posts he shows a remarkable, even disturbing "adultness" in matters of this sort - here and here.


I still don't see why we can't ask our new chum Caine to go. Can't he just tell Henrik that Kiteway sent him on CRT (or Academy if we don't want to mention CRT) business and I'm sure he'd be helpful. Only if that fails should we resort to something more devious and immoral.

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European Chris wrote:
I think 'mild misogyny' is the phrase you and psyche are trying to aviod.

You're a great bloke, you know that?

I do think there is a tendency, especially in Britain, to assign more sinister motives to women than to men - by both genders.

Leaving the gender politics aside, while I don't personally like any kind of manipulation, I do think people cry 'manipulation' too quickly - people are kind of paranoid about it. To continue the Big Brother example, you can see this in the way the housemates and viewers are so quick to accuse people of 'playing a game' - such a vague, paranoid, non-specific accusation, it doesn't actually *mean* anything, but it writes someone off completely. It generally says a lot more about the accuser's fear of being taken for a ride than about the accusee's behaviour.

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badbarry wrote:
I still don't see why we can't ask our new chum Caine to go.

Am I right in thinking he doesn't yet know the full story? Perhaps sending Caine would require telling him more than Violet et al currently want him to know.

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European Chris wrote:
It's a similar mindset which kicks out the ballsy sexually forward women in Big Brother first while keeping men who express similar characteristics in. I think 'mild misogyny' is the phrase you and psyche are trying to aviod.


Mild? So, we're okay with lying, stealing, breaking-and-entering, making false police reports, computer-hacking and killing ex-girlfriends (yes I know it was self-defence but she's still dead). Anna, on the other hand, puts on some perfume to make her ex a little nostalgic so that he's more likely to open up to her and suddenly some of the boys are foaming at the mouth in their haste to denounce her as a devious, immoral devil-woman. Double standards? or just bitterness? Either way I find it pretty disturbing.

Oh and, given that Anna has a personal history with Henrik and has already volunteered and made an arrangement to meet him, why would we send Caine?
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Oliver's 16 coming on 13.

Yes, what example does it set to children when women start wearing perfume. Sluts, the lot of them.

But on a practical level, Caine is a usually pissed demi-rock-god where as Henrick is a sober security director. I'm guessing there's not going to be much of a personal connection compared to someone who Henrick once did the sex with.

Is it immoral to be attractive around someone you once went out with-she's not even flirting with him.
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